Questions about breeders
This website is great! I am in search of finding a OES breeder. This will be my first OES, and have spent the past few months doing research on the breed and breeders. I have to have the puppy shipped to me and I have been in touch with a few different breeders and am deciding between a few. Can anyone give me information on Victoria's Angel's OES puppies? Or Rolling Acres farm? Thanks so much! |
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| While I will not publicly give my personal opinion on different breeders, I will guide you in what to make sure any breeder you contact must provide you.
First and foremost, health certifications. OFA or here in Canada OVC certifications. This is certifying that the parents are clear of Hip Dysplasia. Then there is CERF, which is a certification against any eye problems. Any breeder who truly has done these will be proud to show you the actual certificates from these registries. NEVER just take their word, or them saying "my vet said they were perfect". Secondly, look for a breeder who shows their dogs. While I am sure you are only looking for a companion and not a show dog, there will be a difference in quality. Breeders who show their dogs are striving to breed to our Breed Standard. Look at a picture of a well-bred OES pup and one from a line of dogs who were never shown. You will see a huge difference. Ask where the dogs are raised. Ask how long the pups stay with their moms. Ask about how their pups are socialized. Ask for references from people who have their dogs, especially if you are not close enough to visit yourself. Ask about any health problems in the lines. Ask about their contract and health guarantee. Basically, ask lots of questions, and remember, while a quality bred OES is definately going to cost you more from a reputable well-known breeder, you are also going to get a lifetime of support as well as the peace of mind that your breeder has done everything possible to provide you with a healthy, sound, beautiful dog! |
| The Victoria's Angels site is...interesting.
Here is a quote I copy/pasted - Sampson has been tested and certified by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) and does not have Degenerative Myelopathy [DM] which means his offspring will not inherit Degenerative Myelopathy~ from: their Home page They state nothing about the usual OFA screens for this breed - the hips, elbow, thyroid. Instead mentioned is DM, of which OFA does not recommend OES even be tested for - Quote from OFA on DM: Although any dog can be tested for DM, it is possible that the genetic background that predominates in some breeds prevents the development of symptoms even in dogs testing affected (at risk). At this time we are reluctant to recommend testing for members of breeds where the University of Missouri has not yet proven susceptibility to DM through microscopic examination of spinal cords from deceased dogs that exhibited symptoms of the disease. At this time the required evidence of association between the genetic mutation and actual spinal cord evaluations has only been proven in the breeds listed: American Eskimo Do Bernese Mountain Dog Boxer Cardigan Welsh Corgi Chesapeake Bay Retriever German Shepherd Dog Golden Retriever Great Pyrenees Kerry Blue Terrier Pembroke Welsh Corgi Poodle Pug Rhodesian Ridgeback Shetland Sheepdog Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Wire Fox Terrier from: http://offa.org/dnatesting/dmotherbreeds.html And the results - posted on the OFA page (public record) for their breeding male named Sampson The Great: Link to offa results show only the DM test was done - no hips, elbows, thyroid, etc. Also on the home page they state that they have hired a trainer to train their dogs who is know for her training of UD dogs in field trials. UD is an obedience title, not a field trial title.  |
| Congratulations for asking questions.
Please give serious consideration to adopting a puppy from a OESCA Breeder. I've heard many horror stories about Rolling Acres Farm. |
wjsVT wrote: Congratulations for asking questions.
Please give serious consideration to adopting a puppy from a OESCA Breeder. I've heard many horror stories about Rolling Acres Farm. The advice about BUYING a dog from an OESCA Breeder is just a start. Even when buying a dog from and OESCA you need to research each of these breeders and ask questions, particularly for references from people who have puppies and dogs of all ages from the breeder. |
| Let's not forget the hearing test
http://www.offa.org/deafbaer.html Deafness is showing way too much in our breed. |
Well Miss Marley was BAER tested at 8 weeks - so I KNOW she can hear me, somethimes though you just have to wonder...........
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 I've had dogs like that. Now I have a deaf Pyr..........old age deafness. Like the breed, she was pig headed before.......now selective hearing isn't an option, there's no hearing. |
| Thank you all so much. This has been so helpful. I have decided to stick with someone who has had all the tests done on their dogs and is a reputable breeder. I am now in the process of trying to find someone who is having a litter this spring. If you know of anyone please let me know!
Thanks so much! |
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