Why pay more for a quality pup?
I think more than the thought of the money involved, what bothers me most is the fact of always having to worry about what is going to happen next. Not so much from the money angle but from the point that you hate to see your dog not feeling 100%. I worry myself sick over the simple things in their lives. I can't imagine what I'd do if I had to worry about major things all the time. It's bad enough now with 2 seniors. Everyday I am looking at them with an "eagle eye" to see if I notice anything that's just not quite right. And they have been basically healthy dogs their entire lives. |
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| Very true Marilyn, however, most of the posts generally mention the initial cost of purchasing a quality pup. And basically, ""why pay so much when there is a 'breeder' in my area that is selling good looking pups for almost 1/3 of the cost? After ALL I don't want a show dog...just a family dog...so getting from the BYB is good enough!!!!"" ( and, I think this is the mentality that we have to address...for the average buyer to look beyond the price and see what years and years of pain and heartache they and the poor dog may be in for. That testing, quality breeding...etc are not for SHOW..it's for a happy healthy life of the dog!!!!) I guess my post is trying to explain that, in my experience, the BYB dogs have cost me, over the life of the dog, much....much..much more than a quality pup's initial cost. And that is NOT the most important thing!!!! And I am in 100% agreement that cost is secondary...especially when you have to watch your furbaby in pain, and can't do much about it. The quality of life, the happiness these dogs are basically robbed of due to poor breeding, poor socialization, poor living conditions...they have little chance at a normal life even when they are bought....IMHO.... |
Oh Lordy......I have rescue dogs (same thing) I never blinked an eye because we had the means to care for anything down the road. Boy have I paid for anything and everything. I am hoping that the next dog I get will be from a good breeder (I have done so in the past with a lab and Elkhound) I agree people see the 2,000 and up for a well put together dog and feel I can go down the road and get a dog for 600 bucks. It is the same in rescue People say 250 dollars I can go to the pound and get a dog for free. Well that is not true either and rescue dogs are evaluated, shots, altered etc. It is the mentality of people. But I love my rescued high dollar dogs  |
4dognight wrote: Oh Lordy......I have rescue dogs (same thing) I never blinked an eye because we had the means to care for anything down the road. Boy have I paid for anything and everything. I am hoping that the next dog I get will be from a good breeder (I have done so in the past with a lab and Elkhound) I agree people see the 2,000 and up for a well put together dog and feel I can go down the road and get a dog for 600 bucks. It is the same in rescue People say 250 dollars I can go to the pound and get a dog for free. Well that is not true either and rescue dogs are evaluated, shots, altered etc. It is the mentality of people. But I love my rescued high dollar dogs Well said. We call Chloe our "million dollar baby" for good reason. We love our rescue girl and wish she was healthy for longevity, but thats wishful. I didn't understand in the beginning from all the posts about quality breeding. For me, it means a greater chance at a quality life. No one wants to see an animal struggle with issues all the time. |
auntybren wrote: 4dognight wrote: Oh Lordy......I have rescue dogs (same thing) I never blinked an eye because we had the means to care for anything down the road. Boy have I paid for anything and everything. I am hoping that the next dog I get will be from a good breeder (I have done so in the past with a lab and Elkhound) I agree people see the 2,000 and up for a well put together dog and feel I can go down the road and get a dog for 600 bucks. It is the same in rescue People say 250 dollars I can go to the pound and get a dog for free. Well that is not true either and rescue dogs are evaluated, shots, altered etc. It is the mentality of people. But I love my rescued high dollar dogs Well said. We call Chloe our "million dollar baby" for good reason. We love our rescue girl and wish she was healthy for longevity, but thats wishful. I didn't understand in the beginning from all the posts about quality breeding. For me, it means a greater chance at a quality life. No one wants to see an animal struggle with issues all the time. WELL SAID.....and that is exactly what we should be trying to 'nail' when people come onto this site for help!!!! We ALL love our sheepies, unconditionally, with all of our hearts... BUT I will say it.........in NO uncertain terms ..... I would be so much happier if Cosmo was like every other beardie ...doing beardie bounces...smiling...loving life...NO skin issues,,,NO ear issues...NO behaviour issues...AND why??? Because HE WOULD BE HAPPIER!!!!! And to avoid having this kind of problem in the future, I will never buy from a BYB again!!!!! EVER!!!!! I know many will say that buying from an OESCA approved breeder or even a breeder who shows is NO guarentee..but chances are so much greater that there will be NO major problems, and if there is..the breeder will most likely be there to help me and guide me..... |
| None of us wants to produce a litter where there are problems. Genes can be a crap shoot at times even when you think you've covered all the bases. It can be heartbreaking. Hopefully our methods & testing lessen the odds of those kind of things happening. The basic difference should be that we are breeding for a puppy for ourselves to start with. And if the right homes don't come along the rest stay with us until they do. We are not in a hurry to "get them out the door" because another litter is coming along. |
ChSheepdogs wrote: None of us wants to produce a litter where there are problems. Genes can be a crap shoot at times even when you think you've covered all the bases. It can be heartbreaking. Hopefully our methods & testing lessen the odds of those kind of things happening. The basic difference should be that we are breeding for a puppy for ourselves to start with. And if the right homes don't come along the rest stay with us until they do. We are not in a hurry to "get them out the door" because another litter is coming along. We really need more quality breeders to make such honest and direct comments!!!.. Makes perfect sense, that if the 'breeder' most likely be keeping one from the litter, they are committed to producing prime pups..unlike BYB's who probably will not keep any of the puppies...they just lower the price to get all them sold !!!! |
sheepieshake wrote: We really need more quality breeders to make such honest and direct comments!!!.. Makes perfect sense, that if the 'breeder' most likely be keeping one from the litter, they are committed to producing prime pups..unlike BYB's who probably will not keep any of the puppies...they just lower the price to get all them sold !!!! Don't give me too much credit  I have a great mentor  . She is committed 100% to teaching me everything (and it's been going on 12 years now) & that is one of the main things she drilled into me. "You produce them, you be ready to keep them all until the right homes come along & be ready to take them back at any age if the need arises." She can be a tough cookie  |
| A relatively minor point on this topic no one has mentioned yet... Speaking as a person who cares very much about where her hard-earned money goes, even if I "lose" the genetic crap shoot, and end up with a pup from a good breeder who still has issues, at least I know my money is going into more testing for future litters, and they are making an effort to do this right. By the same logic, of course even the worst-bred health-problem laden pup still deserves a good home and love, but I would only feel right about having gotten that pup as a surrender or a rescue, so as not to be supporting a bad breeder. Not so much the $$$ spent...but where it went, if that makes any sense.  |
ravenmoonart wrote: A relatively minor point on this topic no one has mentioned yet... Speaking as a person who cares very much about where her hard-earned money goes, even if I "lose" the genetic crap shoot, and end up with a pup from a good breeder who still has issues, at least I know my money is going into more testing for future litters, and they are making an effort to do this right. By the same logic, of course even the worst-bred health-problem laden pup still deserves a good home and love, but I would only feel right about having gotten that pup as a surrender or a rescue, so as not to be supporting a bad breeder. Not so much the $$$ spent...but where it went, if that makes any sense. Makes perfect sense, Laurel.. Actually I was just reading in the OESCA Times about a 5 year old (i think) and his sibling who died from some kind of disease and the breeder stated that they, the puppies, helped H and R gain knowlege by blood studies and by an autopsy~~~ ( I am sure someone knows more about this)~~This is just another part of responsible breeders..when things DO go wrong, let's try to help, find out why, and better the breed..... So I do agree with everything you said ..... |
| Val you hit the nail on the head. The dogs would be happier thus we would be happier about their health. I am by no means telling folks not to get a rescued dog. I have had rescues that were fime and a well bred dog that had some health issues (blown disc from jumping off the deck, it was a lab of course) I feel so bad for Guinness and all his hip issues But temperment wise he is the best!! If you want a recyced dog by all means adopt. Just don't go to a puppy store that promotes puppy mills that keep dogs in horrid conditions or a BYB that cranks pups out every time momma comes into heat. The breeder of my lab was a BYB but bred marvelous pups. Hunting dogs,she only had a litter every two years. They had deposits on them in utero!! My elkhound's father had a champion title. I may never buy a dog. My heart is into dogs that deserve a better life. My first OES was a puppy mill dog(over 30 years ago) she died of mamallary cancer. She was the best. I did not know about puppy mills till I got her but was already in love. I promote rescue but also educate folks on how to buy a dog. |
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