bad bad sheepdogs.........
;s parents kept her Not so here But she is a dog that needs a job!! She herds airplanes,birds anything moving. She is just the best with any fosters I bring in and has a heart of gold Has she been to obedience NOPE and yes she needs to and I will start her I have been so tied up with guinness. Usually when I take her out she just who who who's at folks wagging her butt. We live in the boonies so she doesn't get much exposure and she is fine with guests. So I took a trip to petsmart with two sheepdogs in tow. OMG I wanted to tie her to a post and leave her  She barked at everything. she tried to herd a car in the parking lot and almost jerked me off my feet!! She snarled and barked at every dog like she was going to eat them I was so embarrassed  I guess she was never socialized out of the home. Poor guinness ,even he was embarrassed .If folks came up to her she was fine You could hear her barking all through the store. I even ran into a lady that has an OES and has never seen another one out. I told her to join us. Guess I better find a class FAST. (this is all my fault not molly's) |
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Awww...you had no way of knowing. I am sure next time you go, she will be an angel. You can’t fix what you can’t see. Think of it as a fact finding mission... |
| You are so good with all the rescues you have had, Molly is in the best hands!!! And with Guiness showling her how to be polite and social, you will have a great pupper in no time!!! Keep us posted on her progress! I can't wait to hear that Molly is a therapy dog soon!! Hugs to all of you...from Heart and Pearl!!! It's nice to hear you have retuned to a little normalicy in your life!!!! |
Molly is not normal, as a matter of fact she is CRAZY!! I love her to pieces. We have had her over a year and she should have gone to obedience right away. I have taken her to SC with me and she did sorta OK Still barked at everything that moved. Bob said now you know why they gave her away  |
Actually sounds like she really needs working, that is try either herding or Agility, she has a strong chase instinct in her so work on that. She actually sounds quite switched on (Smart cookie) and when you can any sort of performance training I think will do wonders there also wonders for you with the energy burn off as well.  Start with obedience make sure on lead classes till the excitement of other dogs gradually gets boring for her. Letting her off after classes will only egg her on to chase and bark at all dogs. Start at basics and work up from there as she gets use to outside the home other dogs. She really does sound like a pocket rocket that needs to be working some sort of performance type of thing to satisfy the brain and her chasey instinct. Barking can just be over excitement like WOO HOO new thingys I'm hyped up and the snarling at the unknown other dogs I am the BOSS, so obeidence classes firstly then onto bigger and better things with her. She sounds like she really needs that extra as I think she is one switched on smart girl. |
| It COULD be worse; she didn't bite anyone. So that's a win. But I think folks are right; Obedience would be helpful, but maybe something like Agility which will cover alot of the obedience basics would be more fun for her. Once my health and our money situations sort of even out, I'm going to enroll my girls back in Agility. They mostly enjoy it (Tonks loves it) and its a great re-enforcement for basic commands and well as more advanced stuff too. |
Since you are in a rural area, Cindy, have you looked for someone offering herding classes? It really sounds like miss Molly is a natural.  Could give her a good outlet. We have a lady here, locally who offers both training and the use (for a small fee) of her sheep as "practice" and exercise. Our dogs love going there! |
She is not a biter as a matter of fact she is a love. If you yell at her she crouches down (I think the father of the guy was mean to her:( ) She knows when she is bad so I don't yell but even if I do a low drawn out m o l l y. she cowers. She definitely needs lead obedience work and some sort of outlet. I just should have done it when I got her. There is no one around that does herding classes My vet has a corgi and has also looked My neighbor has sheep. Maybe Molly needs to go head on head with his spunky ram She runs and barks at them when they are out She is in our fenced yard when she does it. My GSD will run their fence line and herd back and forth The run a bit then stop and look at him like WHAT???? This is good advice I will get on the phone monday and see what I can do. Thank you all  I am still embarressed I may have to change petsmarts  |
| Sorry, shouldn' laugh. But you and I and Donner's mom could start a psycho rescue dogs annonymous organization  Strong prey drive (chasing) does not necessarily equate with herding instinct, which is a much more refined variation of same. But by all means, if you can get get some control over her, have her instinct tested. A good tester should be able to tell if she has any real instinct/ability or is just a chaser. Dogs that are mental in this way may NEED a job, but they certainly don't make the best performance prospects simply because they have so little impulse control and you spend a lot of time trying to put that on them, often, I think, trying to fight some chemical imbalance. I'm mentioning that not to dissuade you but because I've had complaints from performance people who have been offered pups in litters which an unknowning breeder mistakes for a performance prospect when they're really just nuts and a doggie psychiatrist prospect. She probably was not mistreated. There are a lot of bad temperaments in this breed and spookiness/shyness has been showing up more frequently even in the show lines of late, let alone among the BYB dogs. It's a rare rescue dog we get in who doesn't cower if you look at them cross eyed. Never mind my Dazz who, though she's come a long way, will still pee if you reach out to her and who has barking fits if anyone dares come to my house. She's actually better in public as long as the world ignores her With everything you've been through small wonder you haven't had time to start dealing with this. How many PetSmarts do you have in a reasonable radius? Dazz doesn't get nearly as much work as she should simply because I have other dogs and she could be a full time project. Yet even with that she's made progress beyond what I would have believed when I first got her just by taking her with me to run thrus and other dogs' classes when I can (she isn't stable enough to be in a class of her own yet) The progress sort of snuck up on me, very encouraging, so I just keep plugging and hoping it will continue. In the beginning I really though the only way to manage this dog was going to be with a butterfly net! I am a huge proponent of starting undersocialized/shy dogs out with truly dog savvy people, i.e. the kind who train dogs as obsessively as I do, because you can expect them to follow your instructions and not crowd the dog and so on, whereas with the general public, they see cute and they have no impulse control (hey, where have I heard that before?) and you risk set-backs. I've had to literally body block dogs I was working with from overly enthusiastic casual bystanders She'll get there. Are you going to be at the national? I can't wait to see you enter her and Guinness in brace in the rescue parade  Of course, joke may be on me if I enter Dazz, which will only happen if she can learn to walk with four legs on the ground, more or less, and not pee herself when the crowd cheers It'll be a spectacle for sure Hang in there. Summer will help because it will be easier to get her out. Kristine |
There is one 40 min from me and one a hour(pet smarts) Nothing is close to me  I believe she is just plain crazy but she is a love She also has a terrible coat All soft and downy By the time I make it from her butt to her head grooming she has aready matted on her butt. I so want to make the nationals but it would be horrific to take her in the rescue parade much less even in the events area. I will take what Guinness did anyday. I just feel so out of controll with my dogs. I need help............ |
| Can you tell if it is excited barking or stress barking when you take her in to town? With the weather nicer, maybe just walking on streets or in the parking lots would work to not overload her senses. Then work her up to the actual store. ahh, the joy of rescues and finding those unexpected behaviors....in public no less...... I can just imagine the look on Guinness's face...poor boy |
I believe it is excited barking (but it could well be stress......) she is a loving girl but CRAZY. I have a very long driveway and usually walk my dogs up to get the mail. Some off leash and some on leash (guess who is on leash??) I have started working molly for about 15 min a day till she develops a brain and some control. She really wants to please. I used a prong on her last night and boy did we heel and we walked up the driveway today The neighbors boxer was out (underground fence) she wanted to lunge and bark but the corrections she gave herself and my voice worked very well. She made me laugh because when we were headed down the hill Grady was running and barking and molly kept looking over her shoulder as if to say "just you wait I will figure this out and be back!" I am very hopeful now and may have to transition to an e collar. But at least I did not have to get the ben gay out for my shoulders I even walked on my neighbors drive and swiped a soda from their garage. I had so much control that I could drink it headed back to my house  |
4dognight wrote: I believe it is excited barking (but it could well be stress......) she is a loving girl but CRAZY. I have a very long driveway and usually walk my dogs up to get the mail. Some off leash and some on leash (guess who is on leash??) I have started working molly for about 15 min a day till she develops a brain and some control. She really wants to please. I used a prong on her last night and boy did we heel and we walked up the driveway today The neighbors boxer was out (underground fence) she wanted to lunge and bark but the corrections she gave herself and my voice worked very well. She made me laugh because when we were headed down the hill Grady was running and barking and molly kept looking over her shoulder as if to say "just you wait I will figure this out and be back!" I am very hopeful now and may have to transition to an e collar. But at least I did not have to get the ben gay out for my shoulders I even walked on my neighbors drive and swiped a soda from their garage. I had so much control that I could drink it headed back to my house That looking back over her shoulder sounds familiar. It really is fear - not plotting revenge You mention the prong and the self correction - the best way to use the prongs to learn how to give a proper correction. I know, but in a matter of days Marley went from crazy dog barking bitch to me taking her just about anywhere on a show choke with no concerns about other dogs or big noisy trucks or funny men running down the street. And as for abused rescue dogs - I was thinking about this this morning. Dan was being an idiot and i yelled at him when I left the bedroom, I may have slammed the door. Morgan hit the floor like a combat veteran under fire. When we went down staris I must have moved too quickly getting their collars and he did the same thing. Believe me the only abuse Morgan has ever taken is my cutting back his dinner to a normal sized portion. I have no idea why he reacted the way he did - usually nothing (but mops and gates) phase him in the least. |
| I know how to give a proper correction with a prong but I did not need to give any. She went to lunge and the prong tightened and she stopped I did not need to give any correction.I only used my voice as I felt her wanting to lunge. I have worked many years with German Shepherds and have been to many a training class. I have only used a prong on two dogs one was for aggression and the other was to just be able to walk the dog. I have used an e collar for my personal GSD for recall problems. All effective if used correctly. Molly was not afraid of Grady She was trying to figure out how to lunge while wearing the prong I know my girl too well. I don't think she is afraid of much but really may have more sense that I have given her credit for. |
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