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| Facebbok? We are on facebook? I'll have to take a look! I think that's great we have a presence on FB! |
| START RANT: Because unless I'm mistaken, the pageviews and posts that are made there instead of here do nothing to draw traffic to this site and support the causes we support. The OES related posts here form a body of knowledge that is priceless for owners; the non OES "chatter" supports the site and our causes; and having our members "hanging around" here when someone needs help right away is so critical. Having this level of competition from a multibillion dollar corporation for our community's time online is virtually impossible for me to compete against. If anyone can figure out a way that creating a presence for oes.org on fb would increase traffic here, please let me know. Fb is all about trying to figure out how to make Zuckerberg a gazilillonaire, not support sheepdog owners nor sheepdogs in need. All I've seen from fb is fb drawing away posters from this site which lessens (by A LOT) the new topics here that draw visitors and advertising revenue. END RANT |
| Linus Larabie Holderman Warner, the OES that was killed last year in a home burglary had his day in court today. The family had a win, with the guilty party going to jail for 10 years. On Linus' Facebook page they thanked everyone at OES.org for the support, and posted a link to the site. Maybe thats what you saw? Several of us decided to include them in the holiday card mailing list this year.... |
| Ron, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate this place precisely for the reasons you stated: it is a wealth of information about dogs in general, OES in particular. There is no other source of information that is so broad and deep. And then, there is the support and the ability to tap into experts who willingly share their experiences and expertise. I looked around face book a bit and decided it's just not for me. If it's any consolation, I think that fb is loosing some of its base. I know quite a few young adults who use it less and less and mostly just keep it as an message address and to share information with a select group of friends. But a lot are getting more disillusioned with the every changing 'privacy' policies, data mining, not to mention the fact that their parents are showing up doing embarrassing things. If 'the establishment' and old fogies jump on it, you know it's crested and on its way down. I am sure it will be a presence for a long time, but it has a different utility for users than this place. For me, facebook is a pointless time suck with a lot of risks attached. Some friends tried to get me to join and I went through the trouble to set up a profile but honestly, I don't use it. I haven't even told my kids I have a profile because, well, they can just call me and tell me or email me if they want me to know something. |
| What fb does is to expand the periphery of one's life by bringing into your circle of casual contacts people who would never be there (occasional colleagues, distant relatives, classmates from the past) and at the same time it pushes those who would normally be at the edge of your close circle into the periphery. Time not consumed by games is given to the periphery that would be given in direct connection to your friends or other persuits. On the other hand it does act as a central clearinghouse to help find people that you've been searching for. Like a classmates.com on steroids. |
Ron wrote: What fb does is to expand the periphery of one's life by bringing into your circle of casual contacts people who would never be there (occasional colleagues, distant relatives, classmates from the past) and at the same time it pushes those who would normally be at the edge of your close circle into the periphery. Time not consumed by games is given to the periphery that would be given in direct connection to your friends or other persuits. . Yeah: time suck. Make that pointless time suck that messes up your priorities. This place, this has real value. |
I use facebook for family...we love to see daily what each other is doing...very quick and easy. I also have friends that own tibetan terriers around the world...we don't have a forum or a Ron  I love this site because it helps me as discussions about OES behavior and medical issues apply to all dog owners...this is the greatest website for great information...I also think the people here are just so nice! I had OES's for 20 years and still miss having one so I also enjoy seeing pictures of everyones OES...I have to say my tt's have similar personalities to my past OES sweeties...they are just smaller...they require just as much grooming and training...thank you Ron!  |
| I think at the very least having a facebook page everyone joined that linked them to come here .... would generate people to at least come see what it's about, and FB does seem to have the largest population of OES owners. I can't believe how many requests I get regularly from strangers w/OES'. Now I don't have those folks on my friends list, but I know many others do. If those people asked their friends to "LIKE" the page created that invites them to check out oes.org ....many will check it out. Getting one person that wasn't here before to come ...at least generates a new circle, and they can invite their 1 friends, etc... |
Joahaeyo wrote: I think at the very least having a facebook page everyone joined that linked them to come here .... would generate people to at least come see what it's about, and FB does seem to have the largest population of OES owners. I can't believe how many requests I get regularly from strangers w/OES'. Now I don't have those folks on my friends list, but I know many others do. If those people asked their friends to "LIKE" the page created that invites them to check out oes.org ....many will check it out. Getting one person that wasn't here before to come ...at least generates a new circle, and they can invite their 1 friends, etc... Yes i agree  We should all use FB to promote the site and get new sheepie people to at least come and check this site out  |
sixpence wrote: Joahaeyo wrote: I think at the very least having a facebook page everyone joined that linked them to come here .... would generate people to at least come see what it's about, and FB does seem to have the largest population of OES owners. I can't believe how many requests I get regularly from strangers w/OES'. Now I don't have those folks on my friends list, but I know many others do. If those people asked their friends to "LIKE" the page created that invites them to check out oes.org ....many will check it out. Getting one person that wasn't here before to come ...at least generates a new circle, and they can invite their 1 friends, etc... Yes i agree We should all use FB to promote the site and get new sheepie people to at least come and check this site out I completely agree as well. I follow a lot of my favorite websites on Facebook. They post links on their feed and I click them and go to their site. Every single day. I won't argue about opinions regarding what Facebook does or doesn't do. But I will say you can use it to your advantage, or don't use it to your disadvantage. |
| Facebook is going to be as good, or as bad, as you want or allow it to be. I have little patience for online games, so that stuff is useless as far as I'm concerned. All those people that send me invites and trash mail... I often delete them from my profile in time, if the trash doesn't stop. However, with all of my family living in Australia, FB is a great way for us to keep up and communicate, without having to commit an hour to a phone call every so many days. I think FB is purely social, while something like OES.org is a more well-rounded online community. I'd never seek advice for bloat on FB, or a grooming tutorial, or look for dog parks there. But I WOULD brag about how well groomed my dogs look, post photos of our dog park outing, and comment on a vet trip, while doing the same here on OES.org. In that regard, I think the communities overlap. But OES.org is obviously NOT replaceable by FB in any way whatsoever! |
| ron, i think you'll find in time it brings more people here. i read other breed forums with a high percentage of facebook people and it increases members of those forums. now, i will go back to work reading the internet as i'm accused of.  |
... I'm on facebook too! 90% of my friends are owners of Old English Sheepdogs and there are very pretty cute Sheepies on it! xx  |
| The best thing about Facebook is being able to post photos without waiting for moderator approval. Any chance of that happening here? |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: The best thing about Facebook is being able to post photos without waiting for moderator approval. Any chance of that happening here? We already have that here. |
| I joined fb to keep an eye on the kids and who they were posting to. I did see that some of the rescues will post on fb if they need help with an oes or success stories. I am not sure if this site is linked so that those who adopted would get a link to the forum for support. I can't remember which rescue but I think it is Texas which is on fb. |
 Oh I started a storm. I love fb I just play scrabble not the other games. I love seeing photos of my friends, and also some of my sheepie friends are there as well......  |
sheepiegail wrote: I joined fb to keep an eye on the kids and who they were posting to. I did see that some of the rescues will post on fb if they need help with an oes or success stories. I am not sure if this site is linked so that those who adopted would get a link to the forum for support. I can't remember which rescue but I think it is Texas which is on fb. OES Rescue Network of the Southeast is on FB as well. We are able to publicize things like our ebay auction fund raisers, presence at the Atlanta Reindog Parade and sheepdog days in the park there! We can also post about dog in trouble or dogs for adoption, as well as Happy Tails of dogs going to furever homes. |
KTB wrote: Oh I started a storm. I love fb I just play scrabble not the other games. I love seeing photos of my friends, and also some of my sheepie friends are there as well...... See, I refuse to start playing Scrabble... I just know that it will be the one game that will get me addicted, and I simply cannot afford the time drain it would be!!! |
| OK OK, I may have been overly harsh and less than open-minded. Darth Snuggle wrote: OES Rescue Network of the Southeast is on FB as well. We are able to publicize things like our ebay auction fund raisers, presence at the Atlanta Reindog Parade and sheepdog days in the park there! We can also post about dog in trouble or dogs for adoption, as well as Happy Tails of dogs going to furever homes. What kind of actual response do you get from fb? Does any money flow from there? Help with rescues? Visits to your site? |
jcc9797 wrote: Maggie McGee IV wrote: The best thing about Facebook is being able to post photos without waiting for moderator approval. Any chance of that happening here? We already have that here. That's true. Photos are instantly available now. Not as slick as fb, but hey, I'm workin' on it. Maybe Time's "Person of the Year" will help us out...? (Does that come across as bitter?)  |
Ron wrote: OK OK, I may have been overly harsh and less than open-minded. Darth Snuggle wrote: OES Rescue Network of the Southeast is on FB as well. We are able to publicize things like our ebay auction fund raisers, presence at the Atlanta Reindog Parade and sheepdog days in the park there! We can also post about dog in trouble or dogs for adoption, as well as Happy Tails of dogs going to furever homes. What kind of actual response do you get from fb? Does any money flow from there? Help with rescues? Visits to your site? There were 2 people that upon seeing on the FB page that we'd posted the auctions, made donations rather than bid on items. So yes, we did see money come in as a result of the FB posting! Is it often or regular? That I don't know. I just had access to the info during the auctions, and know of the 2 donations. |
Ron wrote: jcc9797 wrote: Maggie McGee IV wrote: The best thing about Facebook is being able to post photos without waiting for moderator approval. Any chance of that happening here? We already have that here. That's true. Photos are instantly available now. Not as slick as fb, but hey, I'm workin' on it. Maybe Time's "Person of the Year" will help us out...? The last 3 times I uploaded photos (and each time I uploaded multiples) they were waiting and ready when I finished with the upload. so it was virtually automatic!  |
| Yeah, they are instantly available now but then you need to manually link them in. That's the less-than-slick part. |
| OK, so I have 300+ sheepdog fb acquaintances; let's say I use my personal account as a proxy for an oes.org page for starters. What would I post there? How often before everyone unfriends me? |
Ron wrote: OK, so I have 300+ sheepdog fb acquaintances; let's say I use my personal account as a proxy for an oes.org page for starters. What would I post there? How often before everyone unfriends me? Well if you post your jokes? I give you 24 hours before everyone unfriends you.  |
| Okay...you had me laughing at that last comment. Then again....I love Ron's jokes!!!  |
| I do get a lot of work through facebook, so there is a money flow through there. I also have a link to the OES.org on my sheepie-doodles page. I am doing what I can. |
| So I hung around on facebook for a few days and added 100 friends and posted on only a few pages and photos... And oes.org posting dropped through the floor. I posted about oes.org twice and I don't think I got a single post in oes.org from it. I don't wanna whine anymore, but facebook is not a good thing for our community, just like a Walmart isn't a good thing for a mom and pop clothing store. |
| You know, the trick is to get your community to re-post on THEIR walls. Your experiment was gravely flawed. Look at businesses new outlets and and organizations from all over. Look at their FB walls and you'll see they drive traffic to their sites constantly. |
| They aren't in the forum/community business. Maybe there are somewhere? |
| I propose you post a "cute picture of hte day"; something really silly, or really heart meltingly sweet. Have THAT link back to OES,org People are suckers for that sort of stuff!!! |
Darth Snuggle wrote: I propose you post a "cute picture of hte day"; something really silly, or really heart meltingly sweet. Have THAT link back to OES,org Not a terrible idea! and by that I mean... great idea! One of the "dilemmas" is not to post material on fb that would then compete against oes,org on the search engines. That would be horrible. But I've never allowed the search engines access to our picture forum. Maybe we could put up a puppy of the day or something.... Of course I'm pretty sure all it will do is generate traffic to that page and posts about it on fb How to get people to stick around HERE instead of there is the real problem.Might be worth a try though. I think I need to create an OES.ORG page instead of my personal page and ask people to like/join/whatever that page so it flows to their homepage... right? |
| here's the thing. Lots of the people I know of FB post those LOL Cats from icanhazcheeseburger (or however its spelled). I often look at thier image, and then somehow find myself look at their website for like 20 minutes! What if we had a thread here on OES.org to find the funniest or cutest OES photos. And then we can use them as bait to get people to follow one or two images in FB over here to see lots more? I don't know how all of that works, but it might be the way to go. If someone can make it work, that is. |
| and yes, I think an OES.org page is a very good idea indeed! |
| I have a link to the OES.org on my FB Sheepie-Doodles page...just saying. |
| There should definitely be an oes.org page. I don't know the difference between a normal page & a 'fan page' but I think you can do more technically with a normal profile. The cute pic thing is bound to be a winner, perhaps with a little note to say 'come see this at oes.org -repost!' So that enticed people in & gives everyone permission to re-post it to their Facebook profile so all their friends see it too. |
I am going nuts trying to figure this thing out... it took 8 hours last time to post the my own wall, now I broke that. This is so frustrating to me |
Ron wrote: I am going nuts trying to figure this thing out... it took 8 hours last time to post the my own wall, now I broke that. This is so frustrating to me If it's any consolation facebook does my head in. I can't work it properly, it doesn't make sense to me, hence I don't do much on it. I much prefer the orderliness of the forum, I can keep track of what's happening and it's easy to use. |
Mim wrote: If it's any consolation facebook does my head in. I can't work it properly, it doesn't make sense to me [...] Mee tooo. I much prefer the orderliness of the forum, I can keep track of what's happening and it's easy to use. Imagine trying to *all at once* wrap your head around Facebook enough so that you understand it well enough to write software to use it AND then you had to figure out an extremely poorly documented set of tools to do something that seems (from googling half the night) like a whole lotta people find very difficult to do. They find it difficult to do, then fb made it even more complicated by making identical activities require different approaches depending on who the user is, which is just insane, and they lumped together the same difficult-to-achieve permission role with another completely different circumstance. OK, that sounded like gobbledygook, but it is exactly what I was confronting. Fortunately I had already spent 8 hours back just before Christmas figuring out some of this stuff and I wrote it down. So it was only about 7 hours tonight. So here is what I've accomplished: I've created a single fb fan page for oes.org, and I have the ability to have the forum post status updates to it. Now that I've accomplished that, multiplying it to any arbitrary number of pages is easy. Please follow this link to discuss this viewtopic.php?t=32060 |
Ron wrote: So I hung around on facebook for a few days and added 100 friends and posted on only a few pages and photos... And oes.org posting dropped through the floor. I posted about oes.org twice and I don't think I got a single post in oes.org from it. I don't wanna whine anymore, but facebook is not a good thing for our community, just like a Walmart isn't a good thing for a mom and pop clothing store. Ok I just figured out that you were using your own page in your experiment. That's not going to do much. But, I see you just made and I just found the OES.org fan page and I am the first fan! Now what that does is list OES.org on your fans' info page, so others will see that. Each time someone "likes" the page, it will display in their friends's feeds ("Raquel likes OES.org"). When there is a post on the fan page, the fans can share that and it will show on all of their friends feeds. Now, we just need all of our members here who are on FB to like the page and start sharing the posts. |
| Good idea about making an oes.org FB page - I just "like"d it too! Hopefully this will bring more people here. |
| Here is the page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/oesorg/176547329052594 Be forewarned: Liking this page now might cause you to get some test posts in your newsfeed, and it may not be THE oes.org page that you want to subscribe to. I still don't know how this is gonna shake out. I am going to wait until I have a better idea of where this is heading before I invite all 400 of my fb friends to like it. Thanks for the continued ideas and feedback! |
| Hey Ron, I just read this whole thread about face book. My head is about to explode...I just don't understand technology.  I am on fb but rarely spend time there, I find it to cumbersome to use. I will sign up to like the oes.org page. Thanks for all you do to keep this forum running, I can only imagine it is a lot of work. peg |
| part of my problem with linking myself to FB and oes.org is that I like the more anonymous nature that oes.org affords me. I don't have a bunch of info up on FB, but I do have my full real name and stuff like that, which I don't know if I want all the random OES-lovers in the world to know, you know? I *think* my privacy settings are relatively strict on FB so that's part of why I don't just accept any and all oes.org people into my friends group. |
| Here ya go Ron; FB is a fad and it will go away soon...ish. Rest easy! http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/07/r ... tml?hpt=T2 |
| HA!!!! three of my friends from the comic book industry are "friends" with OES.org on Facebook. That's three people that might not have otherwise visited OES.org on their own. Now how to lure them from the FB page to the OES.org forum...??? |
Darth Snuggle wrote: HA!!!! three of my friends from the comic book industry are "friends" with OES.org on Facebook. That's three people that might not have otherwise visited OES.org on their own. Now how to lure them from the FB page to the OES.org forum...??? That job is done! When posts from the OES.org page show up on their feed, they'll click the link and come here. See, it's a tool. Use it to your advantage, or don't use it to your disadvantage. |
| Yup, jus look at all them posts and photos over there on that page... Is this a fairer test? I'll be perfectly happy to be wrong and really sad if I'm right. How 'bout THAT for self flagellation? |
Ron wrote: Is this a fairer test? Totally.  |
Ron wrote: Yup, jus look at all them posts and photos over there on that page... Is this a fairer test? I'll be perfectly happy to be wrong and really sad if I'm right. How 'bout THAT for self flagellation? I think what important is that the FB page gets NEW people involved, and doesn't lose existent people. Do all the folks that post on OES.org need to be there, and maybe risk their privacy? Not at all. Those people are already on OES.org, and if they don't want to risk losing the privacy they maintain, thats completely understandable. But if 1 person from OES.org send the "Share" link to 100 people on their FB friend lists, and only 10 of them check out OES.org, well thats still 10 new people looking, right? No w multiply that by each OES.org person that does it, and we could be in business! |
| I posted the link on my profile today and will do so periodically. Do you want pictures from us on the page too or are you going to do the picture of the day?? |
| Just remember, people posting on the OES page is not seen in people's feeds. Posts OES puts on their wall are displayed in people's feeds, and can be shared with their friends. It's still great (and important) for us to post on the OES page so that when people do check it out, they'll see what's there and be interested. |
| OK, now that confuses me. So all those posts aren't seen on anyone's feeds? I was wondering why I wasn't getting notifications. I thought for people's personal pages, if A was connected to B when A posted on B's page that everyone connected to A saw that news and everyone connected to B saw that news too? I think I've seen A -> B on my feed? What's the point? I should just shut down people posting (or seeing posts, I'm confused about that, too) on that page?? |
| I feel this is my second home. FB is something different. Thanks Ron |
| when I post something on OES.org's FB page, my post, and the responses, show up on my personal page. And i agree that OES.org is my second home, and FB is something else. It wasn't until I was recommending my FB friends check out OES.org did I realize its importance to me..... I did not invite my mother to join OES.org. I did encourage her to join Facebook and stay in touch with me that way. And she had sheepdogs; I know she'd really like it here. But I love OES.org; I think if my mom was here that I'd lose some privacy, some specialness that I share with you guys. As weird as that sounds.... |
Ron wrote: OK, now that confuses me. So all those posts aren't seen on anyone's feeds? I was wondering why I wasn't getting notifications. I thought for people's personal pages, if A was connected to B when A posted on B's page that everyone connected to A saw that news and everyone connected to B saw that news too? I think I've seen A -> B on my feed? What's the point? I should just shut down people posting (or seeing posts, I'm confused about that, too) on that page?? No, all the posts that others post on the OES "wall" are only displayed there, not on everybody else's walls. Only posts OES creates are displayed on the feeds of the people who "like" the OES page. Now when you post something on that page, then we (the "likers") see that, and can share that on our feeds, which means our friends would see it. You may have already seen this, but in case you haven't there may be some insights that may help in here: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/help/?topic=pages You're right with your A/B analysis on people's PERSONAL pages, but the OES page you created is a not a personal page, it's a fan or group page. So that means people can like the OES page who aren't friends (personal) with you or any of us. No, you should NOT shut down people posting or seeing posts on that page. That's the activity you want people to see if they look up OES! That's working exactly right. |
rdf wrote: Ron wrote: Is this a fairer test? Totally. |
| It seems that my posts on my page do not showing up under "Top News". People are now posting on oes.org's wall creating a place where people go to post their photos and admire other's photos, and ALMOST NOBODY is visiting from fb to oes.org, and nobody is joining as a member of oes.org from fb. Can anyone explain to me how this direct competition is helpful in any way to oes.org? I just don't see it...yet. I will shut that page down if this continues. |
| There are 184 people who "like" the OES.org FB page. When OES.org FB posts something, that post displays on the feeds of those 184 people. I think some of the people posting are confused as you were and trying to post there thinking those posts will also display on the 184 fans' walls. I still don't think that's all bad because driving people to your FB page is good as those who think that is interested will seek out the website. 2 things I would do: 1, I'd share some of those posts and include a little blurb like "see more at http://photos.oes.org/index.php, and share with your friends!" and 2, I'd come up with a little calendar where every couple days I'd post some cute trivia bit about OES, with a link to the main forum, or something like "find out what you need to know about owning an OES here http://www.oes.org/html/get_a_sheepdog.html; or Need tips on grooming your OES? http://www.oes.org/html/sheepdog_grooming.html. See what I mean? It's not magic, it's marketing. PS, do not rely on counting clicks directly from FB as an accurate measure. Many people are not always going to click the link rather than highlight it and paste it in a new browser window. |
| PS, you can add administrators to your FB page to help you along with the manual posts, just like you do here. |
Ron wrote: It seems that my posts on my page do not showing up under "Top News". Top news is the items in your feed with a lot of discussion (comments/likes). Click Most Recent and you'll see your posts. |
| You missed what I said: Posts from oes.org aren't showing up on people's feeds' "Top Posts" you have to go to "Most Recent" with all the trivial stuff. oes.org is unable to share photos posted on it's page, and I am unable to share oes.org's posts to my friends. It looks like oes.org would be able to share Wendy's post on oes.org. I'm not counting clicks from fb as my yardstick, I selected some older topics and watched page views on those topics. I also picked a newer topic and got next to nothing. I understand marketing. I also understand creating a community, and this very much seems counter productive. FB is doing a great job of understanding how to capture people and page views which is the lifeblood of a community... and getting idiots like me to help them by making us think there is a possibility of a return on the investment. The ONLY return on investment is posts, views and members and there haven't been any here, just there and the cost has been the sharing of my assets with fb. Oh, and they're offering to sell me advertising on fb to lure people to like oes.org's fb page for $1.26 per click. Hey, I've packed a week's worth of work into this and I'm not seeing any return. |
rdf wrote: Ron wrote: It seems that my posts on my page do not showing up under "Top News". Top news is the items in your feed with a lot of discussion (comments/likes). Click Most Recent and you'll see your posts. Don't you think that's a problem? How can a page get lots of comments and likes if it's buried? I don't think it works that way, they showed up in top posts before. |
Ron wrote: It looks like oes.org would be able to share Wendy's post on oes.org. oes.org can only share the link in Wendy's post, not the post itself, and as you've mentioned before, her posts does not flow to people's newsfeed. |
Ron wrote: You missed what I said: Posts from oes.org aren't showing up on people's feeds' "Top Posts" you have to go to "Most Recent" with all the trivial stuff. Top News is designed to show you topics of discussion that have been going on since you were last on FB. They're ordered (from what I can tell) based on volume of comments. Every morning when I look at my FB page, it opens to Top News. I scan that if I feel like it and click on Most Recent. I then scroll and see all the posts since I logged off last. It's working correctly. Ron wrote: oes.org is unable to share photos posted on it's page, and I am unable to share oes.org's posts to my friends. It looks like oes.org would be able to share Wendy's post on oes.org. You can't share everything that others post dependent upon THEIR privacy settings. For example, look on your feed (not the OES page) right now. I just shared Wendy's post with the link. So now her friends and my friends all see that post. Quote: I'm not counting clicks from fb as my yardstick, I selected some older topics and watched page views on those topics. I also picked a newer topic and got next to nothing. I understand marketing. I also understand creating a community, and this very much seems counter productive. FB is doing a great job of understanding how to capture people and page views which is the lifeblood of a community... and getting idiots like me to help them by making us think there is a possibility of a return on the investment. The ONLY return on investment is posts, views and members and there haven't been any here, just there and the cost has been the sharing of my assets with fb. Oh, and they're offering to sell me advertising on fb to lure people to like oes.org's fb page for $1.26 per click. Hey, I've packed a week's worth of work into this and I'm not seeing any return. IMO, this is about creating another avenue to have a presence and be seen on the web. SEO's use FB statuses and posts in their algorithms. If it's not worth your time, then don't do it. I never thought for a second it was a way to draw gobs more users to the oes.org website. It's just another tool to reach people. |
| Honestly, I do Facebook to keep up with family and friends that live far away. I have 2 nephews in the Navy, one in Florida and one in Chicago, and a cousin in the Army in Afghanistan. This is the best way for us to chat and share photos. But I rather just come here for my OES stuff. I have "liked" the OES fb page and have gone to it a few times but never really post on it. |
| All that is on my wall from you (for this) is in Most Recent; all that is there is a repost of the link from Wendy's post, not Wendy's post. Wendy's post said: Quote: If you are enjoying the posts on this page, come and join http://www.OES.org and become a member of this community. There are many more OES owners there that don't participate in FB, but they still have a wealth of information to share. Everything about Old English Sheepdogs - Old English Sheepdog - Old English Sheep Dog - Old English. http://www.OES.org Everything about Old English Sheepdog that you ever wanted to know! Busy public Sheepdog Forum, Photos, Rescue Links, Merchandise, Old English Sheep Dogs pictures, Old English Sheep Dog. about an hour ago · LikeUnlike · Comment · Share All that your repost says is: Quote: My goto for OES stuff. Everything about Old English Sheepdogs - Old English Sheepdog - Old English Sheep Dog - Old English. http://www.OES.org Everything about Old English Sheepdog that you ever wanted to know! Busy public Sheepdog Forum, Photos, Rescue Links, Merchandise, Old English Sheep Dogs pictures, Old English Sheep Dog. 9 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · Comment · Share |
| Yes, what you have above is correct. I'm not understanding what you see as a problem, I guess. What are you expecting to see that you don't see? I shared that post, and now all of my friends have it on their walls. If they're interested, they'll click the link and check it out. Another thought - whether or not anybody comes to this site off of that page should be inconsequential. It goes back to the purpose of just having a presence. When someone searches for OES on FB, the page with the most members is displayed first. It's the future searchers we're seeking today. |
| If they search on fb for OES rather than on Google, won't they just hang around on the oes.org page on fb and talk sheepie there? Why would they leave that interesting active familiar place to go to an antiquated oes.org forum format? oes.org is not like Coke or Pepsi, I'm not trying to make a name in the general public's mind. Our "product" is our community's interaction with each other, which is now happening elsewhere. If it happens elsewhere it is not possible for oes.org to monetize it. The idea is to draw people to oes.org, in the end that is the only thing that matters. If that's not the end result, then giving people more places (with the imprimatur of oes.org, no less) to hang around and talk sheepie and post pictures to other sheepie lovers is counterproductive to our community here. I'm trying to fight the fb problem, not enhance fb's information base. The problem is that our members have stopped interacting on oes.org and are now interacting on fb. Given that, what am I missing? |
| Just to ensure there's no misunderstanding, I REALLY appreciate you (and everybody) helping me out here, but especially letting me pick your brain about this. |
| I have to agree with Ron. The FB page isnt going to draw more people to OES.ORG page and I believe that is what he was wanting. A few weeks ago he sent out a thank you saying advertisers had given money which he sent to rescues, (or something like that) please correct me if I am wrong on that. BUT if people stop coming here and just visit the fb page then the SHEEPIES are what is missing out and this is really ALL about THEM. And on top of that, if the fb page is adding more stress to Ron having to run 2 pages now, then I ask do we really need it? I hate to add stress to anybody. just my 2 cents worth. I still rather come here to talk sheepie and its easier to find what info Im looking for. |
| I'm going through a similar problem at work. We've been getting a lot of grumbling about why we don't have a Facebook presence but there's a very simple reason for it: there is absolutely no value in it for us. It's simply redundant information. I don't need to drive anyone to our web page because people would always come to our page first. I'm not selling anything and users can't get anything different or easier on Facebook. If anything, I think a fb page will only confuse users since they also will question what the purpose is. What can they get there that they can't get somewhere else? In our case, nothing. I think it's similar for you because there's nothing you can offer on fb that isn't better on oes.org. If anything, you may only divert users that may otherwise go to oes.org first. You're selling information and discussion and, you're right, you don't want people to stay on fb, you want them here. Honestly, I don't think anything more than a basic fan page that directs people right back to oes.org is necessary. For me, for fan pages, unless they're people I know, they need to offer me something much better than I'd normally get from just going to the site itself. |
| Ron, I stumbled across this forum when I was researching having an OES as a pet. I googled OES and arrived here! If it is new members you are looking for then I think we need to reach out to those folks who adopting/buying sheepies. So if breeders or rescue groups would be kind enough to add our forum website to their literature then it would be a direct way to make contact with people who really need the support of this community. I know when I got my pup I was given a booklet of information & resources, it would have been nice if oes.org was listed. How can we get breeders & rescue groups to add us? You probably have already covered this idea before, just a thought peg |
| I have read through all of the posts here (admittedly, skimming through the more technical aspects of FB) and just don't get what the argument is all about. I use FB and check in there several times a day. I also go to OES.org regularly, not as frequently because the content isn't updated as frequently and is limited (obviously) pretty much to OES. There are several other websites I visit regularly, the frequency depending on the content. I don't see why FB and oes.org are necessarily mutually exclusive or even in competition. Are you worried that FB is siphoning off visitors who support the site? I don't think that has been conclusively proven, at least based on the comments here. FB may want to be all things to all people, but I just don't see that happening any time soon. I only search for people on FB; everything else is still a Google search, including such things are how to train a sheepdog. I do frequently click on links to websites or FB fan pages that my friends post or link to, and think that's where FB can be a benefit. As other people have stated, I think FB is just another tool that could be used to spread the word about oes.org |
| Very well said, Susan. I completely agree. I do understand and share Ron's concern that the forum is not as active as it once was, but I truly believe it's the normal evolution of people, their lives and relationships - and really doesn't have to do with Facebook. People come and go for a variety of reasons. I manage another (non OES) board, and for the past decade it has had wild swings of activity as well. I think it's just natural. |
| I missed this post earlier: ButtersStotch wrote: I'm going through a similar problem at work. We've been getting a lot of grumbling about why we don't have a Facebook presence but there's a very simple reason for it: there is absolutely no value in it for us. It's simply redundant information. I don't need to drive anyone to our web page because people would always come to our page first. I'm not selling anything and users can't get anything different or easier on Facebook. If anything, I think a fb page will only confuse users since they also will question what the purpose is. What can they get there that they can't get somewhere else? In our case, nothing. Differing philosophies. My company's FB page just shares information and does not give people anything extra, per se. It's purpose is Search Engine Optimization and FB posts drive a huge, huge percentage of that. When people do a google search for our product offerings, the more we fill up the search result page instead of someone else the better. Our business is almost entirely web-driven, so utilizing SEO is critical. Same philosophy for this site. Just as Ron has all but Member's Only open for the search engines, having posts on FB will also appear in search results. Link those posts back go he forum every time. It's not a matter is replacing the forum, it's just another tool to keep OES.org at the top of those search results. |
| I think the situation differs because you have a product other than what facebook offers. Facebook offers a community, oes.org offers a community. When people Google your product and land on your fb page, they can talk about your product there and if they're in the market for your product, they MUST go to your site (or your competitors, but I imagine you'd delete posts with links to your competitors). When people Google info on OES, if they land on fb, they can just sit there and post/chat/make friends/ about it without a need to chat on oes.org (our "product"). And that's exactly what has happened so far. This makes me feel that if I "fill the SERPs" with fb pages then I'm simply competing against oes.org proper, not driving people here to chat. Unless I prevent people from chatting on oes.org's fb page(s), which you don't want me to do. I don't get it at all, and I think I've given this a fair shot, no? Quote: New Likes?From: 12/15/2010 - 01/13/2011 227 Lifetime Likes?As of: 01/13/2011 222 Monthly Active Users?From: 12/15/2010 - 01/13/2011 332 Post Views?From: 12/15/2010 - 01/13/2011 3,400 Post Feedback?From: 12/15/2010 - 01/13/2011 382 From my stats: 146 referrals from fb to oes.org's home page. 200 referrals from fb to forum pages. Soooo.... Thousands of fb views. Hundreds of fb members "liked" the fb page. 150(ish?) posts on fb on/about oes.org's fb page. 0 facebook visitors joined oes.org, 0 guest posts from facebook visitors. How long should I keep on this? *BTW unless I am mistaken there is nothing to prevent fb from commandeering your data/discussions and monetizing it to their own advantage in the future, (eg putting up your competitor's ads or selling product).* |
| I use facebook for my dog rescue and see it as an invaluable tool. We've posted a few things that have gotten reposted like crazy and have either helped us raise money, raise awareness, or get a dog adopted. For oes.org I would suggest using fb to: 1. Lure people to the message board. Maybe a few times a week make a post that says "Today we're talking about (insert topic, ex: face trimming, allergies etc.)" With a link to that topic. Surely someone will find that interesting at some point and join the site to give their input/ask questions. 2. Post chip-ins like the one we did for Gilligan, or the ipad photo contest that I'm doing for Rudie. The substance in the topics on oes.org aren't the point of those posts, but rather the amount of people that we can get to see them. If oes.org fans will repost then more people will see them and more people will donate/help. That may not do anything for oes.org... but talk about a morale boost! 3. Post a dog of the week. We can choose a dog that has a recent topic about them and post their picture and a link to the topic so people can read all about them. We can post when a dog does something great like win a show title or go sledding or knock over the garbage can. It will hopefully make people come to read more about the dogs and then want to share their dogs so they can be featured. Those are my ideas for now. I think there are obviously a ton of people that own Sheepdogs that seek out advice and opinions, but there are a ton that probably never thought about what a valuable resource this could be. We can keep sharing and sharing until we lure those unsuspecting victims in! |
| Do you think that should be with or without posting by everyone allowed on the fb page? In other words a place to post or just a billboard? |
Ron wrote: Do you think that should be with or without posting by everyone allowed on the fb page? In other words a place to post or just a billboard? Yes I think everyone should be allowed to post. Their posts won't show up in anyone else's feed, so the only way other people would see them is if they visit the oes.org fb page instead of just looking at the oes.org posts in their feed. I think it's a good way to keep people coming back. Plus, if you feel like specific questions/comments are better suited for the message board you can move them here and delete the post on fb. |
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