Is it play time?
But as soon as she sees the brush come out she his all over you as if it's play time.She constantly jumps on you and other people . I've tried everything to stop this.she does not have a choke collar. Should i try this? She is very well praised for whatever she does good. Even the smallest things you want her not to do seems like she does not understand it. we repeat it over and over and she will not learn. |
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| Grooming should be a pleasant time, however it sounds like the pup has gotten out of control and I would suggest restraining her, for short periods of time at first, but do not let her move from the grooming area until she settles and is behaving.
I had a hard time getting Sky to sit still for grooming, until my mentor showed up, put the dog on the table, made her lie down and held her there for a few moments all the while kissing her nose and telling her good girl. When she let go, and Sky tried to get up, she was firmly told No, laid back down and held for a few moments again. That's all it took. Sky now lays quietly for grooming, and seems to enjoy it. |
Did you just get her at 9 months old? What was her story prior to now? I have a hard time imagining that she just began this unruly behavior at this age. Have you thought about going to some puppy classes with her to help both you and her establish some rules? Sorry for all of the questions, don't worry though, whatever is going on right now CAN be fixed at least.  |
| You do have to be firm and use a no nonsense voice. OES are very smart and will try to take advantage if you let them. I wish I had done this with Luke, he is almost 8 and still a handfull on the table. He does much better with my husband who is way more firm than I am. Good luck! |
| No, she has always been like this. We got her at 8weeks old. She is hard to train at anything. It takes her time but eventually gets it. We have come a long way in a short time. There are times and I'm certain others will attest that it is fustrating but in the long road they are so adorable it's worth the patience.there are days I could send her to boarding school but the good days makes you feel so good. |
Then they give you "the Look' and a big kiss so all is forgiven  |
| I've been taught recently to make sure you establish dominance and the pecking order in the household. Be firm, if she bites, flip her over onto her back immediately and hold her cheeks so she can't reach you to bite (it doesn't hurt them) - keep holding her there until she calms down. Be firm with her and tell her "NO BITING". Be consistant, do this often. Every time she exhibits a behavior you do not agree with, do this flipping her over and holding her (lean over the dog as her mom would have done with her) until she realizes that she's going to keep getting dominated for every bad thing she does. Make sure to praise her when she's doing good things and eventually it'll click. |
For first time grooms we put the dogs in the bath tub for nails, ears and brushing. The fact that they are unsure of their footing underneath them makes them "much" easier to control. We find it useful for puppes especially  putting a puppy on the grooming table in the noose and being stern with the poor thing when its jumping all around is not teaching the poor pup too much except how not to enjoy grooming even more. When we put them in the bathtub they stand still to keep their footing. This way you can gently groom them, massage their back, rub their belly talk gently to them and encourage them. Massage each paw, and some times blowing in their nose, cut the nail, blow, cut, blow etc. this is a good process for doing the nails and desensitizing them. Then massage each paw and don't feel the need to do it all at one sitting. A little bit at a time (puppies don't have a long attention span) then when you are finished make a big fuss. Also make a fuss while grooming them, tell them how good they are. It works for us at the grooming shop and we have taken some pretty hyper pups turn out to be dream grooms as adults. Make it pleasant...don't repremend them as this will make the grooming process more dreaded in the future
Just keep in mind as well that this is very NORMAL behavior for a 9 month old pup don't feel as though your pup is the only one.
Make each grooming session short at first then work up to being longer. Don't think that by getting it all done in one shot to get it over with is going to help the problem |
I just want to add that pups go through what we cal an adolescent stage. Around adolescent time pups will challenge their owners and can be little devils...even a normally good puppy can be evil at this stage of life   so, don't think that this is abnormal for a pre adult pup to become a completely different dog at different stages of life. |
| Just to add, please do not do any of the suggestions in RollrXGirl's post. I think that it is terrible information I believe that this is cruelty, and how it is still taught in the world of dogs is beyond me.
Each time an action is met with dominance on your part you are teaching your dog to become either shy, fearful or out right aggressive. Flipping a dog is not a dominant type process, to your puppy you are teaching it to fear you not respect you. Many dogs I have seen which have had this type of barbaric training have been horrid dogs. Fear is not a training tool, domination is not a training tool. This technique forces an animal to withstand a process it does not enjoy...make training pleasant not, something to be feared. I believe that the percentage of dogs which have to be euthanized due to this type of training technique is very high. I think that it is cruel and barbaric and such an old fashioned method that I can't imagine any one still using it  |
| With this sort of acting up, at this age, its imparative to get her into some sort of either puppy head start, or obedience. Puppy head start, teaches the dogs to trust you, so they can be easily (well, relatively easy) handled. Good Luck! Deborah, Pirate and Keira (hey! I go to puppy head start!) |
| Guest, please officially join and give us a name by which to know you.
As for your last post, I know you meant well, but your tone was just short of yelling. RollrXGirl was just stating a training tool she knew of, and one, I might add, that many of the people on this forum have used or been told about. She meant no harm to the dog. If you want to change people's minds, please do it with the kindness you want shown to the dogs. Chris |
| Max is the same way.......I got him at 3 months, but he has never liked grooming, and acts like its play time when I pull out the brush. The only thing that I find works is brushing him after he is totally exhausted! then he is too tired to complain.
I also agree that the remarks from guest were uncalled for. there are nicer ways to disagree with some one's opinion. |
| Drezzie's Mom, I am not going to join thank you very much.
I was not yelling at RollrXGirl. I was just so SHOCKED that some one would suggest rolling a dog. I really thought that was some thing of the past and we had matured in our out look on dog training. I also cannot stress enough just how harmful that rolling technique is to a dog. This is why I came across so strongly on that topic. |
| If its what I think it is, it is called a alpha roll in puppy obedience classes, and many still use it. I used it with max and it wasnt barbaric, it was a gentle roll. Max doens't like it but it shows him I am boss. I don't think she was actually staying to flip the dog over in a forcefull manner. |
| In defense of RollrXGirl. I too read her suggestion and understood it was not an extreme form of torture. There have been times that I've had to give one of our OESs a time out and call their attention to a problem. More pointedly that I'm the alpha and what I says go. That's all the maneuver is. |
| Sorry Guest,
You are entitled to your opinions, and you are allowed and encouraged to express them here. However, with that encouragement comes the rule that you must treat all with respect. My main rule is talk with someone in this forum as if they were a neighbor that you didn't know very well, and they were sitting at your kitchen table sharing a cup of tea with you. In my opinion, nobody's mind can be changed about anything by belittling or berating them. Especially in this medium, where someone who doesn't like the way they are being treated can and will simply leave, and never hear any more of what your believe to be your superior advice. I won't allow anyone to express themselves in such an insensitive way. I accept your explanation that you were a little emotional when you wrote your post, and as such I have edited your remarks to make them more civil. Amazingly, I believe that now they may be more effective in conveying your message. |
| Great reply Ron! |
| I would try brushing her when she is tired. I have to clip Kiley and Halifax's nails and brush them when they are drowsey and had a full day of playing.
It takes a little longer to brush - and throughout the week I get little parts here and there depending on which side of their body they expose... Monday - Tummy and under the arms - maybe a toenail clip if he hasn't gotten up.
Tuesday - Tail and back - clip the rest of his nails. And it goes on and on. Doing little bits at a time really helps. You end up getting little tangles out rather than small to large mats. Also, it helps them enjoy being brushed more if you aren't holding them down or overstimulating them. Treats at the end of brushing, toenail trims or hair trimming really make their day as well. If she is biting the brush or tries to struggle with the toenail clippers you can also try scraping peanut butter on the top of their mouths - they get so interested in the treat that you can normally clip their nails without them noticing too much. Of course, this advice I give is just my experience with my cats. I'm hoping that I can apply this to my dog as well. Does this sound like decent advice? I've had dogs before but they have never had the volume of hair that these dogs have. |
Anonymous wrote: Just to add, please do not do any of the suggestions in RollrXGirl's post. I think that it is terrible information
I believe that this is cruelty, and how it is still taught in the world of dogs is beyond me. Each time an action is met with dominance on your part you are teaching your dog to become either shy, fearful or out right aggressive. Flipping a dog is not a dominant type process, to your puppy you are teaching it to fear you not respect you. Many dogs I have seen which have had this type of barbaric training have been horrid dogs. Fear is not a training tool, domination is not a training tool. This technique forces an animal to withstand a process it does not enjoy...make training pleasant not, something to be feared. I believe that the percentage of dogs which have to be euthanized due to this type of training technique is very high. I think that it is cruel and barbaric and such an old fashioned method that I can't imagine any one still using it Since my words come straight from a certified DOG TRAINER who has been training dogs for MANY MANY YEARS and I have seen the incredible work she's done, I think perhaps it might be wise to say "I don't agree with that method of training PERSONALLY". I'd love to know where your facts come from and what training you've had. Edited to add: I was most certainly NOT saying that I was taught or suggesting to hurt the dog in any way. I am an animal lover and animal rights activist, and would NEVER EVER do anything to cause harm to any living creature, big or small. Thank you others for understanding that I was not advocating animal cruelty in any way.  |
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