dad and son do they get along?
I've read on the web that two male o.e.s. could not get along is that so? |
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| It totally depends on the dogs. Some do, some don't. Here is Chewie the 1st time he met his dad as an adult - oops, can't find the one I wanted - this one is pretty lame -  Chewie in back, part of Luke (his dad) in front.... But, they got along just fine, played off lead with a bunch of other OES  |
| Dawn's right. Totally depends on the dog(s). That said, OES as a breed should get along well with other dogs, male, female, whatever. Some don't, but that's not typical of the breed in my experience. Kristine |
Although I don't have father and son, I do have two males. Simon was 18mo old when we got Garfunkel who was 2.6yrs old. We had one fight and they did great after that. |
Well, if we are talking males in general, I have 5 male dogs here.  And for Chewie and his dad Luke, both are intact males also. |
| I've always had two males and they've done fine...but I do think a proper introduction process makes all the difference. Meet at a neutral place, walk them together until they're tired out, and enter together...it really does help. When Rudy joined us it was three a.m. (after a flight from Florida to Minneapolis, and then a nine hour car ride home, which he slept through). We definitely shortened the "walk" to a sniff in the driveway, and a walk to the door (he was the only one not tired, even Hudson was mad he was awakened and dragged out...and it was minus thirty five at the time). Anyway, they had one growl, I cut them both off immediately, and in we went. Within a few seconds they were BFFs. They still are. (And Rudy has issues with other dogs still, somewhat, but he and Hudson are great together.) I really do swear by the introduction process. It's worth it. |
I've heard that two females can be more trouble than two males. I have sisters, and although we have our bad days, we have mostly great ones. And I find that the more training I do with the girls, even if its just a walk in a perfect heel, with occasional sit and stay commands thrown in to keep them on their toes, the better they are. I had surgery this past eyar, and as a result I wasn't able to keep the girls as active as they need to be, and I slacked off on their training. It wasn't long before they were grumpy, and fighting. But back doing things like agility in the back yard, or a drop in obedience class, and they are right back to being as friendly and loving with one another as ever!   |
| I've for years run all girls and no problems. Friend has 5 boys and never a problem. Nonsense when it comes to same sex in one house. Now with gasper the dad and son spartacus coming over to live, take it step by step like re-introduction of any new dog coming into gaspers territory. Firstly introductions on leads, outside for a time being one at a time, feeding away from each other till you see how they interact with each other and take up feeding bowls straight away and do not allow either of them to sniff the other ones bowl, this way you are not creating a problem with food aggression as you are also for the time being feeding them in a completely seperate area. You are making the first few days hassle free by not letting either get jealous or angsty with each other, toys same too, dont leave them out for the boys to blew over, time out area also for them with special one on one time for each of them and see how they interact with each other when spartacus comes into the home. Just common sense and see also one has to be King Pin with the other, so let them work that out too within reason. I am sure all will be OK, just one on one time with each and supervision with leads firstly with intergrating them both into the home, after a few days if the boys are doing good then supervise outside play together and take it from there with plenty of treats on hand too if they are behaving well together, make the intergration a pleasant one with rewards |
Darth Snuggle wrote: We're a 1-dog home so can't offer any advice, just have to say these are great pictures! |
Allison! I love the pics! They are both sooo cute!  |
Baba wrote: Darth Snuggle wrote: We're a 1-dog home so can't offer any advice, just have to say these are great pictures! thanks! I grew up with one OES; my Mom had a dog, and she had a litter (the dog, not my mom), and we kept a puppy. But the Mother of the pups died not long there after, so I really only ever recall having one dog at a time. Having two is really a lot of work, but it's so rewarding, I now can't imagine doing it any other way. |
| Great answers, just my 2 cents: Boys together do better than girls together. Hormones play a big part but as Allison said, exercise has a way of cooling down grumpy dogs. Intro critical and your leadership. You remain calm and assertive, don't allow any silliness. Trust me, Dad doesn't know he's Dad and son doesn't either. They may recognize each other's scent, but that's it. Have a good time, more sheepies the merrier! |
| Love the pictures too Allison!! |
Here's Nelson Jr. and Nelson Sr.  They don't live together but whenever they get together they get along great. |
| oh Nita! You know how much we love the Nelsons, Jr and Sr.!!!!!!! They are so gorgeous together in this photo!!! |
You forum people drive me nuts. Just when I have convinced myself that we should stay a one-sheepie family, you have to go and post adorable pictures with two sheepies looking so sweet and cute.  |
Kim, we are trying to help you on your quest  to get Mady a playmate. |
| No pressure about getting another OES here, especially if it's your first Old English. Sure, there are a lot of us who do have multiple OES and can do fine. We'd probably only have one (Nelson) if Sassy hadn't come into our rescue (she couldn't be placed elsewhere due to her health and nasty temperament). There are many advantages to only having one OES such as learning about the breed, about the work involved in grooming, how to properly train an OES (easier with one than two!) and just sharing a bond with one dog. It's much easier to learn with one dog and a lot less work. We have a small home and know that two is the limit with an occasional foster dog. Taking Nelson along on vacation is difficult enough but taking two would be harder. It's easier to find a dogsitter for one rather than two and cheaper to board one than two. Cost... well, everything from food to vet care is more affordable with one than two! Most of us here have owned the breed for many years and made our big mistakes a long time ago. I wouldn't discourage someone from taking on a second provided they know what they're getting into. We really enjoyed the time we had Nelson as an "only dog" and IMO, his behavior and our bond became stronger because of it. The most important thing is not to let anyone pressure you into a second dog just because everyone else seems to have one. |
| OW ! I just have to say that these pictures (all of them) are so cute ! Nelson Jr. and Nelson Sr. are so fluffy and clean ! (I love clean sheepies !  ) |
i have 2 males who have the same grandpa and i they are the best of friends |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: No pressure about getting another OES here, especially if it's your first Old English. Sure, there are a lot of us who do have multiple OES and can do fine. We'd probably only have one (Nelson) if Sassy hadn't come into our rescue (she couldn't be placed elsewhere due to her health and nasty temperament). There are many advantages to only having one OES such as learning about the breed, about the work involved in grooming, how to properly train an OES (easier with one than two!) and just sharing a bond with one dog. It's much easier to learn with one dog and a lot less work. We have a small home and know that two is the limit with an occasional foster dog. Taking Nelson along on vacation is difficult enough but taking two would be harder. It's easier to find a dogsitter for one rather than two and cheaper to board one than two. Cost... well, everything from food to vet care is more affordable with one than two! Most of us here have owned the breed for many years and made our big mistakes a long time ago. I wouldn't discourage someone from taking on a second provided they know what they're getting into. We really enjoyed the time we had Nelson as an "only dog" and IMO, his behavior and our bond became stronger because of it. The most important thing is not to let anyone pressure you into a second dog just because everyone else seems to have one. Ditto especially if it is your first. Enjoy the puppy hood, teenage era and also look at the other end of the spectrum two close in age together then you have two elderly at the same time. People say puppers and teenage phase is a lot of work but until you get a sheepie to that golden age era they are even more work to keep them going, healthy, assisted in the old age issues etc. Having two elderly at the same time with the possibility of loosing them so close together is sadness in the making. 3-4 years apart is great for another, the older one is past all the naughty stages, mature and makes a great mentor to a newbie coming into the family. Also you first one is a learning experience!! Going through the phases of coat transitions, maturing etc so by the time a second one comes along your've been there and done that. Also remembering an OES is not fully mature till around 3ish onwards. Back to multiple sheepies, 4 boys and 1 bitch and all family and all get along fine and are different ages in this photo, dad, son, uncle and cousin all intact boys and granpa ruled the mob, one bitch in this photo too .  Dad, son in back row, 3 daughters in the front  Just make it common sense with intergrating the son back with his father, step by step and take it under supervised meetings and I am sure all will be well. |
| Oh Lisa; your photos shame me. I can't even get TWO dogs into that sort of coat, and you've managed so many, so beautifully. My hat's off to you!!!!! |
| Just HOW did you keep them all in full coat groomed like that? |
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