Westminster PETA Appearance
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100217/ap_on_sp_ot/dog_show |
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| I saw that happen-- my friend actually texted me because she knew I had it on the DVR and could go back. It made me mad. These poor people/dogs work so hard to get to where they were, pretty much the top of the game, and a couple of !@#$s with signs show up just to make a commotion and ruin the moment. Very nice. |
| I am all for animal rights but give it a break. How awful that these jerks ruined the experience for some........... |
4dognight wrote: I am all for animal rights but give it a break. How awful that these jerks ruined the experience for some...........
I completely agree. Extremely selfish move to get a little airtime by ruining someone else's moment. I think PETA continues to miss the mark and alienate people that otherwise might sympathize with their cause. |
| I watched the entire show, but did not see it. I too am for all animals, but the extremist ruin it for all. They are doing more bad than good. |
| And I thought lasts years KKK dress up party outside was bad. They should permanently ban them from the Garden. |
| Ever so briefly, less than a second, a placard flashed on the TV as the springer was setting up for judging.
All in all the production didn't go well. Announcers coming up with new and creative names for the dogs, flubbed lines, etc. Fortunately the dogs and handlers were spot on. Now granted I missed a lot of the show both nites so maybe I was more critical of booboos because I saw so little overall. |
| Animal rights includes, in today's vernacular the right for animals to be free of people - ie no pet ownership. I am all for the true humane treatment of animals, but I neither believe they are legally equal to human beings nor should be totally devoid of ownership. PETA and HSUS have very many well meaning people working toward their real goal which is the elimination of pet ownership.
Someone has called it the evil leading the clueless. |
kerry wrote: Animal rights includes, in today's vernacular the right for animals to be free of people - ie no pet ownership. I am all for the true humane treatment of animals, but I neither believe they are legally equal to human beings nor should be totally devoid of ownership. PETA and HSUS have very many well meaning people working toward their real goal which is the elimination of pet ownership.
Someone has called it the evil leading the clueless. I disagree. The term "animal rights" encompasses a broad range of theory and thought, much of which either disagrees with or does not approach the premise that animals should not be owned by people. The most famous animal rights theorists don't share the same views as PETA, and it is wrong to appropriate PETA's views to an entire movement just because they are the most vocal or well known. It's much like the feminist movement where there are conflicting or complementary views on the subject. |
Quote: Two members of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals walked into the center ring at Madison Square Garden and held up signs that said "Mutts Rule" and "Breeders Kill Shelter Dogs' Chances," the latter a slogan popularized by PETA. The crowd of 15,000 gasped at the protest, then booed the well-dressed women and cheered as security ushered them away without incident. The women, who acted on their own but were supported by PETA, were charged with criminal trespass, police said. What is crazy to me is that most of these breeders: 1. Don’t over breed 2. Do everything to ensure their dogs go to the right homes so they don’t end up in shelters 3. Breed their dogs to prevent genetic problems in dogs. It is one thing to protest a puppy mill but to protest against a bunch of people that have probably adopted many sheltered dogs is terrible. |
| I am all for animal rights too and feel some laws should be expanded and enforced to keep our animals safe. But PETA goes a bit far in my opinion. I used to be a member of that organization and contributed to it regularly but after reading their magazine and seeing some of the ads, I no longer agree with their tactics.
Instead of picketing at a dog show they should be over at the horse and buggy stable where the horses' care is close to neglect....And their next stop can be the dog racing track... |
HeatherRWM wrote: kerry wrote: Animal rights includes, in today's vernacular the right for animals to be free of people - ie no pet ownership. I am all for the true humane treatment of animals, but I neither believe they are legally equal to human beings nor should be totally devoid of ownership. PETA and HSUS have very many well meaning people working toward their real goal which is the elimination of pet ownership. Someone has called it the evil leading the clueless. I disagree. The term "animal rights" encompasses a broad range of theory and thought, much of which either disagrees with or does not approach the premise that animals should not be owned by people. The most famous animal rights theorists don't share the same views as PETA, and it is wrong to appropriate PETA's views to an entire movement just because they are the most vocal or well known. It's much like the feminist movement where there are conflicting or complementary views on the subject. Really? Animal rights connotes legal status for animals. Humane treatment does not. The only definitions a web search brings up for the phrase animal rights include the terms animal liberation or the phrase "The movement to protect animals from being used, exploited, or regarded as property by humans". On th eother hand, a search for humane treatment does not mention legal status or liberation, but rather the definition of humane from the "The Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English. 2009. Encyclopedia.com. 17 Feb. 2010 hu·mane / (h)yoōˈmān/ • adj. 1. having or showing compassion or benevolence: regulations ensuring the humane treatment of animals. ∎ inflicting the minimum of pain: humane methods of killing. or from Macmillian: caring about the quality of people’s or animal’s lives and trying to be kind to them Thank you very much but I will stick with my phraseology which recognizes animals as property, you stick with what you get paid for. You can't deny the current usage of the word anymore than you can deny the agenda fo the groups which define it. |
HeatherRWM wrote: kerry wrote: Animal rights includes, in today's vernacular the right for animals to be free of people - ie no pet ownership. I am all for the true humane treatment of animals, but I neither believe they are legally equal to human beings nor should be totally devoid of ownership. PETA and HSUS have very many well meaning people working toward their real goal which is the elimination of pet ownership. Someone has called it the evil leading the clueless. I disagree. The term "animal rights" encompasses a broad range of theory and thought, much of which either disagrees with or does not approach the premise that animals should not be owned by people. The most famous animal rights theorists don't share the same views as PETA, and it is wrong to appropriate PETA's views to an entire movement just because they are the most vocal or well known. It's much like the feminist movement where there are conflicting or complementary views on the subject. True, their message this time was essentially "purebred= bad, mutts =good." It wasn't animal rights-y really, just inappropriate. |
kerry wrote: Thank you very much but I will stick with my phraseology which recognizes animals as property, you stick with what you get paid for. You can't deny the current usage of the word anymore than you can deny the agenda fo the groups which define it. I think it's pretty ironic that you admonish people for using the term "puppy mill" but do a couple google searches and think you have mastered an entire philosophical movement. I don't think there is a cup of tea big enough for you or your posts Kerry. |
Ashley wrote: Instead of picketing at a dog show they should be over at the horse and buggy stable where the horses' care is close to neglect....And their next stop can be the dog racing track... Really do we know that the horse are neglected, or ar we reading what the rights movement wants us to think? "The report marked the first time the comptroller's office scrutinized the city's monitoring of the carriage horse industry, which has long drawn complaints from animal-rights advocates. NYC has very strict animal treatment laws. Remember these are the laws that were used to stop child labor in the city going back over 100 years (The Story of Mary Ellen," American Humane Association, http://www.americanhumane.org/site/Page ... en_wheeler)). And they have only gotten stronger. The facts are "the audit found that there isn't adequate shade, enough water spigots or drains for waste along Central Park South, where the carriages wait for passengers...Neither the ASPCA inspector, not the NYOHMH vetinarian consultant found any evidence of serious violations of health and safety of the horses." Well the shade is the same for the horses and anyone walking in central park and perhaps the routes should be changed? Too few water spigots don't mean the horses aren't getting water, no where is that claim made in the audit. The drainage issue is a public health issue and NYC needs to address it. The real audit was a another example of administrators not doing their jobs, not horses being mistreated. http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/audit/PDF_FILES/MH07_092A.pdf |
Whatever is written in that report speaks for itself I guess. I just know anytime I've been in the City, I see those poor horses baking out there in the sun and it breaks my heart....  |
HeatherRWM wrote: kerry wrote: Thank you very much but I will stick with my phraseology which recognizes animals as property, you stick with what you get paid for. You can't deny the current usage of the word anymore than you can deny the agenda fo the groups which define it. I think it's pretty ironic that you admonish people for using the term "puppy mill" but do a couple google searches and think you have mastered an entire philosophical movement. I don't think there is a cup of tea big enough for you or your posts Kerry. I did a google search to show you the common day usage of the term as compared to the academic usage. Like puppymill you have to assume the current usage, not what was once meant. If PETA and HSUS have coopted a term, perhaps its with the best wishes of the other users. I may not have mastered the movement started by Henry Spira after taking a course form Peter SInger in NYU which is rumored to have been an experiment in starting a sociological experiment if I remember correctly - and I usually do - but I do know that no discussion of the movement ever leaves out the term animal liberation or a call for legal status. I may not be an adherent of the philosophy but with an undergrad in philosophy I can read their treatises, and with my doctoral work in Public Admin I do know something about getitng on and coopting the public agenda. Sorry tea isn't meant for when we are under seige and we are under seige by this group. As a pet owner, you should recognize this, how would you like to be brought up on charges for not taking your dog to the vet soon enough, or be charged for neglect if he got into something he shouldn't? |
I was watching and saw none of this nonsense. Wish I had. I was due a good laugh 
The Scottie was magnificent. I saw her in group and was just smitten. Perfection personified and I'm not even a terrier person  It was easy to see how she trotted away with the elusive triple crown. A Champion through and through. And the interview with her handler? All credit to the the dog, their relationship <sniff> I'm not a mushy person either, but the gentleman moved me. He *gets* it.
Let a couple of the usual suspect misanthropists ruin it? Not a chance! 
Kristine |
| I had to tape last night (long story involving snow and a full coated OES) but I can't wait to watch. And I was sufferring Scottie envy before this ever since seeing a few at a CPE trial in December.
Imagine a few OES, and a few Scotties - imagine the Christmas card photos (okay arbor day card photos  ) |
kerry wrote: I had to tape last night (long story involving snow and a full coated OES) but I can't wait to watch. And I was sufferring Scottie envy before this ever since seeing a few at a CPE trial in December.
Imagine a few OES, and a few Scotties - imagine the Christmas card photos (okay arbor day card photos )
You probably have the right temperment to live with them. If I acquired a Scottie, within three months, the resident OES and I would all be at her beck and call, and she'd be running the place
All dogs in coat and groomed out though, yikes, what a pretty picture indeed. I was doing my customary "window shopping" in the event that I ever succumbed to the inclination to own another breed, and, you're really going to laugh here - and I wouldn't get one, because I don't want to live with a breed that sheds - but I was looking at the Norwegian Buhund thinking, hm, I bet your an athletic dog who would enjoy agility... 
I'll grant you, there some bias there.
Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: I was doing my customary "window shopping" in the event that I ever succumbed to the inclination to own another breed, and, you're really going to laugh here - and I wouldn't get one, because I don't want to live with a breed that sheds - but I was looking at the Norwegian Buhund thinking, hm, I bet your an athletic dog who would enjoy agility... I'll grant you, there some bias there. Kristine Just like Kerry Blue Terrier period, or my Borzoi period (formerly known as Russian wolfhounds)  |
kerry wrote: Mad Dog wrote: I'll grant you, there some bias there. Kristine Just like Kerry Blue Terrier period, or my Borzoi period (formerly known as Russian wolfhounds) \ Kerry Blue. No! Come on. That one is just too obvious! (and no fair! Do I have a breed named after me? Heck no! )
They are gorgeous dogs, though. Just, again, too much dog for me. Borzoi? Too big for my personal taste, but ELEGANT. Wow! Kristine |
HeatherRWM wrote: kerry wrote: Thank you very much but I will stick with my phraseology which recognizes animals as property, you stick with what you get paid for. You can't deny the current usage of the word anymore than you can deny the agenda fo the groups which define it. I think it's pretty ironic that you admonish people for using the term "puppy mill" but do a couple google searches and think you have mastered an entire philosophical movement. I don't think there is a cup of tea big enough for you or your posts Kerry. |
Willowsprite wrote: HeatherRWM wrote: I don't think there is a cup of tea big enough for you or your posts Kerry. Huh? A truth spoken doesn't become teacup worthy just because you don't happen to agree with it, and especially not when actually argued logically and based on facts. If you don't like a discussion you can always do what I do when I don't have the time or inclination to give something serious thought and simply stick my fingers in my ears, or my hands over my eyes as the case may be, and pretend I don't see it...falalalala Where's the emoticon for that?
The teacup one was well intended, perhaps, but its use has been misappropriated. Falalalala...
Still lovin' that Scottie!!!
Fallalala. Oh, wait. That reminds me. The Scottie has been the breed of choice of at least two presidents that I can think of off the top of my head. An opinionated one, too! The Scottie, not the president.
Kristine |
| My post was simply in admiration of Heather speaking her mind and nothing more. |
Willowsprite wrote: My post was simply in admiration of Heather speaking her mind and nothing more.
Well, good point. Very hard to do these days without getting tea cups lobbed at you
Kristine |
| The teacup shouldn't be used as an offensive device, my intent was, I suppose, for it to be used to remind someone that they need to be less confrontational.
Look, we have thousands of members, perhaps a few to several hundred who stop by regularly. We aren't going to agree about everything. There will be people who breed, "reputable" or "BYB", there will be customers of both. There will be rescue folks and people who believe in more animal rights than others. There will be dockers and anti-dockers, croppers and anti-croppers. There will be Cesar Milan lovers and haters, and there will be folks who can't stand my guts (Joan posted recently, no?). But we all love our OES, and we need to love them enough to respect each other and be civil towards one another, always. Otherwise this community will wither on the vine and it won't be here when someone (maybe you) needs it. |
Mad Dog wrote: Willowsprite wrote: HeatherRWM wrote: I don't think there is a cup of tea big enough for you or your posts Kerry. Huh? A truth spoken doesn't become teacup worthy just because you don't happen to agree with it, and especially not when actually argued logically and based on facts. If you don't like a discussion you can always do what I do when I don't have the time or inclination to give something serious thought and simply stick my fingers in my ears, or my hands over my eyes as the case may be, and pretend I don't see it...falalalala Where's the emoticon for that? The teacup one was well intended, perhaps, but its use has been misappropriated. Falalalala... Still lovin' that Scottie!!! Fallalala. Oh, wait. That reminds me. The Scottie has been the breed of choice of at least two presidents that I can think of off the top of my head. An opinionated one, too! The Scottie, not the president. Kristine Roosevelt (owned two) and (gulp) Gearge W. for thoise of us who are curious. |
| And out of all of the dogs in the finals, the Scotty is my least favorite.
But I also thought the Golden deserved a better finish. So what do I know. |
| I loved the Westie because of Max my 15 yr old Westie. Besides OES, it's my favourite breed. That Westie was gorgeous!!
Anyone know much or have owned a PBGB? I'm in love with them too as well as the Dandie Dinmont.  |
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