Obama compared to Hitler?
Last night I'm driving home from work and at the corner of Lake Cook and Sanders there are two guys with fluorescent vests wearing impeachment sign with Obama's picture with Hitler's mustache drawn on his face. They were passing out fliers as well to whomever was ballsy enough to open their window. I guess I don't understand, why is Obama being compared to Hitler? |
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| Likely there is no logical reason. Haters exist no matter what. |
| I've seen that comparison, too. And I don't understand it, either. |
| What did the flier say? I would assume it relates to Obama/government getting involved in controlling private industry and, in extremists' views, leading to controlling everything via one big dictatorship. I don't know about Hitler, though. That's not really the right dictator for comparison in this case, I don't think. Atlas Shrugged is at an all-time high in sales right now, though...  |
ButtersStotch wrote: What did the flier say? Atlas Shrugged is at an all-time high in sales right now, though... What's Atlas Shrugged? I didn't take a flier from him; however, I felt the need to say something to him. I made some comment about how the many Jews in the area wouldn't appreciate his presence there. He responded with something stupid like they would understand not wanting Hitler. I was so irritated my heart was racing. |
Stacy wrote: What's Atlas Shrugged? Atlas Shrugged was a book by Ayn Rand, which many believe was her masterpiece. Her belief was that any artist had right to his/her work and that it should not lose the artists integrity in order to satisfy the masses. It was a brilliant book. |
* Capt. Obvious Danger wrote: Stacy wrote: What's Atlas Shrugged? Atlas Shrugged was a book by Ayn Rand, which many believe was her masterpiece. Her belief was that any artist had right to his/her work and that it should not lose the artists integrity in order to satisfy the masses. It was a brilliant book. Her message was so much more than that. Art in terms of individual ownership was something that she has written and lectured on but Atlas Shrugged (and most of Ayn Rand's political writings) were more political. She was huge on individual rights, capitalism run by a constitutionally-limited government. She was a fierce opponent of all forms of collectivism and statism, especially things like socialism and the welfare state. How did you make it this far in life and not ever hear of Atlas Shrugged? It should be required reading in school. |
| Ayn Rand tends to inspire very intense followings. There is even a fairly large religious group based on her writing As to the Obama/Hitler thing....Ive noticed that it seems to be popular for some people to compare anything they don't like to Hitler/Nazis...I blame Sienfeld.  |
ravenmoonart wrote: Ayn Rand tends to inspire very intense followings. There is even a fairly large religious group based on her writing As to the Obama/Hitler thing....Ive noticed that it seems to be popular for some people to compare anything they don't like to Hitler/Nazis...I blame Sienfeld. What group is that? As a noted atheist, I'm surprised any religious group would be affiliated with her. Or are you talking about the Objectivist movement? But that's anything but religious. |
ButtersStotch wrote: ravenmoonart wrote: Ayn Rand tends to inspire very intense followings. There is even a fairly large religious group based on her writing As to the Obama/Hitler thing....Ive noticed that it seems to be popular for some people to compare anything they don't like to Hitler/Nazis...I blame Sienfeld. What group is that? As a noted atheist, I'm surprised any religious group would be affiliated with her. Or are you talking about the Objectivist movement? But that's anything but religious. Ill try to find to book I read about them in and see...I thought it was bizarre too  seems to me they were classified as neo-pagan (belive-it-or-not!) |
| Most likely it is the theoory that Objectivism is of itself a "religion" because it is " dogmatic, fanatical, absolutist, anti-empirical, people-condemning creed" which is based on the assumption that "some higher power or order of the universe demands that their views are right and that all serious dissenters to their views are for all time wrong" http://royhalliday.home.mindspring.com/ellis.htm |
ravenmoonart wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: ravenmoonart wrote: Ayn Rand tends to inspire very intense followings. There is even a fairly large religious group based on her writing As to the Obama/Hitler thing....Ive noticed that it seems to be popular for some people to compare anything they don't like to Hitler/Nazis...I blame Sienfeld. What group is that? As a noted atheist, I'm surprised any religious group would be affiliated with her. Or are you talking about the Objectivist movement? But that's anything but religious. Ill try to find to book I read about them in and see...I thought it was bizarre too seems to me they were classified as neo-pagan (belive-it-or-not!)Aha!  Found it! The Church of All Worlds. Described in a book about neo-paganism called "Drawing Down the Moon" by Margot Adler. they also site "Stranger in a Strange Land" and other science fiction classics as inspiration for their religion. Had to do some digging in the comparative religions section of my bookshelves! |
ButtersStotch wrote: What did the flier say?I would assume it relates to Obama/government getting involved in controlling private industry and, in extremists' views, leading to controlling everything via one big dictatorship. I don't know about Hitler, though. That's not really the right dictator for comparison in this case, I don't think. that's what I was thinking too, maybe more meaning a socialist dictatorship like Lenin or Stalin. |
kerry wrote: Most likely it is the theoory that Objectivism is of itself a "religion" because it is " dogmatic, fanatical, absolutist, anti-empirical, people-condemning creed" which is based on the assumption that "some higher power or order of the universe demands that their views are right and that all serious dissenters to their views are for all time wrong" http://royhalliday.home.mindspring.com/ellis.htm That definitely a pretty one sided opinion from Roy Halliday, whoever that is-- and not really true. "Some higher power or order of the universe demands that their views are right and that all serious dissenters to their views are for all time wrong" is actually kind of the opposite of what Objectivism says. Listen to Ayn Rand instead, it's her movement. She gets to call it.  This is a nice intro straight from her mouth as to what it's about:http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer? ... vism_intro |
| I was just pointing out an argument to call objectivism a religion - I thought i had remembered reading one But I make no judgements on it or th eargument at all. |
kerry wrote: I was just pointing out an argument to call objectivism a religion - I thought i had remembered reading one But I make no judgements on it or th eargument at all. It wasn't directed at you at all, I just quoted it so it made sense. Just a general message to people if they wanted her actual point of view, which I'm always happy to provide. |
barney1 wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: What did the flier say?I would assume it relates to Obama/government getting involved in controlling private industry and, in extremists' views, leading to controlling everything via one big dictatorship. I don't know about Hitler, though. That's not really the right dictator for comparison in this case, I don't think. that's what I was thinking too, maybe more meaning a socialist dictatorship like Lenin or Stalin. I also had no trouble seeing that was the point of it. Definitely doesn't deserve to be compared to someone so evil. I realllllllllllly dislike the guy and see why they used him though. |
| Ahhh--Atlas Shrugged! Should be required reading for all Students in American schools--including all who come from other countries to get an American education. |
| I always thought it had something to do with eugenics since the first time I saw this comparison it was video of a town hall meeting regarding health care and an interview With the sign-holder vaguely sticks in my mind. It matters not- the comparison is vile and disgusting and only serves to distract from the conversation. It allowed many but especially Barney Frank to refuse to answer any questions raised by conservatives, as in every single interview he just turned every question into villification of the sign carryers. It was counterproductive. It's not going to sway any undecided voter to their side. It could ONLY serve the purposes of the victimized/smeared party. Besides all of that, it is a vile and disgusting thing to do and is disrespectful of our president and all 11 million civilian victims of the holocaust and 50+ million military casualties of the war. |
| But it also exercises one of the main rights that out country stands on: freedom of speech. |
| Yes. Disgusting and vile speech is still allowed. I also agree with the right to burn the flag which is a nasty thing to do. Interestingly, the only time I'd consider burning the flag would be to protest any law banning flag burning. I'm complicated. |
Ron wrote: Yes. Disgusting and vile speech is still allowed. I also agree with the right to burn the flag which is a nasty thing to do. Interestingly, the only time I'd consider burning the flag would be to protest any law banning flag burning. I'm complicated. Ahh you are just a product of your times - |
| We all are, but I'm not sure what you mean! |
| You lived through the 70's - we are all complicated. |
| personally, i liked the fountainhead much better....it was up my alley!! i agree with a lot of her opinions....and it SHOULD be a must read for all students.... |
ButtersStotch wrote: What did the flier say? I would assume it relates to Obama/government getting involved in controlling private industry and, in extremists' views, leading to controlling everything via one big dictatorship. I don't know about Hitler, though. That's not really the right dictator for comparison in this case, I don't think. Atlas Shrugged is at an all-time high in sales right now, though... please exquse me but im stll learning site this is what my oscer dogger looked like i miss him so bad the dog in this pic could have been his brother there were 13 others met 4 in my travels around town 2 b&w 2 gry&b maybe someone could help me upload pics have about 15 raw@suddenlink.net dont worry about raw just my initals randy allen waldo |
| I haven't read Atlas Shrugged, but it will be my next read. It sure sounds interesting. BTW: Jo I also really dislike the guy, it was my orginal thought and it get worse every day. |
| It's no secret, I am opposed to Obama, but (especially as a Jewish Woman) I find the comparision offensive. |
Chauncey wrote: BTW: Jo I also really dislike the guy, it was my orginal thought and it get worse every day. "the guy"in my post is Obama. I don't think the comparison with Hiter is appropriate. |
| I think the comparison may also be related to the "reverse" racism we white folk seem to get from a lot of African American activists. I think the favoritism shown by people of color towards people of color is unappreciated by a lot of conservatives. Personally, I just want less government and less government spending. Health plans for government officials should be capped at a ridiculous amount per person instead of an obscene amount. |
Chauncey wrote: Chauncey wrote: BTW: Jo I also really dislike the guy, it was my orginal thought and it get worse every day. "the guy"in my post is Obama. I don't think the comparison with Hiter is appropriate. Just the word Hitler is offensive and disgusting - I, too, do not appreciate all the government intervention being shoved down my throat. There has to be a middle ground between insurance companies ruling the world and socialized health insurance/medicine, BUT, I wouldn't use Hitler to make my point, it would lose all its effect because of the intense hate he represented. |
| I thought it was to do with the health bill. Free medical care for all is quite a socialist idea and the Nazi party was technically a National Socialist party. Though trying to find reasons for hateful actions like that is much like trying to eat the wind. |
mastergorf wrote: I thought it was to do with the health bill. Free medical care for all is quite a socialist idea and the Nazi party was technically a National Socialist party. Though trying to find reasons for hateful actions like that is much like trying to eat the wind. As a Canadian (Canada has a national health care program), I don't think that it is accurate to compare a country with social programs to Nazi Germany. It isn't quite as black and white as a writer like Ayn Rand might make it seem (as understandable as her stance may be, having had the experiences she did). There are shades of grey in there! We have many social programs in Canada, but I do not feel in any way that we can be compared with Nazi Germany. It is an error when the media, politicians et al, (particularly in the U.S. these days-given your current health care debate) claim that Canadian health care is free. We pay for it in the higher taxes we pay. I rather like to think of it as all Canadians paying a premium via their taxes so that we can all access health care when we need it. Pretty much the same model that insurance companies use, but without the profit margin.  I am happy to pay those higher taxes if it means my neighbour doesn't lose her home to pay for her medical bills because she became ill. I am even happy to pay higher taxes so that the layabout 20 year old with no job can get health care if he needs it (I am perhaps overly optimistic that the layabout 20 year old will mature one day).I think that the use of dramatic slogans invoking Hitler distract Americans from the real debate. There IS a cost to national health care, it has to be financed via higher taxes. It can also result in waiting lists for some care (getting a hip replaced in Canada can take some time), as more people are able to access the care. There is also an economic cost to NOT having national health care-via lost tax revenue when people can't work because they can't get better because they can't afford to get health care when they are ill. And, of course, the 'social' cost of someone being ill and left untreated. It irritates me when such sign carriers distract people from good old healthy discussion. There are valid arguments to be made both for and against any country having a national health care program. Whatever the U.S. ends up doing, I hope that it is the result of robust debate and not sign waving histrionics. Now where did Mady go, she was right here when I started typing...Oh, there she is, on my feet...  |
| Besides all of that, it is a vile and disgusting thing to do and is disrespectful of our president and all 11 million civilian victims of the holocaust and 50+ million military casualties of the war. This man makes me so totally SICK to MY STOMACH that it is unreal. He is NOT my President, he has NO Respect for this country and yes I do equate him to Hitler and all his Socialist attitudes. He is hell bent on ruining this countries infrastructure. The best thing would be for him to be removed from office sooner rather than later in any way possible. He hates our Military....... is afraid of other World Power members and wants to be "friends" with all instead of RESPECTED by them. We are now the biggest laughing stock to other people as where the world would come to the U.S. when help was needed, now they just laugh at us or call us the 'reason' for the problem. How sad for our wonderful Nation. This "man" has never done anything wornderful in his past. He never led anything before. He just sort of 'appeard' out of no where and was bankrolled by someone/committee with a lot of money to get him in. Yes, I can see the comparison and his wife isn't any better. Sad Sad Sad.............I remember watching the families in USSR on the tv standing in line on Mondays for bread, Tuesdays for shoes etc. and he won't be happy until this country is the same. And he can go and take Pelosi and Reid with him and both My husband and I would be the happiest person in the world! The "National Insurance" is going to be a joke, a very very EXPENSIVE joke, we are already feeling the pinches of...... |
Ali wrote: Besides all of that, it is a vile and disgusting thing to do and is disrespectful of our president and all 11 million civilian victims of the holocaust and 50+ million military casualties of the war. This man makes me so totally SICK to MY STOMACH that it is unreal. He is NOT my President, he has NO Respect for this country and yes I do equate him to Hitler and all his Socialist attitudes. He is hell bent on ruining this countries infrastructure. The best thing would be for him to be removed from office sooner rather than later in any way possible. He hates our Military....... is afraid of other World Power members and wants to be "friends" with all instead of RESPECTED by them. We are now the biggest laughing stock to other people as where the world would come to the U.S. when help was needed, now they just laugh at us or call us the 'reason' for the problem. How sad for our wonderful Nation. This "man" has never done anything wornderful in his past. He never led anything before. He just sort of 'appeard' out of no where and was bankrolled by someone/committee with a lot of money to get him in. Yes, I can see the comparison and his wife isn't any better. Sad Sad Sad.............I remember watching the families in USSR on the tv standing in line on Mondays for bread, Tuesdays for shoes etc. and he won't be happy until this country is the same. And he can go and take Pelosi and Reid with him and both My husband and I would be the happiest person in the world! The "National Insurance" is going to be a joke, a very very EXPENSIVE joke, we are already feeling the pinches of...... I wish I had a "like" button... |
Abuckie wrote: Ali wrote: Besides all of that, it is a vile and disgusting thing to do and is disrespectful of our president and all 11 million civilian victims of the holocaust and 50+ million military casualties of the war. This man makes me so totally SICK to MY STOMACH that it is unreal. He is NOT my President, he has NO Respect for this country and yes I do equate him to Hitler and all his Socialist attitudes. He is hell bent on ruining this countries infrastructure. The best thing would be for him to be removed from office sooner rather than later in any way possible. He hates our Military....... is afraid of other World Power members and wants to be "friends" with all instead of RESPECTED by them. We are now the biggest laughing stock to other people as where the world would come to the U.S. when help was needed, now they just laugh at us or call us the 'reason' for the problem. How sad for our wonderful Nation. This "man" has never done anything wornderful in his past. He never led anything before. He just sort of 'appeard' out of no where and was bankrolled by someone/committee with a lot of money to get him in. Yes, I can see the comparison and his wife isn't any better. Sad Sad Sad.............I remember watching the families in USSR on the tv standing in line on Mondays for bread, Tuesdays for shoes etc. and he won't be happy until this country is the same. And he can go and take Pelosi and Reid with him and both My husband and I would be the happiest person in the world! The "National Insurance" is going to be a joke, a very very EXPENSIVE joke, we are already feeling the pinches of...... I wish I had a "like" button... Ditto... |
 By comparing Hitler to any American politician we happen to disagree with, all we do is diminish the magnitude of the atrocities committed by him and his Third Reich. Soon, we will lose the generation of folks who lived through WWII, including survivors of the Holocaust as well as servicemen who witnessed the horrors of Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka. Already there are people around the world, including American citizens, who believe that the Holocaust is a hoax, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary. When the people who lived through WWII are gone, it will make it that much easier to pretend that the Holocaust never happened. As difficult as it is, we need to remember the atrocities of Hitler and the Third Reich, in order not to see such a horror happen again. By comparing Hitler to any American politician we want to demonize, we only minimize and diminish the loss of 6 million Jews, plus hundreds of thousands of others. IMHO. Laurie |
Oscar's Mom wrote: :tea: By comparing Hitler to any American politician we happen to disagree with, all we do is diminish the magnitude of the atrocities committed by him and his Third Reich. Soon, we will lose the generation of folks who lived through WWII, including survivors of the Holocaust as well as servicemen who witnessed the horrors of Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka. Already there are people around the world, including American citizens, who believe that the Holocaust is a hoax, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary. When the people who lived through WWII are gone, it will make it that much easier to pretend that the Holocaust never happened. As difficult as it is, we need to remember the atrocities of Hitler and the Third Reich, in order not to see such a horror happen again. By comparing Hitler to any American politician we want to demonize, we only minimize and diminish the loss of 6 million Jews, plus hundreds of thousands of others. IMHO. Laurie Very well stated Laurie. Hitler and his atrocities have become casual fodder for someone/something that is hated. I suppose if it's necessary to compare our president to a historical figure, Stalin would be a better fit for social programs and breadlines. I found Mr. Bush and his cabinet horribly distasteful but tried to remind myself that he was the president of our free country and although I did not like nor trust him, the position deserved my respect. Not always successful, but I tried. However, we all forget that the president isn't the only one involved. He can't do squat without the congress involved. Democracy ultimately collapses from the weight of it's structure. Our government in general is on the brink of that collapse. Not because of any certain party but because of the overhead, the process to reach a decision, to govern. Rather than rail against a single person that really has limited power, lets demand a clean up of the system. Our government is a Hot Mess, worse than the BP oil spill. Lets work toward a faster more agile government that doesn't waste precious time deciding who's rights are right. I'm sick of the constant flow of negativity and venom, it only creates an untenable environment. Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, all made my Mom, a life long Republican, SICK! Why? Because of the bitterness they spew. She was a great believer in offering a solution for everyone, not just those that think exactly like you. Now there's something that can be compared to Hitler. If you didn't think like him, possibilities were good that he would have you killed. Ali wrote: This "man" has never done anything wornderful in his past. Our country has a long list of presidents that have not done anything wonderful in their past before taking the office of President. We can start with our most recent, George Bush. I don't count being a governer as that would be doing your job as elected. |
| I've learned over time that very few people can actually discuss politics. Most of the time, the persons (including me) involved are not going to change their position/viewpoint. Doesn't matter what facts are brought up. I miss the days of news reporting, not commentators dispensing opinions instead of facts. I tend to be conservative, though not always. I try to read sources that are more liberal and even more extremely conservative, just for other viewpoints. And I try to remember that I don't know it all. |
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