Rolling my eyes at the CKC...long...sorry.
In July, he finally got the corrected paperwork in. Prior to that, he created fraudulent documents (the dates are off by over six months) and told them he sent originals with us (blatant lie -they couldn't have come WITH the pup yet be dated six months later...not even a good forgery), and initially sent in completely wrong information for the registration. Wrong date. Wrong parents. Wrong spelling...and that was over a year past his deadline. The CKC sent him "deadline" after deadline after deadline, and just kept warning him that if he didn't comply they'd warn him again. I'm beyond having once ounce of respect. I was also scolded by the CKC for not checking with them before working with him in the first place (they had no complaints on file). After all of this was "over" I asked what they would say to people who checked on him now. NOTHING. After over a year of threatening to "discipline" him, and him not complying, and then him being threatened again and again but nothing happening, and him providing clearly fraudulent documentation on multiple occasions there is NOTHING they'll tell anyone if they call. Apparently they're just happy that he finally stopped ignoring them and sending in made up papers, no matter how long it takes. So there's NOTHING on his record. They will tell anyone who calls that he's just fine. Nice. So, here's what just set me off. In May I received the falsified registration (made up dates, info, etc...) and now that the "correct" info has finally been provided (because I emailed him personally and told him the name of the lawyer I'd contacted), I need to send back the wrong one to the CKC before they'll forward the corrected one. They also called ME to check the information to make sure HE got it right this time. What?!?!? Isn't he supposed to keep track of this stuff. He advertises purebred champions, and doesn't know when pups were born or who fathered which litters? I think I still have it. It's in my filing cabinet at work. I'm a teacher, and the building doesn't reopen until next week. I can't check until then. I just got a letter from the CKC saying that I have already had three weeks to send this back, and that I MUST DO SO in the next fifteen days. Seriously? They let him slide for over a year. And he's still sliding, quite frankly. I'm the victim in all of this, and I just got a letter scolding me and setting a deadline on me. Nice. I wrote an email back explaining the situation and couldn't help by point out that I'm still about eleven months ahead of HIS response time so I'd appreciate their patience. How completely absurd this has all been. And, if anyone is interested, the CKC told me that they think this lack of compliance was probably due to the fact that the breeder is "older" and can't really stay on top of things anymore. But they're okay with that. And he's advertising a litter that will be ready to go home in Sept, so he's still going strong. I know it's over. I'm done. But I know he's just going to keep on "cutting corners" like this. The papers weren't especially important to me, but they were part of the deal and I HATE people who don't keep their word and think it's ok. Okay, rant over. I hope I did keep that incorrect registration form. The CKC has made it sound like I won't get the new one if I can't find it. Wouldn't that just be my luck? |
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| Tracie, I remember your earlier postings on this. Sorry the matter still isn't resolved. |
Bummer! 
I am growing old and cynical.  In recent years I have learnt the depressing lesson that many regulatory bodies are all talk, NO action.
They dont want to deregister anyone, that's where their money comes from.  |
Mim wrote: Bummer!
I am growing old and cynical. In recent years I have learnt the depressing lesson that many regulatory bodies are all talk, NO action. They dont want to deregister anyone, that's where their money comes from. I dunno, Mim. The AKC regularly suspends people from being able to register dogs for various infractions and for various lengths of time including life depending on the seriousness of the matter and senioritis is not a viable defense. The suspensions are listed in the AKC Gazette. Don't know much about the CKC. Maybe some Canadian breeders can clarify. Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: Mim wrote: Bummer! I am growing old and cynical. In recent years I have learnt the depressing lesson that many regulatory bodies are all talk, NO action. They dont want to deregister anyone, that's where their money comes from. I dunno, Mim. The AKC regularly suspends people from being able to register dogs for various infractions and for various lengths of time including life depending on the seriousness of the matter and senioritis is not a viable defense. The suspensions are listed in the AKC Gazette. Kristine The ANKC does too and member suspensions or de-registrations are published also.  |
| That's good to know.
I was being cynical re some recent experiences with other regulatory bodies who do NOT deregister, at least not according to our solicitor. |
| Don't even get ME started on the CKC and how they do things.
They are quite willing to register a litter without the signature of the Stud dog owner from the USA. And when presented with facts, they could care less what the truth is.. Cost me an arm and a leg for an attorney and never got my stud puppy but HAD to take a stud fee which was NOT what the agreement was. |
| I have no idea why this breeder was not brought up on disciplinary charges. Did you tell them you wanted to bring him before the disciplinary committee? According to the CKC rules, a breeder has 6 months from the date of sale to provide individual registrations to the new owners. All of my puppy people have their individual registrations usually within 3 weeks of the puppy going home (when the pup is about 11 weeks old) Also, a breeder is responsible for keeping accurate breeding records of all matings, litters, etc. It seems like this is a common practice for this breeder and I am so surprised you were the first to complain about him. |
| I told them I wanted him disciplined, and I told them that at the very least, I wanted anyone else who called to check on him to know about this situation. To me, it's like someone robbing a bank, being chased for a year by the police, and finally, begrudingly, returning the money. At which point they get a pat on the head and are told, "Well, okay. As long as you eventually returned the cash it's all good."
The individual I worked with said that the goal of the CKC in these disputes is to get the papers to the individuals eventually. As long as he complied at some point he remains in good standing. I specifically asked about the consequence for forwarding false documents to THEM. (These were not errors. They were frauds. He sent a copy of something dated in November and flat out told them he sent me the original copy of that exact paper with Hudson in May. He didn't, and if he had, the original would have said May, not been randomly dated five months later.) She said it was unfortunate that he did so, but she was glad it had all worked out. In my opinion it did not work out. I now have a copy of the fraudulent copy of the receipt he sent to the CKC (they sent one to me) as my "official receipt." I know at this point it's not worth anything anyway, but didn't they do the wrong thing by copying and redistrubiting a KNOWN forgery as well? That hardly seems honest and above board. I don't understand what the point of all of this was. He's still breeding and still selling puppies, and I can't imagine that Hudson was the only pup he opted NOT to do the right thing for. So what was the point of my working with the CKC on this? Clearly they don't care about what he did. And it makes me sad, because I know that the vast majority of breeders ARE excellent and don't approve of his behaviour, and certainly wouldn't want to be thought of as "in good standing" if that heading includes individuals who behave as badly as he does. It degrades things for all. |
| Instead of perpetually spinning your wheels with the CKC, what other consumer-oriented actions can you take? Does your area have a Better Business Bureau or similar to which you can report him? How about filing a civil complaint?
You clearly want some action, and you're not going to get it with the CKC. Expand your reach. |
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