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Do these guys live in the kennel? If they do are they ever let out to run around the yard and relieve themselves? They may be barking for attention. How old are they, are they well groomed, do they ever go in the house.....etc. |
Quote: Do these guys live in the kennel? If they do are they ever let out to run around the yard and relieve themselves? They may be barking for attention. How old are they, are they well groomed, do they ever go in the house.....etc.
No, they live in the house, the kennel is where they go to the bathroom and exercise with eachother. The kennel is a little less than a fourth of the yard. The yard is around a little less than a fourth of an acre. I don't think they get enough attention from their owners...I've seen the owners pet the dogs before, but only a tap on the head or something. The owners are nice to their dogs, but they don't seem to know much about the breed or dogs in general for that matter. The dogs aren't trained. I believe Paws is around two years now and Groucho around four. They are groomed, but by groomed I mean their owners bring them to the groomers where they are clipped. I don't think they are brushed, they don't have a ton of hair because they are clipped. They are in the house while their owners are gone. I appreciate any and all help . I'd like to help these dogs out--they are such sweet animals and deserve to live wonderful lives. |
I think it's wonderful that you care so much. Perhaps you could offer to walk them, there are many leashes available to help the pulling problem. Barking may be caused by boredom, walking may help with that. If you are able maybe you could play frisbee or fetch with them, perhaps wiyh an older child to help you. I would also speak to the owners, many places have laws regarding excess barking. Maybe someone more experienced than I am will have better suggestions. Good luck |
I hate to be the dog police, but if you think the dogs are being mistreated, perhaps you could take notes...that way you have a back up. I hate seeing dogs (or animals) being abused. |
We have offered to exercise the dogs, however they rejected . I suppose they just figure I can't handle their dogs (though I handle three 50-65 lb. dogs every day). I was and still am planning on sending them so info on training...hoping they'll realize they need to take action now.
Quote: I hate to be the dog police, but if you think the dogs are being mistreated, perhaps you could take notes...that way you have a back up. I hate seeing dogs (or animals) being abused.
I don't think they are. From what I've seen, their owners are very loving and affectionate towards them...when they're there. I know that the breed loves human contact and exercise, and it doesn't seem like they're getting enough petting and walks to calm them down. They're wonderful dogs, they just bark too much. |
I don't understand why people who are never home even have dogs. OES are loving dogs who need to be part of the family. What a sad situation, but at least they are not mistreated. |
I was going to say the same thing....sheep dogs DO NOT do well living in backyards. They are best as housedogs where they are with their human companions. They want to be part of the family. When they are brought inside more often the barking will probably subside. |
It sounds like what you are saying is that the dogs are well cared for and the owners seem to love them, but obviously work and when the dogs are left at home they bark. I would simply talk to your neighbor about the barking. Ask them to do something about it. Training, someone hired to come over and care for the dogs, or not to leave them outside when they are not home.
If my dogs bark outside I immediately bring them in. I crate them in the house when I go to work. |
So many times people get dogs without researching the bred or any understanding of its needs. Even after researching the OES and speaking with those who had owned OES, nothing could have prepared me for Bam-Bam. Owning many different breds and mixed dogs through out our lives, the OES has proven to be the most indiviual for us. We have re-arranged our lives to meet his needs and in return he gives back a thousand times over. Obviously these folks mean well, but don't really understand what they have is not your ordinary dog. The OES lives to be near the ones they love. An OES without his flock is an unhappy soul. Thank God there are 2 of them, at least they have each other. |
Quote: I was going to say the same thing....sheep dogs DO NOT do well living in backyards. They are best as housedogs where they are with their human companions. They want to be part of the family. When they are brought inside more often the barking will probably subside.
They are indoors while their owners are gone, and sometimes when their owners are home. The couple is young. When the dogs are outside it is almost always in the pen (unless it's a rare walk). We have spoken to them about the barking but they just seem to deny there is a problem. When they are barking while they are watching TV they'll yell at the dogs to be quiet, which doesn't quiet them down. The dogs have destroyed a $3,000 leather couch. The barking does get annoying at times. I understand dogs need to be vocal but puh-leeze . I let my three bark now and then, but I don't let them bark on and on because it'll annoy the neighbors (some of which happen to dislike dogs). |
There are barking ordinances in some towns. You should check on your local ordinace to see if these people can get fined. It's great that you are so caring about your neighbor's dogs but certainly your quality of life should not have to be effected by non-stop barking. The owners should be responsible. In my neighborhood when a dog starts barking the owners usually bring their dogs inside. |
It might also...First off. Thank you for being so caring!! Another OES angel! It sounds to me like it might be another case of the the owners getting the pups thinking oh they are so pretty and cute lets get one. And then the living with them became harder than the original plan?! I wonder if you offered to "take them off their hands" so they wouldn't have the expense of feeding them and grooming them and cleaning there kennel cause they are soo much work if they wouldn't jump at the offer. Of course, our rescue would be happy to step in. I'm not suggesting you get stuck taking care of them alone. I wonder if they might he greatful for the offer? Just a thought! Keep us posted! |
We've already got three medium-large dogs, so taking in Groucho and Paws isn't an option, unfortuanteley (I'd love to).
I think it was "oh they're so sweet and cute let's get one". When they first moved in, they only had Paws and they were looking to get another sheepdog. They couldn't find any breeders so they bought or got Groucho from friends, I believe. I am going to pester them with articles until they have no choice but to train the dogs or find them a different home. |
Gaddy- how funny to read your post, I was thinking about you earlier and wondered if anything had been resolved. I'm sorry it's not getting better but please keep us updated. |
Thanks for all of your help, guys! I'll keep you updated. |
Well, I've sent them some info on teaching basic commands, how to teach their dogs to walk nicely on a leash and ways to exercise their dogs, and how to properly use a choke collar (was typing that up for another neighbor and decided to send it to them, too). Hopefully they're working with their pups. |
Bam-Bam's Mum wrote: Obviously these folks mean well, but don't really understand what they have is not your ordinary dog. The OES lives to be near the ones they love. An OES without his flock is an unhappy soul.
I've been wanting to get a sheepdog but your comment makes me wonder -- do you think a sheepdog would be unhappy to live with a single person and a senior cat? I'd be interested in everyone's input, and particularly if you are a single person with a sheepdog. . . |
Hi Valerie-
Feel free to read more about these great dogs in the rest of the forum- as you read you'll find that OES LOVE to be with their people. It doesn't mean that there needs to be more than one person- but you have understand they want to be WITH you. They are not happy being stuck out in the yard by themselves- they want to be with you watching tv, cooking, cleaning, napping, bathing (they're famous for shadowing owners into the bathroom)- whatever you're doing, they want to be doing. Many OES families also have cats, just make sure that if you do bring one home, they have experience with cats. Feel free to ask more questions so we can help you better understand the breed! Karen |
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