Head-Up heel!
   Absolutely NO special collars, leads, or harnesses needed. Of course, we will gradually have to work up the number of distractions, but just going around the neighborhood this morning was actually pleasant. My arm isn't sore from being yanked. No fingers were broken. AND we didn't come home with a chunk of mats to comb out from the harness! |
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| Congrats ! Never heard of Head-up ? Is he then supposed to hold his head high ?  |
| I mean she was looking at me as she heeled. It's probably one of the rare moments when I have her undivided attention. |
| How did you teach her that ? That is a BIG problem with Aska ! She always starts to take 3 fast steps and then she's in front of me ! I'd love to know how you taught her that ?  |
| How did you teach her that ? That is a BIG problem with Aska ! She always starts to take 3 fast steps and then she's in front of me ! I'd love to know how you taught her that ? |
OldieAska wrote: Congrats ! Never heard of Head-up ? Is he then supposed to hold his head high ? This is what it looks like, more or less (Sybil):   Kristine |
| Thanks for the pictures ! Sybil is so focused ! I love it ! I need to teach Aska this ! So I'll just say GOOD GIRL and treat when she looks at me ? I think I'm going to start clicker training with her She loves to learn new tricks ! Anyone on the forum uses clicker training ? I've heard that it is hard to clicker train an Old English Sheepdog ? |
OldieAska wrote: I've heard that it is hard to clicker train an Old English Sheepdog ? Not at all. Harry totally gets clicker training. So I use it anytime I want to teach him something new or to clean up his sloppier skills. He was introduced to it at a three day Dog Scout Camp two years ago and learned it so fast we didn't have to go to the third class. He was able to try a different skill (rally) when the other dogs were still trying to master clicker training. When I came home from camp I used the clicker to retrain his table in agility to an automatic sit. In the last year I have attended two one-day clicker workshops and following the second one I used the the clicker to speed up his SIT. I have also tried it with Val's Heart a couple of times and she seemed really receptive to it. However it is not my only method of training with Harry. Mainly because while it helps him learn it is totally reward based (and positive) and Harry needs a firm reminder plus a strong NO periodically. I totally recommend you find a clicker class. If you like it and Aska is receptive then I can give you some of my advanced workshop papers to help you really make it work for you. |
OldieAska wrote: Thanks for the pictures ! Sybil is so focused ! I love it ! I need to teach Aska this ! So I'll just say GOOD GIRL and treat when she looks at me ? I think I'm going to start clicker training with her She loves to learn new tricks ! Anyone on the forum uses clicker training ? I've heard that it is hard to clicker train an Old English Sheepdog ? Sybil is focused for short periods at a time <vbg> We are still working on proofing duration  Trust me, there are no "heads up" heeling walks out in the fields or even in the neighborhood where just walking nicely on a loose leash is my goal, and they do not need to look at me for that. To be perfectly honest holding the head up and turned up to look at the handler's face is rather stressful on a dog's body (not natural) so should not be undertaken for long periods at a time. And, also, if you teach a dog to heel this way (very nice looking for competition though, eh?) you should heel with them off both your left AND your right so they aren't always wrenching their neck in just one direction. I'm surprised Sybil heels this way, even though I taught her - I would be happy with her simply keeping her head UP, looking forward and watching my feet and left hip area out of the corner of her right eye, because this is where she will find many of the small directional and change of pace pre-cues - you are not permitted to speak to your dog during the heeling pattern in competitive obedience in the US. My head also gives small cues, directional especially, but given Sybil's structure - she does not have a lot of angulation and also has the shorter than desirable neck that often comes with insufficient shoulder lay-back, so this is harder for her to do than for her sister who has much better structure; well, under the current American breed standard her sister has much better structure. Under the proposed new one Sybil, who is also slightly long-backed in addition to short-strided, would probably fit that vision better  , but she will always be incorrect to me  Bottomline, it is probably physically harder for a "stuffy" dog to do this than a correctly structured one. Mind you, her sister Macy, who covers ground very effortlessly and efficiently, has a tendency to forge, even with my long-legged stride. So no matter what the structure/size of the dog and handler you always have to be evaluating your dog and yourself and making adjustments to paint a pretty picture for the obedience ring. That means that even in obedience, and even if one never wants to compete in conformation, it is helpful to study structure in order to understand why one's dog moves the way she does. Surprising, eh? Are you thinking of competing? Do they have such competitions in Iceland? I'm originally from Norway and I know they have them there. Clicker training is great for most dogs, perhaps unless they have noise sensitivities and are afraid of the sound the clicker makes. And even then you can use a verbal marker word ("yes" is often used in English) to provide the feed back, though the human voice is nowhere near as neutral as the "click". Mind you, even though there can be various degrees of noise sensitivities in OES, it's fairly common in herding breeds for some reason, I've never heard of an OES who had a problem with the sound a clicker makes. Perhaps because it is paired with food from the start?  Kristine |
SheepieMommy wrote: OldieAska wrote: I've heard that it is hard to clicker train an Old English Sheepdog ? Not at all. Harry totally gets clicker training. So I use it anytime I want to teach him something new or to clean up his sloppier skills. He was introduced to it at a three day Dog Scout Camp two years ago and learned it so fast we didn't have to go to the third class. He was able to try a different skill (rally) when the other dogs were still trying to master clicker training. When I came home from camp I used the clicker to retrain his table in agility to an automatic sit. In the last year I have attended two one-day clicker workshops and following the second one I used the the clicker to speed up his SIT. I have also tried it with Val's Heart a couple of times and she seemed really receptive to it. However it is not my only method of training with Harry. Mainly because while it helps him learn it is totally reward based (and positive) and Harry needs a firm reminder plus a strong NO periodically. I totally recommend you find a clicker class. If you like it and Aska is receptive then I can give you some of my advanced workshop papers to help you really make it work for you. Thanks for your reply Judi Thats a great idea to use clicker to speed up the SIT ! Iceland is so small and we don't have a clicker training class  I hate having a dog here ! They are not allowed ANYWHERE !  There is not a single shop or resturant that allows dogs! There is only one, ONE dog park in all Iceland On most camping, they don't allow dogs... anyway... I'll learn it on Youtube Kristine... Thank you for replay Mad Dog wrote: Sybil is focused for short periods at a time <vbg> We are still working on proofing duration Trust me, there are no "heads up" heeling walks out in the fields or even in the neighborhood where just walking nicely on a loose leash is my goal, and they do not need to look at me for that. hehe !  Aska is always on heel in our walks but she's so UNfocused When she off leash heel ( wich I'm working on) shes always 5steps in front or behind or away from me ! SheepieMommy wrote: ou should heel with them off both your left AND your right Really ? Me and Aska took a puppy class and she said to us that we should always have her on our left side  In Iceland there is only Agility ! I'm going to start with Aska when she turns 2 SheepieMommy wrote: Perhaps because it is paired with food from the start? Heheh yebb Thanks again ! |
And for a variation of clicker training - I use my voice instead and say "YES" in a bright, happy voice. I use it exactly the same as a clicker device you use with your hand...I just can control it better!  |
got sheep wrote: And for a variation of clicker training - I use my voice instead and say "YES" in a bright, happy voice. I use it exactly the same as a clicker device you use with your hand...I just can control it better! Thats a great idea ! But Aska responses better to the click, but it's a great idea to start doing that until I find a clicker !Thanks |
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