need info (checking for addison disease)

hi,
The update to Bentley now 18 weeks old 54 lbs is checking for addison disease. I can't believe I am going thru this. He can not stop peeing. I can believe I got a sick puppy. Not sure I am up for this if it comes back positive. I am done with ever getting a oes again. Got this one from Texas.
Depressed. Does anyone have experience with this?

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Have you had other OES with this problem before? Have you spoken with the breeder?

Breathe...
How long have you had the pup?
At that young of an age I doubt it is Cushings.
(Certainly not a vet)

I have a lot of thoughts but, what is his water
intake like?
If he was in a situation where it was not always
available he may be "splurging"

How long have you had him?

Lots of questions...please feel free to PM me so,
we can talk about this little pee issue!

Good Luck!

oh Lynn; I'm SO sorry you are going through this!!! Hopefully you can ride it out, that Bentley's illness won't be serious and will pass and he'll heal, and you will grow to enjoy this breed as so many of us have.

I too was given pups that were sick from a breeder that didn't care for them properly. I swear I was at the vet constantly when they were little. But in time it passed, and they are healthy and strong and lovely dogs now. I'm so sorry you are going through this; please keep posting and let us know what you find out. Hopefully some of the people here will have had similar experiences and can assist you with what they did in your position.

Wow. Addison's in a puppy? I hope not!

I have they considered renal dysplasia? It's not particularly common, but it does occur. Presume bloodwork has been done. Do kidneys feel normal upon palpitation? Ultrasound, perhaps?

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

kristine

Hold your breath till you actually have a confirmed diagnosis of addisons, in that age I cant see that at all with one so young.

Hopefully just a UTI or some other simple underlying problem with the constant peeing.

Have you taken a urine sample to the vets? Have blood tests been done?

I've known of a sheepie with addisons, he was well over 5 when diagnosed and with daily medication lived to an age of 10.

Never heard of it in one so at the baby stage, so dont panick yet see what has actually been confirmed when all your results come back. Hopefully not what you thought might be and just a simple UTI that can be cleared up quickly. :crossed:

I know firsthand how hard this is. I've been there.

Many possible causes for your dog's issues may involve a few weeks of medication or a procedure to correct. It may well be that a few weeks from now you'll be past this.

It is also possible that you may get a diagnosis that requires medication long term. While inconvenient, putting a pill a day into a piece of cheese (or a mini marshmallow, my dogs love that) may control the issue for life.

I had a dog with a lot of medical needs. He took pills daily, and had Metacam on his food each morning. He required some surgeries as well. It wasn't cheap, but it wasn't prohibitive either. And the total time spent dealing with medical issues was probably a very small portion of one percent of his day.

He lived for ten years. With all the strikes he had against him some would have let him go at a very young age, but everything was treatable or correctable.

He will always be in my heart. He was the most amazing dog, and I was so lucky to have him for as long as I did. I would have loved for him to not have medical needs, but he had a wonderful, full, happy life, and shared it with me.

It's really scary for you now, but there's a really good chance that this will be okay. I'm so sorry that you and your dog are going through this. We'll keep you both in our thoughts.

Tonks was recently diagnosed with Urinary incontinance; something she'd suffered with on and off even before we spayed her. It was manageable, and recently became way too frequent to tolerate. She'd be embarrassed and I was cleaning up a lot of pee from places pee should never be. So the vet put her on Proin. I drop it on top of each meal and Tonks eats it with the rest of her kibble. No fuss whatsoever.

Now I will say STRONGLY that Proin isn't appropriate for puppies. I know this first hand; when we had this issue early on, our old vet prescribed Proin and Tonks got REALLY, really sick from it. It was what made me leave that vet and find one that knew better.

Hello everyone,
Thank you for your love and support but GREAT news, Bentley does not have addisons!!!!!! Ya!!!!! We are happy to know that he is healthy as of today. All of the testing is now complete. 2 ultrasounds, blood tests, urine tests, antibotics since 8 weeks old. I feel I have done everything to make sure he is healthy. I am hoping the peeing stops though. Excitement peeing. We are doing everything we can but I have to say I am not used to having a dirty kitchen!!! I am constantly cleaning the floor.
I have 2 cats and 2 dogs along with Bentley so I am used to having animals. I also had a 15 yr old female oes that I lost last year.
I am hoping to get some kind of connection with him but I know I feel different with him. Bentley does not know it but I do. I spend most of my days in the kitchen with him playing or babysitting!! Is it horrible that I wonder if I should find him a good home?? I have never done this. Still not sure i can but feeling alittle confused.

lynnewithbentley wrote:

Lynn;

when I got Tonks and Luna, then came to me very sick. They also had LOTS of peeing due to urinary tract infections, and because of a poor start in life, we had problems with pooping in the house too. Seems our breeder (using the word lightly) would put blankets on the floor and leave the litter unattended. They of course soiled the blankets. We came to this conclusion a few weeks into having our pups; we could not for the life of us figure out WHY they kept peeing and pooping on blankets, but if none were available they'd ask to go out. :evil:

In those first months I feel like I never slept. Having sick babies is exhausting and scary. I actually took a leave from work to look after the pups (I was trying to sort out stuff with two pups--what a nightmare!). When I slept, I would wake up having dreamed I heard them crying. I don't think I got a decent night's sleep those first 6 months. Everyone oohs and ahhs over having puppies; they are so cute and fluffy and fun! But i think its easy to forget how hard it can be. I think as you start to have successes, you will bond. When he asks to go out, it will be because you helped him learn that. When he sits on command, when he fetches his toy for you; it will because you guys worked on that together. When all you are doing is sinking energy and money and effort into what you see as an unyeilding, unrelenting problem... well of course you aren't bonded! Its all WORK right now, and none of the pay-off.

You had a sheepdog that you loved very much, for 15 years. In comparison to the round the clock peeing wonder, I'm sure your old Sheepie seems like a dream dog. They say time makes the heart grow fonder; and you had time to forget how tough your old sheepie may have been while a puppy as well. If you can, give Bentley the benefit of some more time. Puppies, ultimately, are tough. But I bet if you guys weather this storm together, its likely you'll both feel pretty good about it! And we're always hear to help, or to just listen when you need to vent!

~Allison

Hi Lynn glad it was not addisons.

If no medical reason for the peeing, also remembering this little guy is still only just over 4 months old. Bladder controll is different on all of them and might need you to maybe just monitor the water intake. That is not having a bowl down full time, just placing it for him to drink on and off through the day and after a drink, 10 to 15 mins later outside to potty. Night time, nothing after 7 till the morning. Last thing at night pee pee time, first thing in the morning before breaky or a drink potty time outside.

Go back to basics with the potty training if no medical reason has been seen. Some catch on quicker then others so just stick to a good schedule during the day and before bed etc with restrictions on the water and hopefully it will all improve.

There all different as to when the potty training kicks in, years ago I thought I would never have one of mine get it, lot later then all the others, no medical reason, just exciteable with the pee that flowed from that. Found monitoring the water, sticking to a strict routine and FINALLY she got it. :wink:

Have to say she was nearly 1 year old, so be patient and when he stops and can hold worth a good celebration for you both.

Other thing with where he has been, make sure a good Enzyme cleaner to completely remove any signs of urine in that area, otherwise it confuses them as they think WOO HOO, sniff sniff, this is my potty area. Also when you do take him outside, on a lead to potty, use a command word like "Potty" when he does, treat him, stand there with the lead on till he goes, wether that be poops or pees, then off lead after, they click on well with you taking that step with him. Also you then can train them as far as the yard goes this is the potty area I would like you to go, not the house. Eventually when more controll and on a strict potty routine and controlling the amount of water, eventually you let him out without being on the lead, most with this sort of training immediately go to there designated potty area outside to go.

Give it time with him, all OES are different in there personalities and really you should not compare on your previous one as each and everyone is so different so each and everyone needs also different training/management as to how they bloom, grow and adapt. Making comparisons only alienates you with the newest one. :wink:

Even my litter mates were vastly different. Tonks was well trained at 4 months and 100% potty trained at 6 months, as all the books say is typical. Luna, her sister, wasn't potty trained until month 10. She just wasn't "getting" it, and I was frustrated. I was willing to try just about anything, and in the end bell training was what did it for her. I hung the bell and she got it almost immediately.

What I read with pups was pee before and after EVERYTHING. Having a meal? take them out when they finish eating. Nap time? Take them to pee as soon as they wake up. Play time? Take them to pee right after. Crazy run around the house? Quickly take them for a pee when they are done. Every single activity stimulates them to have to go; so take them out after every activity. And like suggested, associate the peeing with a command. We accidentally trained our girls to pee when we told them "be good!". They'd pee, and we'd tell them they were " SO GOOD!". We'd take them out and ask, "Can you be good?" and when they peed we'd tell them how good they are. Now they pee when I tell them to "be good".

Hi Lynn ...Its is great Bently checked out ok. You do mention "excitment peeing" Is he peeing at specific times strangers, happy etc..... I had a dog I adopted when she was about 1 year old. Not an oes, but she would be fine most of the time in the house. When she met anyone even people she knew she would pee inside or outside. :oops:

What finally worked for her was if the person would come up to her and ignore and greet only me. After a few minutes she was relaxed enough that they could then pet her and say hello. I know this is not exactly the same, but inconjuction with the other recommendations and some time for him to grow up a little I think Bently and you will be ok.

My Bella will never replace Taylor as Bently will never "completely" replace your other oes. Each pupper brings his own special touches to our lives. Given Bently and yourself some time to grow together

Thank you for all of your support. I will keep trying. He is potty trained which is great!!!!! It's just when people come in my home. Will do what was recommended by you and trainer. Thanks again!!!

lynnewithbentley wrote:

Thank you for all of your support. I will keep trying. He is potty trained which is great!!!!! It's just when people come in my home. Will do what was recommended by you and trainer. Thanks again!!!

Wow - I don't think I ever met a fully trained OES at 18 weeks old. I was just glad at that point if we went an hour without an accident :oops:

Well thats great he is potty trained and quite normal when visitors arrive an excited pee at that age.

You can work around that, if you know you have people arriving, pop him on the lead, go answer the door with him, invite visitors in and take him out straight away to pee, then back inside and let the visitors greet him calmly while he is on the lead, tell them not too much fuss of him as that only excites and hypes him. Keep him on the lead and when the initial excitement wears off only takes a few minutes then he can be let off then for ooohs and aaahhhs by the visitors.

You only need to do that for a little while till he has more controll there when WOO HOO someone new and exciting is over. :wink:

He sound pretty normal to me at that age with the excitement twinkle. Give it time you are doing really well with him being almost there with the potty training now as he developes and blooms more controll will start to happen so wont be too long for that excitement pee to stop when visitors are in your home..

At his age I would of expected heaps of accidents not just excitement pees at visitors so he is doing really well in the potty department :wink:

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