Barney is sick :(
So then yesterday afternoon around 5 he throws up all his food and it was many hours after breakfast and the food was not digested at all. Then I woke up this morning to more diarrhea. He's acting fine, bouncy and all and 'wants' his food, although when I fed him his dinner last night he only ate half of it, which is very unusual. I have a call in to the vet, but just was wondering if anyone had any insight. Oh, and this dog has a stomach of steel. He can (and will) eat anything and not have any problems at all. |
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| I think those are symptoms of the meds. I have really been watching Frankie since he started his Saturday no problem yet, well he might seem a mopey but I think thats a symptom also. He shook his head this morning and stumbled over in the snow. It was slippery but he might be a little dizzy. dizziness is a symptom also. I hope Barney is feeling better soon Lisa and Frankie |
 I am so sorry that you are experiencing this. It is so hard to not know what is going on with our babies. It is like when one of our kids is sick at a infant because they cant' tell you! I hope that your vet gets back with you soon. I'll be thinking of you, Oh just make sure he is getting enough liquids so he doesn't get dehydrated  Traci |
Poor Barney, and poor YOU! |
| We're going through something similar at our house right now, too and no one is on anything. I think they may have picked something up and are passing it around. We came home Friday to, literally, the worst explosion we've every experienced (even worse than when Bear managed to get it on the ceiling). Lot of chicken and rice right now... I feel for you and Barney. |
Ack, poor Barney and poor humans!  I hope your vet has an alternative med to try. Ditto the watch for dehydration if it continues. |
| Just talked to the vet. They said to discontinue the ketoconazole for 3 days and feed him a bland diet of rice and boiled chicken for 3 days and see if there's an improvement. They said based on that they may lower his dose or take him off of it. I don't know if they'll try something else or not. Do you think once-a-day diarrhea/vomit would be enough to dehydrate him (in general)? Just wondering. Jill--that sounds horrible. I hope your guys feel better soon. Side note: Anyone have a great way to get poo stains out of carpet? Or know the best way to clean up these messes? (without a little green machine) |
If he's just having the diarrhea or vomiting once a day, and he's drinking, you should be fine.  The carpet.....I would shampoo it, preferably before it dries. |
Poor doggie and poor mommy for having to clean it all!! The only thing that gets diarrhea out for us is the carpet steamer. Nature's Miracle and everything else just doesn't do it for the BIG jobs.  |
| No wisdom, just hopes that Barney feels better soon. Good luck!!! |
ButtersStotch wrote: We're going through something similar at our house right now, too and no one is on anything. I think they may have picked something up and are passing it around. We came home Friday to, literally, the worst explosion we've every experienced (even worse than when Bear managed to get it on the ceiling). Lot of chicken and rice right now... I feel for you and Barney. The ceiling...?!?  Poor Barney, I hope he feels better soon. We managed to get the poo stain out of our carpet by lots of drenchings of carpet cleaner after it happened. |
| Poor barney, sounds like a reaction to the drug he is on, especially as he usually has a cast iron gut. As for poo out of carpet, cant help there as we are all tiled downstairs where the dogs play and lay. THANK GAWD for that when poopie explosions happen.  Hoping now he is off it for a few days & a bland diet no more explosions  And Jill hope your lot get over the buggy thingy soon, has it gone through all of them? Nothing more horrible then multiple dogs with poppie explosions. |
| Barney seems to be doing better this morning. At least there were no overnight incidents. He's off the keto and on a rice and chicken diet for the next few days. So I'm hoping we're on the upside of things. Do you think if he's on simplicef that that will clear up the yeast infection, and maybe having been on the keto for 4 days? I just don't want him to have to start taking it again, even if it's at a lower dose and risk this mess again! Of course I will, just wondering what you all thought... |
| So glad he's feeling better. Jill, hope your guys are too. I think we've all been on the clean up side of this issue and know it's not fun. Worse still, is knowing your baby is sick and not eing sure how to help them. Hopefully, being off he meds will stop the symptoms. Poor kids. |
barney1 wrote: Just talked to the vet. They said to discontinue the ketoconazole for 3 days and feed him a bland diet of rice and boiled chicken for 3 days and see if there's an improvement. They said based on that they may lower his dose or take him off of it. I don't know if they'll try something else or not. Do you think once-a-day diarrhea/vomit would be enough to dehydrate him (in general)? Just wondering. Jill--that sounds horrible. I hope your guys feel better soon. Side note: Anyone have a great way to get poo stains out of carpet? Or know the best way to clean up these messes? (without a little green machine) I've been using Nature's Miracle on the poo stain-- it works amazingly well and our carpet is a light beige. It did not work as well on the single bile-y vomit stain so I'm looking for another solution on that part. |
I have a little bile vomit spot on my cream area rug under the table. Didn't see it until it dried.....  If you find something that works, PLEASE let me know! |
| We were on the Simplecif for an infection from a dog bite. Not sure it will help yeast infection. But we never had a reaction to the Ketco... When my dogs are on any kind of antibitotices, I give them a pepcid AC before meals. At least 10 minutes but not more than 60 minutes before. Then I give the meds with their meal. It has worked well at warding off stomach problems. If gas is a prob, I give a gas x. Sounds like alot of meds to those who follow the holistic route I know but it works form me when antibiotics are needed... As far as stains in the carpet, Nature's Kiracle found in most Pet Co;s have done the job for us...Club soda works well too. But don't rub it in. Sort of soak it up with a paper towel... Hope Barney starts to feel better...Oh, you might want to try some rice water too.... |
| Daily update: Barney is continuing to do better. No more poop incidents, so that's good. The only problem now (which is not related to the pooping) is that he is CRAZY scratching again. Like a madman. So I have a call in to the vet to see what's up. The vet, by the way, has been great. This is the specialist, the allergy/derm vet we saw and ever since I called about Barney, she's called 3 times to check on him. I think that's so nice. I've never had such nice service (although I've never paid a vet so much in one fell swoop, either, so maybe I'm just on the platinum list now ) |
| I dilute oxyclean in water and put it in a spray bottle. It works well on a difficult stain before using the steam cleaner. |
| Thanks for all the cleaning suggestions! |
| Another Update: Barney had issues again last night I thought we were over this, but I guess not. The good news, though, was that he came to me to take him out. Although the way he does it isn't very effective if I'm sleeping--he just stares at me, backs up, goes back to me and stares. Which works fine if I'm awake! But somehow I sensed he was there and he was just staring at me so I sat up and he ran to the bedroom door. So I took him downstairs but he wouldn't go outside. He went straight for his water and started drinking. I waited a while but he never seemed to want to actually go outside, so I figured maybe he was just super thirsty.But, I decided to leave him down there just in case. And of course I woke up to a mess. I DID give him his regular dinner last night since I had run out of boiled chicken and thought that it was okay since he'd been on the rice/chicken for a few days. It's not new food, and it's a fairly fresh bag, but not so fresh that he hasn't had many many meals from it, so I don't think there's anything wrong with his dog food. I have another call in to the vet, so we'll see what she says. Poor Barns. I might be getting a new rug with my tax return this year |
| When you talk to your vet ask him about Science diet Id. The bland diet of chicken and rice or hamburger and rice never works for Frankie. When he gets stomach issues it's explosive, and thats the only food that clears it up really quick. Very pricey but it works. I switch over the minute he starts to get soft poops, and it really clears it right up. Hope Barney is feeling better soon. Lisa and Frankie |
got sheep wrote: I have a little bile vomit spot on my cream area rug under the table. Didn't see it until it dried..... If you find something that works, PLEASE let me know! Dawn, I got it out. I got this stuff at a dog show a long time ago: http://juststainsandodors.com/ It claimed it was good for pee but it really didn't work well for pee at all. But, what it did work great for is blood and, now, we can add bile to the list of things that it takes out. I saturated the stain, got most of it out and then put a damp towel on top of it and let it dry to draw the rest of the stain out. Now it's the cleanest spot on the carpet! |
| Jill, how's your group doing? Are they feeling better? |
ButtersStotch wrote: got sheep wrote: I have a little bile vomit spot on my cream area rug under the table. Didn't see it until it dried..... If you find something that works, PLEASE let me know! Dawn, I got it out. I got this stuff at a dog show a long time ago: http://juststainsandodors.com/ It claimed it was good for pee but it really didn't work well for pee at all. But, what it did work great for is blood and, now, we can add bile to the list of things that it takes out. I saturated the stain, got most of it out and then put a damp towel on top of it and let it dry to draw the rest of the stain out. Now it's the cleanest spot on the carpet! Thanks! I will check it out tomorrow :0) |
Daily update, Friday edition (in case anyone is still reading this thread for anything other than cleaning advice  )No incidents yesterday. Although, I'm afraid he's eating his poop. Why would he do that? He did it when he was a puppy, but hasn't for years. But I feel like I could see a spot on the floor that looked like poop could have been there at one point, but there wasn't any, so I'm suspicious that he's eating it. Do you think he's ashamed and trying to hide the evidence? Or trying to keep his area clean while we're away at work? In talking with his vet yesterday, she thinks that it's the simplicef that's causing his stomach to be upset. She thought he had been vomiting (he had, once) so she said that's typically more what the ketoconazole does, but poops are what simplicef does. But he's been on simplicef many times before without incident. I'm thinking it may be the combination of thyroid meds and the simplicef that might be too much for his tummy? The first appt I could get to retest his blood levels isn't until next Wednesday, which in dog years seems like forever! |
| Yep, reading for Barney updates...tooo! I hope this is a new trend (the no diarrhea, not the poop eating)  |
| poor Barney, I have to get a new steam cleaner I have worn mine out. Both my dogs eat poo (sometimes) dont know why. So I always go out the garden with them. Sure hope Barney is feeling a bit more like himself x |
barney1 wrote: Jill, how's your group doing? Are they feeling better? Owen's in good shape but Clyde is still a little loose. He's in better spirits though. They're on meds so Clyde may just be a little slower to respond since the antibiotics have to work harder to travel through all that fat.  |
| hope things get bettter for all. sheepie kisses to all |
| That can sometimes happen with undigested food passing through the system quickly or even maybe the medication he is on making the poop seem tasty. Had it once with Kelsey as an adult, when she was crook, rang the vet in dusgust and said nothing to worry about, but you need to be on top of it as it can become habit forming quite easily. Best advice is pick it up straight away and dispose of it and if he at all goes to sniff it at all tell him off. Hopefully as his tummy settles down etc and he is digesting food better the poop eating will be a thing of the past. But yes do get onto it as you dont want it to become the norm for him. Especially with a bub in the house, you dont want barney to be doing that then licking bubba so needs to be monitored and got on top of fast. |
| Monday update: Our weekend stunk. Literally. Barney had another poop-filled night on Friday-Saturday. But at least he left it for me and didn't eat it We've taken him off all medications for the moment, just in the chance that something was still irritating him and not causing his tummy to heal. Although we had to put him on prednisone. He biting/scratching/licking was out of control. I'd never seen him that bad and the pred is the only thing that stops it. So we'll be starting up the simplicef again in maybe a day or two if all goes well poop-wise. He was fine last night. Only had chicken and rice and the pred pill. I've said it before, but I hope he's on the mend. Poor bubby doesn't understand why he can't sleep upstairs with us right now. |
| oh man, poor kid! I hope you figure it out soon and he can be itch free and feel good! |
| A shot in the dark, has Barney been cultured for giardia? |
| I hate that I missed all this.... Gross but, is Barney's poop yellow at all? Does he have any jaundice? Just wondering if they did a panel before starting him on the Ketokonizole? It is a pretty safe drug but, as always can have side effects... Like with Rimadyl, can effect the liver.... I am not trying to scare you at all but, the sooner it is resolved the better! Devyn was on it for a couple of months and we tested her often with no ill effects! I would have at least his liver enzymes checked soon... Good Luck |
No, the poop is not yellow at all. Just regular old poop colored.  Yes, we had a full bloodwork done before starting on all these meds. We were supposed to go in tomorrow for the follow-up bloodwork (it would have been 2 weeks since he started on them), but since we stopped the meds there's no reason to get his blood checked again at this point. Once we restart we'll get them checked shortly after he's on them. He was fine again last night. Again, just the pred and boiled chicken and rice. So I'm really hoping this is it. I think tonight I'll give him the last of the chicken and rice and then tomorrow start him back on regular food, and if that goes well, start him back on the simplicef this weekend. |
| Wednesday update: It's been since Friday/Saturday night since his last incident. I gave him his regular food this morning for the first time since then, so let's hope all is well when I get home! My plan is to just give him his regular food until Friday, and then we're going to add the ketoconazole back in. We figured we'd add that first to rule out that it's the thing causing the problems. Once that goes okay, we'll add back the simplicef and then the thyroid meds. He's only been on the prednisone for 3 or so days and the difference is so dramatic. No more itching/scratching and his skin is no longer red and his sores are starting to heal up. I hate that it's so bad to take for extended periods of time since it works so well for him  |
| Oh poor Barney and you! Hope things settle. Give him a big hug and kiss |
| New update: Barney has been fine for a week now. So, last night we began him on just the ketoconazole again, at a lower dose. If he has issues, we'll know it's that medicine most likely. So here's to hoping for clean floors when I get home from work! |
| Good luck. Spring muddies are bad enough to deal with these days! |
| Paws crossed here. |
| Fingers crossed for clean floors |
| Fingers and Paws crossed here as well. Glad Barney is feeling better. Lisa and Frankie |
| What's the verdict? |
| Clean floors! I still don't feel out of the woods yet, as last time he had been on the medicine for 3 days before anything happened. AND I haven't started up any of the other medicines yet either, but it's a start! |
YEAH  Lisa and Frankie |
| So happy to read this update! Can't wait to see pictures! |
| I should take some pictures! He's already looking much much better b/c he's stopped the chewing so has allowed for his wounds to heal. Need to clean my camera disk first though. And he's doing much better. I'm going to have to add in the next medication, which I'm scared about, but has to be done... |
| I hope you statted him on his regular food mixed with the chicken and rice and switched him over slowly. Otherwise, that in itself can cause some stomach upset and dirrearea. Both my dogs have been on the Simpleicef and the Ketco whatever. I got an "orangey color" poop for a while but once off it, returned to normal...I did give a PepCid Ac with it before each meal...Did your Vet say that would be okay to give? It coats the tummy. Some of these antibiotics are harsh... Also, what I did was boil some rice and keep the rice water. I mixed some of the rice water with the regular kibble and let sit and soak a few minutes. The rice water was good for the loose poop and soaking the kibble made it easier to digest. Hope he is feeling better soon.... |
| Nope, started him back on regular food full throttle. And he did fine. The Pepcid is a good idea for when I add in the next medication, just to be safe... |
Sounding good steph keeping fingys crossed it keeps going well. Go Barney keep on improving  |
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