Boo Eagles!
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| Bye Eagles.
They are already interviewing fans leaving the pre-game and a very small % seem to be outraged by this. Most of them are thrilled that Vick is on the team. Andy Reid & McNabb are being outspoken about how the Vick deserves a second chance. The guy not only subjected the dog fighting, but he also electrocuted, drowned & hung the dogs. How does one get rehabilitated of cruelty?? Wouldn't this be something in the core of one's soul. I guess since Reid is the father of 2 drug addict sons that are currently in prison, has room to be so forgiving. In addition to this, a Phillies fan was kicked to death outside the ballpark a couple of weeks ago. This is just another priceless event in Philly history. How pathetically sad for Philadelphia. |
| They will now overtake the Raiders as the most hated team in America.
It's not the other Eagles' player's fault, but it would be great if the fans failed to show up for games. I know it won't happen, but.... |
| I'm sure there will be plenty of protests...stay tuned... |
| It's a very sad day for the NFL, but haven't they allowed murderers and everything else back into the game before?
Compare that to baseball where betting on your own team to win can get arguably the greatest player of all time a lifetime suspension, keeping him from being elected to the Hall of Fame... I should call Joey Banner... |
| Who believes Pete was the only one to bet on games? If they kicked out all those who did, Cooperstown would be missing some very famous names. |
Ron wrote: It's a very sad day for the NFL, but haven't they allowed murderers and everything else back into the game before?
Compare that to baseball where betting on your own team to win can get arguably the greatest player of all time a lifetime suspension, keeping him from being elected to the Hall of Fame... I should call Joey Banner... That is exactlly what we think too!! |
I'd just like to point out that my Chicago Bears kicked Tank Johnson off the team after he was out partying too much and they found abused dogs and guns in his home. You Philly fans are welcome here anytime!  |
| The Eagles are DEAD to me. |
| I don't know, wouldn't you rather having him working, doing something to fill up his time than sitting around thinking of "stuff" to do? I see what you're saying but I think it's better that he has a job. |
| I think it's that the fans are essentially paying his salary, and no one wants to pay a p.o.s human being like that to entertain them. He should have a job, but not one in which he is celebrated. Let him dig ditches... |
Lil Walty wrote: I'd just like to point out that my Chicago Bears kicked Tank Johnson off the team after he was out partying too much and they found abused dogs and guns in his home. You Philly fans are welcome here anytime!
Not completely true. the Bears should not be painted as the model franchise on player misconduct. First Tank was arrested for possession of a handgun in his car and put on probabtion. A year later he was then arrested on gun charges, where a loaded semi-automatic was found hidden in a seat cushion in is living room. Do I need to add that his daughter was running around? Two days later he was out at a club with his bodyguard where the bodyguard was shot and killed. He was put on house arrest for the gun charges and actually needed permission from the judge to travel to the Superbowl where the Bears lost to the Colts. After the Superbowl, he was sentenced to 45 days in jail, suspended by the NFL for 8 games, and during that time proceeded to get pulled over in Arizona for a DUI. After all of this, the Bears FINALLY cut him. |
Lovie Smith wrote: Not completely true. the Bears should not be painted as the model franchise on player misconduct. First Tank was arrested for possession of a handgun in his car and put on probabtion. A year later he was then arrested on gun charges, where a loaded semi-automatic was found hidden in a seat cushion in is living room. Do I need to add that his daughter was running around? Two days later he was out at a club with his bodyguard where the bodyguard was shot and killed. He was put on house arrest for the gun charges and actually needed permission from the judge to travel to the Superbowl where the Bears lost to the Colts. After the Superbowl, he was sentenced to 45 days in jail, suspended by the NFL for 8 games, and during that time proceeded to get pulled over in Arizona for a DUI. After all of this, the Bears FINALLY cut him. No charges were brought for that "DUI" or anything related to his bodyguards death, btw. I don't have a problem with second chances in general, but I think there are some crimes (such as murder of people or animals) that should not be tolerated. No one wants to root for those people. |
| My neighbor is a die-hard Eagles fan. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say about all this. |
Lil Walty wrote: I think it's that the fans are essentially paying his salary, and no one wants to pay a p.o.s human being like that to entertain them. He should have a job, but not one in which he is celebrated. Let him dig ditches...
Though I agree that he deserves to do menial garbage jobs for the rest of his life to think about what he's done, we all know that he won't. I think, everything else aside, it was a poor move for the franchise. Anyone on the fence will definitely pledge their allegiance elsewhere now. I assume he'll be booed and the team will just be hated now anyway. |
| I did agree at first and was upset, but knowing that the coach said he has to be involved with actively speaking out against what he did the entire time he's playing... can't own a dog ever again ...or be involved with them makes me happier.
There was another football player who just killed someone with a DUI, and he just got a month of jail (vick got 2 yrs). I guesss... if you serve your time, he wasn't going to be good for society not having a job, and I'm now okay with giving him a second chance. I hate eagles though. |
| What I think about him as a person is irrelevant. I think he's a repulsive bottom feeder.
But this is America, and we have a judicial system, we have penalties set by the courts. The man served his time according to law and that's where my interest in the situation ends. I have been in human resources my entire career. I have been bound by either corporate rules or federal laws prohibiting hiring felons for certain positions - and that's something I would never try to change. There are positions in which it would never be appropriate to place a felon. That said, a football player is not the kind of position that warrants elimination from the job due to a felony conviction. He served his time, now he needs to rejoin society. And I'll put real money down on the fact that if the Eagles do particularly well this season, the fans will forget his past, praise his talents and be thrilled they have him on their team in no time. |
rdf wrote: And I'll put real money down on the fact that if the Eagles do particularly well this season, the fans will forget his past, praise his talents and be thrilled they have him on their team in no time.
Got that right. For a diehard Eagles Fan, all is forgiven within about 20 seconds of having a good play... ~Verve |
| Watch the first (non Eagles) NFL game. Carefully note each advertiser. Email and write those advertisers that you will be encouraging all your pet loving friends to boycott any advertiser who support any Eagles games until Vick is released. And then do it. Do not spend one cent of your money on any matter that supports reinstating this murderer.
You can even start online petitions and have them sent to the owner of the NFL. Collect signatures, gathering REGISTERED VOTERS names, signatures and addresses by county of residence. Each county needs a different sheet. This sort of organized effort goes a lot farther than just turning off the television. And in answer to a previous poster who believes Michael won't ever do this or be involved in it again, so it is better to keep him busy at work, I can only ask, wasn't he busy with a fulltime raising NFL star when he was discovered doing this the first time? The best thing about prison for a lawbreaker is that it serves as higher education. Vick will be far more savvy upon his release. He has just learned about how to not get caught. Dog fights have become such an indigenous part of some southern and not so southern cultures that people treat it with little more than a shrug. Ya gotta wonder why all those kids in inner cities are dragging around pits without ears. I choose to believe it is not the equivalent of Paris Hilton's pocket dog. Tragic stuff. |
| And to respond:
I truly believe he won't do it again. |
Joahaeyo wrote: And to respond:
I truly believe he won't do it again. 
Yup, YMMV. |
| I totally don't get your cup of tea emoticon unless you're saying you're needing it on yourself? In which case, that's cool. I don't see how one side wouldn't have a lot to say if they were totally against him playing again. I was once on the other side ...just had a change of opinion on the matter. |
QuailTrail wrote: YMMV.
What does YMMV mean? |
Anonymous wrote: QuailTrail wrote: YMMV. What does YMMV mean? YMMV means Your Mileage May Vary. |
QuailTrail wrote: Collect signatures, gathering REGISTERED VOTERS names, signatures and addresses by county of residence. Each county needs a different sheet.
PS, no need to worry about "REGISTERED VOTERS" as this is not something anyone is petitioning to get on a ballot or persue legislative action. Advertisers as well as the NFL definitely have NO WAY to verify whether a signer is a registered voter. Same for every county needing it's own petition. That's for government activities. Not something like this. |
Michael Vick should be cleaning kennels in shelters the rest of his life  I believe he knew what he was doing was wrong. I, just my own opinion, compare him to a serial killer. Would I give a serial killer a second chance ? NO, In my opinion he is no better, those dogs were defenseless in his care  The way he murdered those dogs sickens me. |
| I am a LIFE-LONG E-A-G-L-E- fan. I starting following my Birds in the late 50's. Owned season tickets at one time and live and bleed Eagle green. My first reaction was a BIG "On No!" Emotions have run extremely high on this issue. I have had a few days to reflect on what has happened and I truely believe that Mike Vick has paid his dues for his crimes. He has been embarressed before the entire world, served almost 2 years in a Federal Pen and lost a fortune (in excess of $225 MILLION) His actions were reprehensible and as a dog lover as everyone here is, I was and still am appauled by his actions. BUT, everyone and that means everyone deserves a second chance. If the American Justice System has any merit, one of the objectives is not only to punish, but, to reform those who are incarcerated. Mike Vick knows that what he has done is unacceptable behavior. He has committed to making an honest effort to attempt to help local Animal Rights groups to teach the inner city youth in Philadelphia that dog fighting is wrong. As a Christian, I truely believe that forgivness of his sins is the only way I can look at the bigger picture. I hope that those of you who are still visibly upset will consider forgiving his actions. It is too hard to carry contempt and hate against someone else. It takes its toll on those who allow it to. I am sure that many of you will read this and think I'm way off base, but it is how I feel and I hope that some of you may consider my point. |
rdf wrote: QuailTrail wrote: Collect signatures, gathering REGISTERED VOTERS names, signatures and addresses by county of residence. Each county needs a different sheet. PS, no need to worry about "REGISTERED VOTERS" as this is not something anyone is petitioning to get on a ballot or persue legislative action. Advertisers as well as the NFL definitely have NO WAY to verify whether a signer is a registered voter. Same for every county needing it's own petition. That's for government activities. Not something like this. Thank you! You are so right. My bad. I was in auto pilot/work mode. |
baileesdad wrote: it is how I feel and I hope that some of you may consider my point. ...and when your child says s/he wants to be "just like Michael Vick" and wear a Michael Vick jersey will you be so magnanimous?
Unfortunately, pro athletes are our children's role models. Yes, I can see that having an "everybody deserves a second chance" role model might have some benefits, but does that have to be a person who has shown such cruelty to another living being? |
| There aren't too many, literally a small handful of athletes, that I think any parent would want their kids to truly mimic in lifestyle. Many who have beat their wives, steroids, killed another human, etc...
I think if he deserved more time in jail, that's what he should have got, but he paid what was given to him. |
| Actually Ron, I would hope that children will see their parents as their role models not some athlete. There are numerous non-athletes who serve as great role models for our kids and Grandchildren. But like I said, some people will probably think I am way off base and you are one of them. That just means our opinions are different. |
| We don't have different opinions because I haven't made up my mind yet, although I AM leaning towards it's a despicable thing.
While you hope your children see good role models as their role models, it is unfortuante that many will idolize athletes, and if he plays as spectacularly as he is capable of playing, unfortunately he will receive their adoration. As well as the adoration of a gazillion adults. I mean there are second chances, and there are second chances, ya know? Phelps is getting a deserved second chance. But at what point do we as a society draw a line and say: "No! This was so bad you don't deserve a second chance. End of story." I have a feeling that for me fighting dogs is past that point, but for our brave new society it is not. |
| YIPES! Things have taken another turn back here in Eagle Town! Recent reports claim that Donovan McNabb has now suggested the Eagles sign Plexico Burress. Is Pacman Jones next! |
Michael Vick Dog Chew Toy
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| Very funny, yuk, yuk. The only problem is the jersey number. I heard on one of our local Talk Shows back here he doesn't want to wear #7 in respect to Ron Jaworski. He will wear #1 since 7 human years equals 1 dog year. It really is amazing how someone will try to make a buck off of anything. |
| I am all for the chew toy |
| I am in on the chew toy idea too, as long as he doesn't get a red cent or tax credit for the use of his name or image.
Let's hang it, drown it, slit its throat and electrocute it first - over and over and over. And let's not forget, in the studies of horrific serial murders they note the pattern that murderers have a history of animal cruelty. Anyone seen the coverage of the dogs that were lucky enough to have survived the Vick killing/torture machine? Pretty hard to be philosophical about someone's "time served/deserves another chance" when you see those sweet, little, happy faces. At least for me. I used to walk the Chessie daily with the Akita that witnessed OJ's handiwork. (Oh that's right, he was found innocent....silly me.) The look in the Brown's eyes is something I will never forget. When Vick looks like that, then I will consider him rehabilitated. His current comments to the press, about understanding the wrong he had done "when the prison door closed behind him", spoke volumes. I appreciate his current coached apology. But I see it for what it is. I would advise my clients similarly. The difference is I would never take a client capable of that sort of cruelty. Nor will I watch one, or support the companies and products who do. |
| I agree, my daughter is a psychologist, on her way to being a forensic psychologist, she has seen some pretty sick things and she thinks he is nuts also. |
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