UTI
HELP!!! any suggestion would be great, and what about these crystals IF she has no stones? Thanks so much, Richellle |
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| I don't know anything about kidney stones but I wouldn't put too much stock into the rating system if something medical pops up. Even the best foods don't agree with all dogs even though it seems like they should since they're great! The Hills p/d is not quite the same as the garbage Science Diet that they sell in pet stores. I know several dogs on here are on it because it's the only thing that they do well on. It might be worth a try. |
| I have been back from the vet and no kidney stones. they wanted to stick a needle in her bladder and take a sample again, I said no. There was no bacteria in the sample I took in this morning and just the crystals. If no stones what causes the crystals? The Hills was full of by products and corn I am leary or giving that to her. Right now I am mixing solid gold and the kirkland brand since it rated an A. I am just at a loss, I want to do what is best for my little girl |
| Give the Hills a chance. This may be just a short time feeding.....two to twenty eight weeks in order to dissolve the crystals. Hills is good at dissolving struvite crystals.
There are differenty types of bladder stones and sometimes breed specific, e.g. GSDs tend to get silicate stones, Dalmations get urate stones. I've never heard of an OES specific stone......surely it would be hairy. Why stones form? Many reasons: inadequate water intake, build up of certain minerals, too acidic or alkaline urine, or for reasons unknown. Wondering, is your drinking water high in minerals?? Sometimes putting the dog on distilled water....or at least demineralized water helps. Talk to vet first, though. Prescription foods are often low in protein (which is why they are short time foods) and higher in salt to get the dog to drink more water (hint, keep the water bowls full and expect some puppy accidents or pup in serious need to pee). I know I said the food was usually a short time feed.........sometimes, the dog needs to be on the prescription the rest of its life along with a urine acidifier. Of course no people food while doggie on her special diet. And the bladder test is the way to get a sterile sample. Yes, sometimes there is problem with the taking procedure, the the % is tiny. Many of my guys.....no, mostly girls.....have had the bladder urine draw without problems......though one was good at getting back at the vet, she'd express her anal glands during the procedure. STINKO! Last girl to have this undignified procedure curled her paws this exposing her nails so the vet went ahead and trimmed her nails too! That was a humble Pyr coming back to us  |
| I suppose I can try the food, i am willing to do anything for the better of her. Since my last post the vet called and said she called the Hills people and spoke to their Dr. This is the first time that the urine has showed crystals and was so concentrated, but it was the first urine of the day, which is what they had asked for the last two times i took one in and it was dilutted, not by my choice she woke in the night to pee, last night she didnt. We are on a well so i am not sure about the water, we use a softener so I will go with some city water and see how that goes for her. They want to put her on another antibiotic, this was recomended from the vet from Hills 9 that my vet called ) so i have to go pick that up and start her on that for 2 weeks, that will make a full month of antibiotic. I am not really sure if she drinks enough water really, she has a full bowl all the time as she is really good about ringing the bell to go out, the only time she has accidents is when these nasty uti's pop up, she was really quick to house break as far as puppies go, or at least i thought it was fast. She is my first dog so I am learing as i go.
Thanks so much for all your help, you have no idea how much I am gratefull to you both! have a super day |
| how much water is she getting? only thinking as nothing else really showed up.... in babies if their dehydrated they pee crystals. Or at least that is what I remember in al lthe warning stuff they gave me to watch for.
Snow actually is dehydrating so if she is eating a lot of snow it might work in reverse. Just a thought since you might not see the color of her urine (dark for dehydrated and light to almost clear for good) |
Anonymous wrote: Snow actually is dehydrating so if she is eating a lot of snow it might work in reverse. Snow and ice are not dehydrating in normal circumstances. They aren't as hydrating as straight water but they are, ultimately, still water. The only time that it's suggested that people not eat snow without melting it first is if they're stranded and dehydrated. The snow lowers the core body temperature and can worsen their already fragile condition and, in turn, make them more dehydrated. |
| Plus there's not a lot of water in snow, unless it's slushy. Every try to melt it for water.....zowie it takes a lot of snow. |
| And I learned this past weekend in No Dakota that while humans drop body temperture from eating snow, it doesn't do that to dogs.
But as mentioned, it isn't really a great water source, as it takes a lot of snow to make even a cup of water. |
| As I have recently learned she has an inverted "whowho" and the breeder knew this before she sold her to us, she is registered and I think that it was unfair of them to sell her to use without letting us know this could cause issues. In the last 4 weeks we have spent 381.15 for her uti, not to mention the clean ups around the house and not being able to leave her alone due to frequent peeing, ( not fair to leave her crated when she has to pee every hr) . I called the breeder and she said we could return the puppy. This is the email that I sent her............" Was at the vet again today and picked up Bella's meds. They put her on Clindamycin 75 mg, previously she was on Clavaseptin 250mg. she does have an inverted "whowho". until she grows out of this I can see this costing us some money. So far we have spent $381.15 and I think that this will be a pattern that continues until she out grows this. We really can't leave her alone to long as she has to pee so frequently becasue of the UTI and the carpets have taken a beating even when she is on meds, she thinks it is ok to pee wherever whenever. You mentioned that you knew that one of the pups had this issue but you couldn't remember what one, so I guess we can assume that it was Bella. I was wondering that because you knew this when she was with you and we were not informed about this before we brought her home if you would be willing to pay for half of the vet bills that are due to an UTI? If we knew about this issue then we could have made an informed decision on if we were going to take her or not. Bringing her back is really not an option for us, we have grown attached to her and already and have spent so much time and money on training her, loving her and making her a part of our family. We realize that this is not your fault and we are not blaming you for anything, we love her and think we got an amazing dog from you, we would just like you to consider what we are asking and please let us know what you think."
any advise or comments are welcome, I have no idea how to handle this, i feel like they documented everything else according by what colour ribbon they had on so why would she not have "remembered" what female had this issue and let the buyer know ahead of time. Thanks for all your help and time responding! |
| My oldest girl has this issue. We keep the area clear of excess hair, not a problem with a lab I guess. At least once a week we push against the overlapping skin around the vulva to expose it for extra cleaning with an anti bacterial wipe. Every day she is given cranberry for urinary health. It seems to work. |
| I have been giving her cranberry since this started, and I did trim her hair there, also each time she pee's I use a wipe after. Thanks for the advise! |
| That crossed my mind but it is fairly rare. I asked my vet about it and she said she's seen just a few cases over 30 years.
Well, you have a cause and now the vet can watch. As for getting money out of the breeder, don't hold your breath. You could try small claims court but would have to argue the dog is now part of your family and returning it would also impose emotional stress. (something small claims doesn't allow) You just want some help with the vet bills until the problem is corrected. |
| Well, it wasn't a hidden fault. Why only after 3 months or so you and your vet(s) have discovered it? |
| It was a hidden fault, the breeder knew and sis not disclose. that is a fact. As far as the vet, we only took her there since Dec. and most of the time aside from the xrays this last time I took in the urine sample to have tested |
| Well, an inverted "whowho" (I suppose you mean the vulva) is clearly apparent, especially if it is a short coated breed, such as a Lab, no need to be a rocket scientist to discover that. And didn't you take her to the vet the following days after you purchased the puppy (as all buyers should do)? |
| ............oddly enough I have not heard back from the breeder, if she was not hiding anything why wouldn't she reply when she was so quick to reply to all my other calls and emails........ just a thought! |
| It all depends on the makeup of the crystals but...
If they're struvite crystals, you might ask if a urinary acidifier would help. It might also allow you to keep her on the kibble of your choice. But I don't know if an acidifier is appropriate for a puppy. I've got an OES that arrived at 10 1/2 months of age with house training issues. They found crystals in her initial urine check and subsequent tests also. She went on to have numerous and recurrent UTIs. We did ultrasounds twice and a contrast study... finally opted to have them open her up and look for a problem that might be fixable. It turned out she had a persistent urachus and we had surgically corrected. She hasn't had any UTIs since the surgery which was about 3 years but a urinary ph imbalance with struvite crystals remained. Cranberry capsules and Vitamin C did not fix the problem. We gave her Uroeze for many, many months and switched to Betaine Hydrochloride back in June of last year. It's given with her meals. It was prescribed by an holistic vet and oked by our regular vet as an acceptable choice. Her ph stays at around 6.5 now. Again, I have no idea whether it would help your pup or if it's even appropriate. Again, it depends on the makeup of the crystals. Just something to run by your vet the next time you're in. We just never truly know what we're getting when we buy or adopt a living, breathing creature. I hope your little one will do well. Oh, if you need to encourage water intake, ask about adding a splash of low salt or homemade beef or chicken broth to her water between meals. |
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