Aggressive Behaviour
Maggie seems to be a bully all of a sudden and will not leave poor Molly alone - they dont seem to be fighting (growling and hurting) but Maggie is biting her all the time and will not give her any room to move. As soon as Molly moves Maggie is on top of her biting at her. it appears to be Maggies way of saying "hey I am the boss" Is this normal and will Molly survive this constant nagging?????? |
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I think it is just normal pack ordering behavior. If you think either needs a break I would recommend crating one or both for a little while. It will give you one on one time with each dog, and give them breathing room from each other. Perhaps give them a kong stuffed with something to eat, they can work away at that for a while and hopefully leave each other alone. Mostly they just need to determine who is alpha between the two. Naturally it should be the older, bigger female, but Maggie has been there longer, so she may feel it is her job. They'll work it out I think.... just hang in there! 
In our house Dancer (Molly's sister) is the boss, but Sky (Maggie's sister) still challenges that often. |
Willowsprite wrote: In our house Dancer (Molly's sister) is the boss, but Sky (Maggie's sister) still challenges that often. Are you kidding me? How cool is THAT?  |
| Nope not kidding
Molly is one of the dogs I was busy helping to try to find a home for the last couple of weeks. She is out of Dancer's litter, and things didn't work out at her previous home (Grrrrr but I will leave it at that) so Joy immediately drove out to pick her up,kept her to attempt to demat her and evaluate her condition for a week or so, and I told "Sheepish" about the little girl who needed a home, and that was that! Molly is home now! A much better home!!! Thank you Sheepish! |
I would have a house full of them if I could. Molly seems to be in good health but her mats - oh boy - I went through her coat yesterday and there is noway they are coming out painlessly you could almost say 80% of her body is one big giant tight nest so needless to say to spare her the grief we are going to be shaved tomorrow at noon.  Molly and Maggie have gone through 2 stuffies playing tug of war - ripped them right in half there is no way either one was letting the other win!
As much as I dont want too it is in her best interest. I cant wait for them to settle down so I can love them up! we are going out for an hour or so and I think Maggie is going in her crate and Molly to the kitchen to give them both a break. Once Molly is comfortable I will post pics of the two of them (with Willowsprite's help of course!!!! still havent figured out how to do that!) |
Sheepish wrote: Molly and Maggie have gone through 2 stuffies playing tug of war - ripped them right in half there is no way either one was letting the other win! I'm not sure if it is a good thing to encourage that (I really DON'T KNOW.. maybe it's a good thing) but instead of a stuffie, a really big white Booda rope is more durable! lol |
| I bought my girls one of those last week too because we had gone through too many stuffies too... they love the rope! |
They must have read my post, I just went out to the kitchen and what do I see? The rope with one end unknotted, and they've started to pull it apart.  |
| I will have to get one I have 2 small ropes but not big enough for them to tug together. They seem to be settling in a little bit and Molly is already barking to let me know when we have visitors and Maggie seems to be a little better except when Molly approaches for attention or someone comes to the door - again Maggie fights for attention. I am sure it will all work itself out - I left them both out last night with full run of the house (Maggie has been caged trained and Molly not) and I was not sure how it would go but the cage door was open for Maggie just in case she decided she wanted it and they were really good nothing chewed and no mess. I left them again for an hour or so today and again, good girls and they both showed excitmeent when I got home. I am so glad we have two. |
| That's great news! I couldn't trust my two out for long, if I double check EVERYTHING to make sure there is absolutely nothing they can get into then I could leave them for an hour maybe, but no longer. They will shred a roll of paper towel in seconds is someone leaves it within reach (which is anything lower than about 5 feet because Sky will push a stool over to reach things on counters and shelves) |
| Oh my gosh- a stool! That is too funny. I have heard of sheepies jumping up to get to counters, but never using a stool.
That's a good trick! |
| Hello,
I just got a OES puppy, his name is Max. He has the typical puppy habit of biting everything, even people. I got him a couple of good chewing toys and a bone but this hasn't taken care of the problem. When I try to make him quite he gets temperamental and even aggressive. I don't want to resort to physical discipline , any advice? Is his temperament normal? I thought OES were mellow dogs?
GROD16 |
| Hi
how old is your puppy? |
| 10 weeks. |
| Hi, I wouldn't say any puppy is mellow... OES breed for the most part is not what I would call mellow either. Depending on their activity level they can be very lively. But for the most part the breed does not have aggressive tendencies unless from bad breeding or from bad training. Also, OES's respond to POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT training vs. any negative or physical punishment. Please don't resort to hitting your dog -- they won't ever forget it.
With that said, you are on the right track with the toys and good chewing toys. Your pup is teething and will be doing so for the next few months all the way to around 1.5 years. Biting you is not going to stop overnight. Your pup will gradually realize his behavior is wrong. Soon as the pup starts to bite you, say "No" or "Owwww" firmly and try to replace your body part with the toy so you can show him what is acceptable to chew on. As far as the "tempermental attitude" he's getting is from the way you are reacting to him when he bites you and I am sure he thinks you are playing. If he starts getting aggressive towards you - end the playtime by ignoring him - ignoring will speak volumes that his behavior isn't acceptable. Then once he calms down reward him by playing with him again. There are also a lot of good reading resources about the OES and how to train a puppy if you need them just holler. Good luck and please have patience and he'll grow up to be a wonderful boy. Just remember consistancy & repetition are key. Welcome to the forum and please know that you have a great support system here. Please also upload some photos of your pup when you get a chance! -verveup |
| Verve pretty much summed it up, a ten week old puppy is a baby. He doesn't know any better yet, and as a baby he is exploring his world, with his mouth. I would tell him no, or yelp like a puppy who is hurt, and put something you want him to chew on in his mouth, then praise him for chewing the right thing.
Welcome to the forum |
| Thanks for the info. |
| Hello,
Max has a tendency of biting objects and not letting go. He can get really stubborn sometimes. I tell him "no" and he still refuses to let go. He then begins to pull and growl. He gets really excited and thinks I am playing. It is really hard for me to get him out of this mode. How can I get him to stop? |
| my new rescue is the same way. Max, the puppy I have had since he was 3 months likes to play ball where I kick it an dhe catches it, but Miller, the rescue who came to live with us last week, has other things he wants to do. He steals the ball then gets Max to grab the other end then he fights him for it and wont let go, even if I am yelling for him to let go. Samething in the house. I 've decided for now that we cant play with toys until he adjusts. He is overwelming max and Max misses the old way things were done. I'm really hoping things work out but they are very rough right now for everyone. |
| Hi- in response to your puppy who loves to bite things and not let go- have you tried the "bait and switch" method? I think someones outlined training the "trade" trick- where a pup has an item, which you ewant them to give up- so you "trade" the item for their favorite tasty treat. MOST dogs are going to prefer a niblet of their favorite food item over the current toy. Something to try!
Karen |
| Hi,
Just wanted to comment on dogs grabbing stuff they are not supposed to. When Panda came into my home and I had not yet discovered his true personality as he was a rescue. It would kind of scare me a little if he grabbed something and would give a low growl if I tried to pull it out of his mouth. Remember with canines tug of war is often seen as a dominance thing and which is the reason why it's not suggested you do this kind of play with your dog unless you are going to win. With their siblings the winner is often the most dominant one in the group. I never play tug a war with any of my dogs until I've established I'm Alpha. Here's some possible suggestions and what worked for Panda, even with things I wanted him to have and bring back like toys and balls. Great suggestion from Karen in the previous post. Do a trade, and it doesn't have to be a treat...could be something like a toy if they grab an object you don't want them to have. With Panda even a plastic lid offered was enough to make him drop the item in his mouth. With balls it was giving him a treat everytime he returned it. With a pup and new dog in the house it's gonna be tough for you as even now I can only play ball with one of my dogs at a time. You have a little more work cut out for you. You need to spend one on one time with each and that's a bit harder. With two unfortunately, it's usually always going to be the Alpha that gets the ball and there's not much you can do about it other than give them their own time with you - Twice the work. The older one is at this point Alpha over the puppy and it will stay that way until the pup is aprox 8-12 months old and may try to establish he's the boss. For now, he's on the bottom of the heirachy and will not attempt to get the ball as this is shown as challenging the other one. Hard to watch as we often put human emotions behind our pups...awww poor little tyke feels bad he doesn't get it. In dog terms..this is their life...they know their ranks and are far accepting of it than us. Even after almost 10 months of Panda coming into my home I continue to take him out seperately if I play ball as the other two dogs will not let him get it as he's on the bottom of the dog heirachy at my home. Good luck and hope that helped Marianne and the boys |
hi there...i also recommend the trade method. Mopsey used to growl and be somewhat agressive when she was a pup. It used to scare me...but now after much hard work and consistancy, there are no problems. I used to say "drop it" and see looked at me like "aaahhh, NO" so i would walk away and not play with her at all for a few minutes. Then i realized that she started to associate the words drop it to her behavior, i dicided to change the command to "let go". The first time she complied, i praised like caraze and gave her a treat. Now she listens to the words let go, sometimes not willingly, and with a pause...but she always does let go. She knows that if she doesn't the game is over. Hope this helps!  |
| Hi. We just got a new 6 week old OES. He is adorable but seems a bit aggressive. Our problem though is we will take him outside to "potty" and he comes back in the house and pees on the carpet. What can we do to help him learn to go outside? |
| Just be patient and consistent. At this young age, he can't tell when he has to "go" yet until it comes out. Take him out immediately after he wakes up from a nap, right after eating or drinking, right after play time and then at least once an hour if he's up longer than that. It is A LOT at first, but it will eventually pay off. But please be patient with him, he really can't help himself yet.
Also, you may want to seriously consider crate training him. It does help speed up the potty training. There is another section on the forum that addresses crate training. You can learn a lot there, too.
P.S. Welcome to the forum!  |
| we got our pup at 6 weeks also, and did just as Beaureguard's Mom suggests, he is now 8 weeks, and has done amazingly good, we still have our accidents, but he is getting the hang of it
consistency and patience |
| I have an oesd who just turned 2 in Dec. He is the most lovable dog I have ever had, but there is just one problem. Everytime we go to leave or if anyone leaves for that matter, he goes nuts. He barks and runs through the house and if we leave the front door open he tries to knock down the screen door and jumps until he can't see them anymore. He also tries to bite me when I leave of a morning when I am trying to shut the door. Am I the only one who deals with this or is someone else going through this too.....Please help. |
lambkins wrote: Hi. We just got a new 6 week old OES. He is adorable but seems a bit aggressive. Our problem though is we will take him outside to "potty" and he comes back in the house and pees on the carpet. What can we do to help him learn to go outside?
He is still a baby, a very young baby. He needs lots of sleep, if he seems grumpy he is probably not getting enough sleep or may be overstimulated with household activity he probably wasn't prepared for. As for potty training, just be consistent, and it should be fine. Equate a puppy with a week to a month ratio for people. A six week old pup is like a six month old baby human, just learning, feeling, using his mouth to explore, and has no idea that he has even peed until after he does it, and even then sometimes they take no notice. |
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