Tilly Bit My Cavalier :(
Jade |
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| Awww that's too bad. Sheepdogs can be rambunctious and definitely need supervision around little dogs. I hope your Cav is ok. |
| Jade...I am so sorry there was a problem with your Cav and Tilley. Do I understand that you are taking Tilly back to that farm you got her from?? Is there no other way? I am not being mean, please understand, but sometimes these things happen, but they seem to work themselves out a lot of times. When Heart came to me, the second week, there was a little tiff between her and my older OES, Pearl. Heart was under that impression that she could go and eat Pearl's food....and Pearl did reprimand her, in no uncertain terms...HANDS OFF!!!...(Pearl is NOT food aggressive with people at all, but if one of the other dogs try to eat her food..she will let them know.) Since you were outside, do you really know what happened?? I am only asking because from your previous posts, you seem to really love Tilly and she seemed to meld into your family, although it has been only a week??? Obviously, it is your call on whether to return Tilly or try to work through this. Now that you know there are issues, make sure you never leave them alone with any type of food. And I am sure other forum members can help with this problem..... I just thought I'd mention my experience with a new dog and the older residents...  Good Luck~~~ |
Quote: She yelped and cried but there does not seem to be any blood just a very sore neck and a terrified dog. Supervision is mandatory 100% of the time when a new dog is brought into the home and as everyone learns to respect each others limits. Food or toys will often cause a confrontation especially if it's left lying on the floor. No food or toys left unclaimed on the floor and it eliminates a source of a confrontation. Bickering dogs can sound horrible... |
Thank you for your kind words My cavs were in the living room sleeping one of the kids must of let her through I hadn't realised. But Bonnie was hurt my son saw it happen and as she has a heart murmor I would be loathe to keep a dog she was so scared of I couldnt garentee to be there 100% of the time for always  . The worste part of all this is the argument or whatever was over the top of an onion that had missed the bin  And yeah I already love her to bits we all do.Jade |
| When we brought Zeke home, there were some issues with he & Brick getting along. Nothing major at the house. A month or so after we got him, we decided to go on a weekend trip away from home (Table Rock Lake for those that live in Missouri or Arkansas). We were in a cabin at night when we decided to give both dogs a Dingo. Brick was never content with having just his treat, he wants Zeke's, too. He starts to bark at Zeke and he must've got to close to Zeke for Zeke's liking. Without a sound, Zeke snapped at Brick & chomped on Brick's snout. Broke the skin in 2 places with 2 puncture wounds. That was the only time there was a problem. Please reconsider taking her back. The dogs have to find their way and settle in together. It takes a little bit. But they all carve out their niche, everything will work out fine. |
| Yeeeees... dogs will claim and defend the dumbest things if given the chance. An adoption has to be a match for everyone in the home... adults, kids and current pets... or it can be a difficult adjustment. It often takes months for a dog do truly settle in. But if you don't feel you are the right home for Tilly, please contact the person about returning her. If she came from an individual and they won't take her back, contact an OES rescue because they will know the breed best. I don't think I'd bring in another puppy or dog. Puppies are often too rambunctious for sick or old dogs... from my experience, they become full of themselves and test boundaries with other dogs as they come of age around 12-18 months (just my experience). New adults in the home require training, constant supervision (usually only in the beginning) and simply time to settle in. If you're Cavalier's health is fragile, it might be best to keep your home peaceful for your girl's sake. Is it human nature to scorn the perceived aggressor? I think so... but please don't blame Tilly. What you described didn't sound all that terrible in dog conflict terms had your Cavalier been healthy. I'm sure everyone was scared and upset. I remember with my OES-mix I'd taste copper from being scared to death the first few times I'd witnessed a dog fight. (But that was a dog that would have done great bodily injury to the submissive dog... puncture wounds on her belly, leg, ear, etc.) I later learned with my other 7 dogs that conflicts are often a lot of noise, a lot of scuffling around and little else. Early on there were a couple of punctures. Dogs are capable of doing so much damage... the fact that Tilly didn't draw any blood I think shows restraint. I'm sure your child was upset with the demonic sounds  and commotion too but dogs communicate with each other through looks, postures, sounds and teeth. I have to wonder if they establish boundaries with these conflicts.Sometimes the only way to see if something will work is to try it... this is what you did.  |
| not long into having my littermate sisters Tonks and Luna, they began fighting with one another. It looked very vicious, and was terrifying to behold. Like with your cavalier, they never drew blood, never bit through, but I was sure that they were really hurting each other. We sought out a trainer who explained to us that had the dogs meant harm, there would have been blood and lots of it. That there wasn't meant that it was a lot of posing; two dogs that were vying to see who would be the dominant, or the "boss" in our house. Its very possible that Tilly was doing this; letting your Cavs know that she meant to be the alpha dog in her new pack. Its likely she didn't give a hoot about that onion, but she wanted to let your other dogs know that as the boss, she was to have first rights to whatever she wanted. I think its important to note that if she had actually meant your other dogs harm, they would have been bitten through and probably required stitches. Dogs work out their relationships so differently from the way people do, and its easy to mis-interpret their actions and reactions. I know you want to keep your home a "safe" environment for your cavaliers. They were there first, and you have given them a home that is safe and sound. To see a new dog endanger this perception of safety can be scary. But I think what is going on may be a very natural and not as scary as it looks communication of pack dominance. Mind you, I'm no trainer or behaviorist. I only have my own experiences to go on. But I'd hate to see Tilly sent away for what may not have been a genuinely aggressive behavior. |
| If Tilly had meant any harm at all she would of bit Bonnie . If this has upset you in any way please reconsider about getting a pup because you will more than likely get the same issues. I have a 4 year old oes(marley) and a 4 month old pup and my pup is always pushing Marley to the state where Marls nips his neck.Nothing vicious about it Marls is just showing he is in charge (for the present moment anyway )The pup constantly nips on Marleys ears ,and yes he has drawn blood,and pulls his hair.You will more than likely get all this with your pup and cavaliers.As for Tilly if you are intending to take her back please consider taking her to a oes rescue as that way you can guarantee she will find a home that loves her .http://www.old-english-sheepdog-rescue.co.uk/ Breed Clubs and Societies •EAST ANGLIAN OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mrs.V.Burns. Tel No: 01449 766793 •GREATER LONDON OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mrs J Wilkinson. Tel No: 01727 822440 •LANCASTRIAN OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mr R Wilkinson. Tel No: 01204 696085 •MIDLAND OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec: Dr S Winson Tel No: 01922 410611 •NORTH WESTERN OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mrs D Brocklesby-Evans. Tel No: 01302 785021 •OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mrs P Barnes. Tel No: 01793 741002 •OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB OF SCOTLAND. Sec. Mrs M McWilliam. Tel No: 01236 874129 •OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB OF WALES. Sec. Mrs G Mogford. Tel No: 01633 897553 •SOUTH EASTERN OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec. Mr B Anderson. Tel No: 01903 892247 •SOUTH WESTERN OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG CLUB. Sec: Mrs K Reeves. Tel No: 01225 351609 Or there is a rescue in wales that deals with a lot of OES http://foa-rct.proboards.com/ |
| your oes needs to realise she has to be gentle. Summer and Tilly are never left unsupervised round any sort of food. They have had a couple of scraps it is in a dogs nature. Hope you get sorted out x |
| As Sixpence said do look at the appropriate rescues in england for sending her back to ensure she gets the proper home for her. Dont want to be a downer but an OES puppy is more work then an older OES so with your situation and the cavs and the cavs with special needs do reconsider not getting another OES, especially a puppy. There a hell of a lot of work through puppyhood and the challenging teenage phase, they need a lot of training and exercise to get them through this stage and they really dont grow brains or mellow till around 3ish and with the kids and pack of cavs you already have you would have to be superwoman intergrating an OES into the household at the moment. I dont mean this to sound awfull but at the moment you certainly do have your hands full at home |
| sorry to hear about your experience . I ve been viewing this site for a few years now but never joined. I live by the sea on the wirral with Barney the Bear a beautiful two and a half year old neutered male oes. Barney has a good temperament and goes to the park every day for an hour. He loves running with other dogs but doesn't often find one that fits in with his personality. I 've considered in the past homing a rescue if one crossed our path so feel free to e-mail me if you find yourself going in that direction on gallica551athotmail.com hope this post doesn't break any of the site's rules. |
| Hi Barney's Owner! That post doesn't break any rules as far as I can see. In fact, it seems like a really generous offer. I wish you would join and share some pictures of your Barney on the sea. |
| Wow Barney's owner to the rescue! I have often heard (and experienced with my boy) that sheepies are sometimes like outcasts. It's hard to find dogs who understand our huge fluffy nutters. That's what makes UK Sheepie Day so much fun!! There is more info in 'Playdates' section of the forum if you are interested. Please let us know if this works out, it's a lovely idea & would be nice to know what happens to Tilly. |
| I'm sorry you're going through this, Jade. Kudos to you for trying the rescue route though, that was very kind! I have an OES and I have two little dogs, and though I know many people here have success with mixing little dogs with an OES, personally I've found that it's been very, very hard on the little dogs ... not to mention very hard on my nerves upon occasion. I do understand how difficult it is, since I've seen my OES attack my little Shitzu cross. And that's not like watching two same size dogs fight at all, it's far scarier, with far greater risks. It was horrible to see, and heart wrenching, so I can sympathize with you. Again, like I say - many people have success with mixing little dogs with OES. Based only on my experience, it is doable, but it sure can be tough on the little dogs. |
| Sorry to hear about what happened I was hoping it would have worked out.Have cavaliers myself and had simillar problems but just the opposite.Mayby Tilly just didn't work out so don't give up on getting a sheepie just yet,mine finaly learned to get along. |
| Hi Barneys owner I hope you can make contact with tillys mum, if you dont want to join the forum click on the PM of SilverWytche, I would hate tilly to be returned from where she came from at the farm, she deserves a chance at a better life with someone who knows the breed. Your boy sounds wonderfull, do join and post photos of him. |
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