Dillon been to vets :(
He is only six months of age. Vet suggested he goes in on monday for an x-ray on his hips; on examination of Dillon he can feel a "clunking" and has said that he will be very surprised if it isnt hip dysplacia:( We are covered by insurance but am so so sad for my poor baby; please keep your fingers and paws crossed for us  Debsx |
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| Yeah, the lack of running is a good sign with bunny hopping a close second. Poor guy. |
| Poor Dillon Fingers and paws crossed here Debs . Julianne,Marley and Kenley |
| Ooooh, no... I'm so sorry. There are some things doctors may be able to do since he's still so young. We had hoped that Panda would be able to have TPO surgery but by the time she arrived, arthritis has already set in. Here's a link to some good information about hip dysplasia- http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 84&aid=444 I'm glad you have insurance... you can focus on your pup rather than finances. Please keep us posted.  |
| So sorry - hope Dillon is OK. Doesn't sound real promising though. What did his breeder say? Or are you waiting until the xrays are done?  |
| Oh poor boy. I hope you get some good news. |
Thanks guys for all your well wishes. I have emailed Dillons breeder but as yet have not heard anything. I will keep you informed as to how is goes on Monday  Just had a text from Dillons breedeer saying, oh thats so sad, let me know how he gets on!!!!!! omg not even a phone call:(Debsx |
| Thats terrible Debs !!!!!!! |
| Sixpence.... I thought so too!!:( |
| poor baby, hope the vet can sort him out, and some breeders make you mad...xxxx |
  how awful that you and Dillon have to go through this and no support from the breeder??? That is unforgivable!!! How many were in Dillon's litter and do any of the other puppies have this problem??? I think I would ask to talk to the other puppy owners to get the answer. So sorry!!!!! |
| I think there were five in the litter, mum and dad have all current health screening, dasd is doing well in the show world and Dillons grandad is a Brinkley champion, so it just goes to show dosent it!! Once it has been confirmed from the vets on Monday, I shall be asking the breeder questions!!! Debsx |
| Sorry, but what would you folks want the breeder to do at this time? |
| A phone call and not a text would of been nice and maybe a bit of concern after all she has just bred Dillon and (supposedly) cared for him and loved him for 8 weeks . I know if i had Bred him i would be very concerned but that could be me just being too soft !!!!!One of the main reasons i don't breed OES  |
| Exactle. y!!! Some sort of communication and concern should be given. Why bring puppies into this world if you show no responsibility or care!!!!! I paid good top dollar for my boy and to find out he may have this disease is heartbreaking. Your responsibility as a breeder does not stop once puppies leave your doorstep so to speak, at least thats my take on things. Debs |
| Whoa. I don't know the breeder or the situation and I probably would have been a bit surprised by a text as well. But try not to bring out the hanging rope just yet. First of all you need confirmation from the vet. There's isn't a darn thing the breeder can do or say until you know for sure what's going on except: Oh, no! Please let me know what it turns out to be. Which, I believe was roughly covered in the text. How do we even know what access this person had to communication when she got the news? It's not like she refused to respond or that you have any suggestion that she won't follow up. Like the rest of us, only with more at stake, she, and you, are in a holding pattern until you know something for sure. I am really sorry your boy's having problems. Hoping for the best.  And please try to give his breeder the benefit of the doubt, eh?(Note to self: never text anyone to let them know I got their message if they contact me to let me know something is not right with a dog they got from me lest I get labeled uncaring. Oh, wait - no problem: I don't know how to text!  )Hang in there. Kristine |
| Apologies I should have made myself a bit clearer.... this was in no way a surprise to Dillons breeder, she had been informed twice (once by telephone, the second at crufts when we met up, she knew exacxtly what has been going on, and in no time had she telephoned myself to see how things were going. Im adult enough to realise that these things can and do happen despite the very best health checks breeding programmes etc, what I am peeved about as I have said before is the lack of concern for Dillons plight, how is that bringing in the hanging rope!!! Note to-self, explain things properly and with the level of understanding that some people can understand!!!!!!!!! Debs |
| At least the breeder responded. That's more than alot of "breeders" do. I would say that the next step you should expect from the breeder is that they ask for the x-rays (or copies of the same.....I don't know, do they make copies?) to have them evaulated by a vet trained in reading orthopeadic x-rays, that they feel confident with. Your breeder can't be expected to just "take your vet's word for it". Knowing your guy is way under 2 years of age, I don't know if they would send them to OFA (Kristine?????). At any rate, give your breeder a chance here. You might be very surprised at the outcome. |
| Marilyn, no OFA in the UK But they do have their own hip evaluation scheme. And, yes, it is quite possible the breeder may ask if she can have the x-rays evaluated by perhaps an orthopedic surgeon or...? In the US and so I'm sure elsewhere as well you can now get copies of x-rays on CD so, yes, they can most certainly be shared, but only with owner's permission, of course. Kristine |
You paid top dollar for a badly mismarked dog?  As to the phone calls, frankly I don't see the fuss about that. Personally I HATE both receiving and making phone calls, so 99.9% of my things I do them by e-mail/internet, the things that really need a phone call generally are postponed until they can't be postponed anymore ... Your breeder answered back, so it's not fair you are telling everybody that she doesn't care about the dog  And without knowing for sure what's going on, she can't do much, can she? |
| Isnt it amazing how you all stick together lmao!!! Yes I did pay alot of money for Dillon, and was quite happy to, despite his mismatched coat. I wasnt into showing, just wanted a HEALTHY happy pup with a good disposition as a family pet. Maybe she cannot do much my dear as you so put it but what she CAN do and bloomin well should is pick up the phone ans show some concern!!!! her lack of communication gives very much the impression that she is not concerned jeeeeezzzzzzzz.!!!!!!"!!" |
| Yeah, yeah, you didn't wanted to show, just get puppies from him and get good money in return Frankly, I'm beginning to realize that the ABS is completely rubbish, how can it endorse someone that breeds dogs out of standard? |
| Hummmmm resorting to b******** now are we.... frankly my dear it DOES become you lmao. Note how many litters have I bred... breed standard or otherwise..... a grand old total of 0 !!!!! |
| Anyone can explain what lmao stands for, please? |
Dollysmum wrote: Note how many litters have I bred... breed standard or otherwise..... a grand old total of 0 !!!!! And ....? The more questionnable is that a certification is given to someone that has never bred a litter |
| Deb sorry to hear about Dillion and agree at least the breeder could of given you a verbal reply rather then a text. Even if it was as you dont know yet just for support till you find out what is happening with Dillion. Best wishes for Monday and dont jump the gun as they say yet as only 6 months old, could be just a developement stage with the clicking especially if he has had a early rapid growth spurt (Gone up in Leg) could be just loosness there till the rest of him catches up as he grows & matures more. Wait and see what the x-ray on Monday reveals then take it from there. Too young for the x-rays to be sent off to the BVA but at least having them done you will get an idea as to what is happening with him at the moment. Keeping fingers crossed for you both just a gawky growth spurt stage. Sheepie hugs for you both and just wait and see what monday reveals then try again contacting the breeder once you have better info from the vet as to dillions situation, best wishes for you and dillion |
SeaLords wrote: Anyone can explain what lmao stands for, please? IMAO is "In My Arrogant Opinion" Always happy to help |
Thanks I wouldn't call it "arrogant" though ...  |
| Thank you Lisa for your kind words, good to see there are some nice people here, who do not resort to "lets go check her site out and see what we can dig up""" funny I have had a flutter of OES peeps on my forum this evening lmao stands for.... LAUGH MY A** OF!!!! although arrogant is quite apt for some of the posters!!! |
| Sorry i misread your i for a l . Easy mistake when you have been up since 5am with a pup  |
Aww come on guys  |
Dollysmum wrote: Warlord, or seafish or whatever your name is.... its been an experience!!! Enough. Sealord. And at least she has experience as a breeder and knows what she's talking about. I'm really sorry your puppy's in pain no matter what the circumstances and no matter what it turns out to be. Have you considered your options if he indeed turns out to be dysplastic? Kristine |
sixpence wrote: Sorry i misread your i for a l . Easy mistake when you have been up since 5am with a pup I feel your pain there but, what a cutie to lose sleep over! To the topic at hand... I should probably not say a word as I am not a breeder.... I do respect you all for that but, it is not something I have knowledge to do! I hope Dillon, as Lisa said, is just that he is young and will grow out of it! Debs came here for support...so I hope Dillon feels better soon! |
| Sheesh. Do we need snarkiness and disrespect? Someone has a possibly serious problem. It seems logical to first identify a possible problem... getting a diagnosis is #2 and you'll start that on Monday. You'll have to decide what step #3 will be IF there's an ortho problem. Get Dillon's diagnosis and then talk it over with the breeder. The contract may indicate how things will be handled... I again say, good for you for purchasing insurance to cover genetic conditions because CHD can just happen. If the item purchased had been a sweater with a snag, it would be simple. But it's a puppy that is experiencing pain and appears to be moving improperly so we have to understand that the owner's emotions will be running high. I doubt the breeder meant to come across as uncaring... hopefully the text message was because they were unable to talk at the moment. Maybe they'll follow up real soon. Commonsense says a good breeder will want to know how well their breeding program is doing... and if by chance one of their pups is afflicted with CHD, they'll want to know so they can check other pups in the litter and hopefully take steps to prevent future suffering. I truly hope Dillon isn't affected with CHD. Maybe there's another condition that presents with these symptoms. But if he is dysplastic, a good vet will share options that may allow him to have a brighter future. He can still be a wonderful companion. Best wishes to Dillon |
Dollysmum wrote: Maddog, you say ENOUGH!!! and that Sealord knows what she is talking about as an experienced breeder... well where was this good experienced advise then!!!! all I read were cheap wisecracks from a so called smart ass!!! Im off to bed now so will not be bothering to reply anymore... ive grown tired of it!!! I agree. This discussion has taken a really ugly turn when Dollysmum deserves some support and compassion for what she is going through with Dillon. Sealord -- please stop the sarcastic wisecracks and all of the challenges to whatever course of discussion she is pursuing with the breeder. Please let's all be nice to each other. |
| Why do discussions here have to turn so ugly? We have an upset owner and a dog in pain, wouldn't it be nice to show some sympathy? I wish Dillion the best and hope it's something that can be resolved. |
bestdogs wrote: Why do discussions here have to turn so ugly? We have an upset owner and a dog in pain, wouldn't it be nice to show some sympathy? I wish Dillion the best and hope it's something that can be resolved. I agree with the above !!!!!!!! |
| I hope you get good news from the Vet and that Dillion is ok. |
Thank you all for your wishes of support it means a lot to me  I need some advise, obviously I will mention this to my vet on Monday, but a month or so ago I noticed Dillon's head shaking, it was his whole body but more noticable with his head, I panicked and called him and he came to me and the shaking stopped; I put it down to a funny sort of quirk and thought no more of it.Midmorning whilst Dillon was playing with his ball, he sat bolt upright and his head started shaking and so was his body, he wasnt in a trance or anything he was aware what was going on around him; I went up to him to distract him and gave him a cuddle and the shaking stopped???? should I be panicking.... I hope and prey it is not a neuroligical problem.... any advise please. Debsx |
| Discuss all of this on Monday with your vet. If you have access to a camera that will allow you to take videos, please record these episodes of shaking and also his gait and how he stands. When a vet can see exactly what we're seeing, they aren't left guessing about our interpretation of a possible problem. You'll also be able to share it with his breeder. Kaytee had vomited several times after two doses of Clavamox last week. She had the beginnings of a staph infection in her nasal area (cleft palate). We had to wait until the afternoon to see our vet... one vet in the practice was sick and another was at a seminar so she was swamped. I called again to say that I was afraid she'd become dehydrated (we started plain Pedialite). I called again to say she had vomited blood. They said to bring her right in. I grabbed the camera and took a picture... I was able to clearly convey why I was so concerned. GROSS PICTURE ALERT- http://oesusa.com/Kaytee-Clavamox-031910.jpg So always go with your gut... you know your dog best. |
| As 6 girls said if you can when he does this video it way easier for a vet to see then verbally tell them what your on about also pay you to video his gait & how he stands as well to show the vet on Monday as to how he is moving at the moment, all bits of info especially visual will help the vet along with the x-rays see what is going on with your baby boy.. Hopefully with the tremour/shakes it may just be pain related and nothing else but yes do tell the vet and if you can if he has an episode like this again video it. Also are his ears OK, no signs of problems there as if is can cause lots of head shakes even flowing through to the body shaking. So check the ears firstly to see no signs of an infection starting up no discharge, no heaps of wax, nice and pink on the flaps not looking reddish there or inflamed and smelling good Still keeping all crossed for you both. |
Dollysmum wrote: Thank you all for your wishes of support it means a lot to me I need some advise, obviously I will mention this to my vet on Monday, but a month or so ago I noticed Dillon's head shaking, it was his whole body but more noticable with his head, I panicked and called him and he came to me and the shaking stopped; I put it down to a funny sort of quirk and thought no more of it.Midmorning whilst Dillon was playing with his ball, he sat bolt upright and his head started shaking and so was his body, he wasnt in a trance or anything he was aware what was going on around him; I went up to him to distract him and gave him a cuddle and the shaking stopped???? should I be panicking.... I hope and prey it is not a neuroligical problem.... any advise please. Debsx That had to be scary to see! Fingers are crossed for good news Monday. |
| Oh NO! I hope it is some other more easily dealt with problem. |
| We had Dillons hips x-rayed, no breakages, or fractures, the vet showed us his xray and said that his ball is not in the socket as it should be, he is 75% it is hip dysplacia, but to be absolutely sure his xrays are being sent to Royal Vetinary College Cambridge, but in the meantime he has put Dillon on Rimidyl pain killers. I have spoken to his breeder who rather implied that we may have exercised him too much, her words were I do not walk my dogs until they are at least 9 month of age!! To which I replied that my vet said he would have been born with it as it is hereditary, but I dont blame her, these things happen. We have to wait about 10 days until the vetinary college give their second opinion and we will go from there. I would like to thank you guys for your well wishes, Im just sorry it is not better news:( but we love Dillon with all our heart and soul, he will not suffer or want for anything Debsx |
| Debs! dillon will have the best mum to look after him!!!! I know how you feel I was told the same Hattie has the same But in both legs the balls are not in her sockets!!! as they should be! But the painkillers shes has are doing her good and too look at her you not think she has HD... Chin up babe he will be OK... x |
| Oh, Deb. I'm so sorry. Wished for better news, but at least now you know and can take whatever preventative actions are available to you to ease the pain and so on. Kristine |
| Sorry to hear this Debs |
| Sorry to hear it wasnt good news. All the best to you. |
| Sorry deb to hear the news, be interesting to hear what the evaluation is on the X-ray being forwarded. Only 6 months at the moment so I am sure after the final assessing of the X-ray taken as long as the ball and socket are nice and formed there may be preventative measures you will be able to do and it would also pay you to have them re-done at 18 months to 2 years when the growth plates have closed to see if any more deteriation or it might of improved or holding as is. Look also towards supplements to support him at the moment, joint supplements like chrondroiton, glucosamine combined and also talk to your vet when the results have been assessed as to wether to take him off puppy growth kibble as you dont want excellerated growth at the moment. Also after the results come in also talk to the vet about appropriate exercise that is no running up and down stairs, slipping or sliding and preferably short free play or walking on grassed surfaces till he matures more and the growth plates are closed. At the moment no over-exercising or having him pound the pavement etc. You are looking for a good 12 months or more at protecting that hip joint at the moment. He is still only such a baby at 6 months and still has a lot of developing to go so seeing what you did at the vets, be proactive now and try and guard it maybe getting any worse as he still has a long way to go to mature in growth and for those growth plates to close and for his growing to slow also keep him on the leaner side at the moment better for his hip joint. |
| Thank you for your advise girlsm I will certainly take it all on board, Lisa especially good sound advise thank you Debsx |
| As they age those muscles will tighten and the ball will move into the socket more. It happened with my boy, and my rehab therapist says that is normal. You can also work with someone to do proper exercises to help. |
kerry wrote: As they age those muscles will tighten and the ball will move into the socket more. It happened with my boy, and my rehab therapist says that is normal. You can also work with someone to do proper exercises to help. That is a very positive thought.... Hopefully this will be the case for Dillon! |
| I'm sorry for all that you & Dolly are going through and sending prayers & best wishes....Kathy |
| hugd to you and your sweet baby hang in there i am sure dillon is in good hands with you as a mommie |
| Sending you and Dillon only good wishes |
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