Trip to a pet store

When ever I take Chauncey shopping or to the groomers the people with small dogs always grab them up and put them under their arms. The few that don't, Chauncey will walk up to them and do the obligatory sniff & smell and give them a big old sloppy kiss. :aww:
Anyone else notice this ?
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I think most people with smaLL dogs tend to pick them up too much - but especially when they see a big hairy dog like an OES coming their way 8O Remember to us, they are our dogs and we are used to their size. To members of the regular public, our dogs are HUGE! :) I guess the people with small dogs think our's will eat them up in one gulp! Ha ha...
Makes sense. They don't know your dog's temperament and little dogs are but a snack to some dogs. It's the not the kind of thing that lends itself to trial and error. This point was really driven home the day I brought my friend's Havanese with me to an agility trial. Try walking a bouncy ball of hair around a bunch of high prey drive dogs and see how long it takes you to snatch her up and start carrying the little critter around 8O :lol: :lol:

Kristine
I see your point, but most nips and bites I have had are from the small ones. He just dosen't think of them as snacks and is actually more gentle than with my SIL's lab.
When we took Bailee for his training classes the most aggressive dog there was a 10 pound Poodle mix. Bailee was a complete Gentleman. On Saturday while I was walking him we crossed paths with a Pit Pup being walked by a woman and her son. The woman's son made a point to walk near us and then went back to his Mom and their dog and I heard him tell her, "He was GIGANTIC!" OK, he is big, but GIGANTIC! Sunday, my son and his family came over for a cookout and brought along their 11 week old Keeshond pup. Jazmyn and Bailee played for 4 1/2 hours and the only time there was a problem was when the little Lass did a little extra biting and after a while Bailee had enough and started barking right in her face. She took the hint and they played nicely again. The amazing thing was "Jaz" wasn't really the least bit afraid of her BIG cousin.
I totally understand. I hate getting the comment "oh, my little guy is just a snack for yours"... I don't think that's funny. Oliver wouldn't hurt a toad!
It happens here too and I agree with Kristine once the damage is done the damage is done. But my obedience trainer says the worst thing you can do is pick up a small dog as it will teach it that it should be scared of big dogs. I havent figured out how to reconcile those two seemingly opposing perspectives.
I seem to come across an awful lot of little dogs who come up to both my big dogs and either bark in their face or snap at them when they try to politely say Hello. Rastus gets a hurt look on his face as if to say "what did I do wrong" It scares the willies out of me, as they are just snack size for big dogs.
I've often wished for an offlead park with a fence up the middle - one side for the big dogs and one for the little dogs. :lol:
I had never seen it before yesterday...
Somebody on our walk had a Lhasa..the kids screamed
"Big Dog pick up Fluffy"
A: They are totally fine with any dog! :roll:
B: Thank goodness they are deaf and didn't respond to that
madness! :P

To me these two are small...
Finn is 70 and Georgie 60...
where are the big dogs??? :lol:
Mim wrote:
It happens here too and I agree with Kristine once the damage is done the damage is done. But my obedience trainer says the worst thing you can do is pick up a small dog as it will teach it that it should be scared of big dogs. I havent figured out how to reconcile those two seemingly opposing perspectives.
I seem to come across an awful lot of little dogs who come up to both my big dogs and either bark in their face or snap at them when they try to politely say Hello. Rastus gets a hurt look on his face as if to say "what did I do wrong" It scares the willies out of me, as they are just snack size for big dogs.
I've often wished for an offlead park with a fence up the middle - one side for the big dogs and one for the little dogs. :lol:


Mim, some dog parks do have splits by weight :wink: Under X lbs (or kgs) in one fenced in area, over in the other. It makes the little dog people feel a lot better and I don't blame them.

Getting our collective noses out of joint because people can't anticipate our dogs aren't (typically) into eating the little dog is kind of pointless. If they don't know your dog, how can they possibly know that? :wink: If the litmus test is the dog didn't eat Fluffy, what do we do when they guess wrong? Buy them a new Fluffy? 8O :cry:

And I do know of a few OES who do consider small dogs fair game, i.e. prey, including a rescue I fostered whose owner is on the forum and who has to wear a muzzle when at the dog park, plus one of Mad's sisters who clearly felt my friend's Havanese would make a tasty little snack. She finished her championship and was promptly sent back to her co-owners/ pet home to be spayed instead of bred because her breeder wasn't about to risk perpetuating that. But in some breeds that degree & type of prey drive is highly desirable (think terriers and sighthounds for instance).

I suppose picking the little guys up can reinforce any fear of big dogs they may have. My experience is that a greater percentage of small dogs don't know they're small, or at least refuse to concede that :lol: so many get in a big dog's face and basically ask to be eaten :roll: Even carrying them isn't a surefire thing: I've seen big dogs leap up and try to snatch the bait, I'm sorry, dog right out of someone's arms.

Mind you, when the Havanese has stayed with me in the past she runs the place. Woe to the OES who thinks she can get up on the bed if Ali's in the house. But she's also gotten hurt by her OES housemate simply by being stepped on. It ain't easy being small in a Big Dog World.

Kristine
With my experience of small dogs I don't think its a bad idea for people to pick them up - before they start their incessant barking and lunging at my dogs - Puleeeze.

And honestly I wouldn't want another dog sniffing my dog or licking it - sorry.
My dogs are taught (some better than others) to ignore other dogs and I wish more people did the same. My kids weren't told they could run up to every strange kid they saw and play - why should my dogs be taught that?
I taught and teaching my dogs to ignore other dogs on walks. Especially now that I walk two at once too much to meet another dog. I have noticed people lifting up there little dogs. How about you are reinforcing in your dog that it is a higher status than others because it is higher up? Or is that just in cats... :roll:

You know what I don't like dogs that are not leashed walking in town. I always say I cannot make any promises the whole flight or fight. Mine being tied cannot leave. I really love when people say my dog is good. SO! maybe mine aren't maybe I don't want my dog meeting yours! oh no got me started :lol:
spacegirl21 wrote:
I taught and teaching my dogs to ignore other dogs on walks. Especially now that I walk two at once too much to meet another dog.

You know what I don't like dogs that are not leashed walking in town. I always say I cannot make any promises the whole flight or fight. Mine being tied cannot leave. I really love when people say my dog is good. SO! maybe mine aren't maybe I don't want my dog meeting yours! oh no got me started :lol:


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Be glad they are picking them up~~~~~~


I had Pearl on a down stay at a pet shop one time and a very small dog came up and tried to lay on her, I guess thinking she was a tuffett!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :oops: :oops:

Normally, a calm OES...Pearl shot up and look over at the tinydog and if she could talk she would have surely said...."""What the H@@@??????""" :P :D :D :D :D :D
Mad Dog wrote:
Mim wrote:
It happens here too and I agree with Kristine once the damage is done the damage is done. But my obedience trainer says the worst thing you can do is pick up a small dog as it will teach it that it should be scared of big dogs. I havent figured out how to reconcile those two seemingly opposing perspectives.
I seem to come across an awful lot of little dogs who come up to both my big dogs and either bark in their face or snap at them when they try to politely say Hello. Rastus gets a hurt look on his face as if to say "what did I do wrong" It scares the willies out of me, as they are just snack size for big dogs.
I've often wished for an offlead park with a fence up the middle - one side for the big dogs and one for the little dogs. :lol:


Mim, some dog parks do have splits by weight :wink: Under X lbs (or kgs) in one fenced in area, over in the other. It makes the little dog people feel a lot better and I don't blame them.

Getting our collective noses out of joint because people can't anticipate our dogs aren't (typically) into eating the little dog is kind of pointless. If they don't know your dog, how can they possibly know that? :wink: If the litmus test is the dog didn't eat Fluffy, what do we do when they guess wrong? Buy them a new Fluffy? 8O :cry:

And I do know of a few OES who do consider small dogs fair game, i.e. prey, including a rescue I fostered whose owner is on the forum and who has to wear a muzzle when at the dog park, plus one of Mad's sisters who clearly felt my friend's Havanese would make a tasty little snack. She finished her championship and was promptly sent back to her co-owners/ pet home to be spayed instead of bred because her breeder wasn't about to risk perpetuating that. But in some breeds that degree & type of prey drive is highly desirable (think terriers and sighthounds for instance).

I suppose picking the little guys up can reinforce any fear of big dogs they may have. My experience is that a greater percentage of small dogs don't know they're small, or at least refuse to concede that :lol: so many get in a big dog's face and basically ask to be eaten :roll: Even carrying them isn't a surefire thing: I've seen big dogs leap up and try to snatch the bait, I'm sorry, dog right out of someone's arms.
Mind you, when the Havanese has stayed with me in the past she runs the place. Woe to the OES who thinks she can get up on the bed if Ali's in the house. But she's also gotten hurt by her OES housemate simply by being stepped on. It ain't easy being small in a Big Dog World.

Kristine


Wow I have NEVER come across a split by size dog park here. As far as I know there are none in Melbourne. The way things are going here we'll have NO off lead parks soon. Every time someone complains that a dog jumped at them or ran at (past) them the council uses the complaint to try to make the park on lead or off limits to dogs.
So far our favorite park is still off lead. The council just took all the fences down except for the bit between the kids play equipment and the road. Dog people were really peed. Protect the kids and too bad about the dogs. It had been a favorite park for training puppies/young dogs but a puppy got away and ran on the road and was killed so we hardly see any puppies now.
Your point about dogs jumping up is the other reason our trainer says dont pick your small dog up. I guess she means better your small dog who has teeth than you but as I said I'm still not sure how you reconcile keeping a small dog safe around unknown large dogs and letting a small dog be a dog.
Ah well I'll just have to stick with large dogs. :D :D
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