How long does it take you to groom?

I suppose I need some support and the knowledge that I'm not the only one that struggles with this. Wendel is 3 and has his adult coat, dense, with some coarse guard hairs. His coat is just wonderful, I can brush him for 20 minutes a week and he is tangle free. He also is currently sporting a puppy coat for the summer.

Asterisk is 14 months old and still has that fluffy puppy coat. She already underwent one coat change, it's now a silvery coat with some guard hairs along her spine in a strip. But she has clusters of this frizzy coat at her armpits (front and back). Her coat is so darned soft that I spend 45 minutes to 1 hour daily just for matt control. The biggest problem areas being by the ears, tummy, chest and rear legs.

Is this what I should be looking forward to till her next coat change? Is this excessive grooming?
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I am stuck on 20 minutes for a 3 year old in coat a week? I would say the average grooming time of a full coated OES is a minimum of 3 hour a week.
His coat is in a puppy cut right now. It's only 2 inches long. I'm sure as it grows out the time will lengthen out as well. I'd be happy with 3 hours weekly over 7 hours weekly that I'm doing with Asterisk right now.
ah in puppy cut I don't even have to brush Morg every week. sorry missed that part. sounds like Asterisk needs a buzz cut.
She had her first shave in January, that did help a bit. Her coat is now 3 inches long... do you really think I should shave her again?
On here, I've heard up to 2 hrs each side ...once a week more than any other answer over the years.

I've learned from having 2 OES with different coats that it's a totally different experience with each for me!!!

my byb oes: 2 hrs on each side, with good maintenance once a week ....easily. Consistently takes this long since she was a pup. Her coat is a lot softer.

then in my new pup, 1hr total for the whole body for hair length longer than the above OES (a little longer if I didn't skip line grooming certain parts of her)!! I can go 2 weeks and just have to come through and so far...no matts. I love doing his coat, although it sure ultimately takes more of my time b/c I must bathe more since the longer his hair gets ...he seems to stink quicker and quicker esp. if he's spent time outside (the worse humidity here ever ...comes in just as smelly as his 2-legged daddy). So it's bath time FOR SURE by the 2 wk mark.
well if you don't want to groom all the time and you aren't showing her - why not?
Erin I SHAVED Holly!! I couldn't take the FLUFF anymore :cry: She is alot cooler now and I am hoping by Christmas she will look like her old self again!! :lol: She lost about 3 inches as well!
Joahaeyo wrote:
On here, I've heard up to 2 hrs each side ...once a week more than any other answer over the years.

I've learned from having 2 OES with different coats that it's a totally different experience with each for me!!!

my byb oes: 2 hrs on each side, with good maintenance once a week ....easily. Consistently takes this long since she was a pup. Her coat is a lot softer.

then in my new pup, 1hr total for the whole body for hair length longer than the above OES (a little longer if I didn't skip line grooming certain parts of her)!! I can go 2 weeks and just have to come through and so far...no matts.



Talk to Alison in a couple of months :D
I've been thinking about it. I think Josh would cry... again. He took it so hard when I first shaved her. I told him, it's just hair.
I hated it when I took Tiggy back to a puppy cut, so I spend between 4 and 6 hours per week grooming depending on where we've walked.
Wayne's favourite park is full off burrs. :evil:
She is 17 months old and still in coat transition.
I trimmed the girls for the first time in a couple of years. We are dealing with horrible fleas this year and I thought shorter cuts would make it easier for the flea comb.
Bailey is down to 5 inches and Riley is at 3 inches.

Huge mistake on my part. It is an obnoxious length for them. They have had more matts in the last two weeks than they have had all summer - and there is less scratching to blame it on.
I can't wait for it to grown out again.
Coat transition stage, how long?, too dam long, seem to do one at the same age and "HEY PRESTO" the other needs another going over when finishing the first one. :roll:

Gotta luv the full time job at the moment. NOT!! :?

Yes there in full coat too. Keep me away from the clippers "PALEEEASE" :lol: :lol:

Hubbys brainwave to keep two the same age, who does the grooming "MOI", time to teach the other half to pick up a brush too :P :lol: .
Hah, sounds familiar. DH happily tells anyone who asks about how much grooming a sheepie needs "that he doesnt know his wife does it all, but its a lot!" And then he adds "but I get to enjoy her!" :evil:
^^^

haha... my husband says the same thing. Or pretty much any sort of chore that would have required some sort of work for our 2 and 4 legged ones :lol:
I hear all of you. I am the administer of medicines, scooper of poops, groomer, feeder of food and water. He is the coveted giver of treats (he was so gracious as to take that chore upon himself).
If you're properly line grooming then with each dog's coat varying somewhat it should be an hour to two hours once a week to keep them mat free.
Puppies take a lot less, it takes maybe twenty minutes to fully line groom Willy who is almost 6 months old. Some of his coat is starting to turn grey but for the most part he's still puppy coat.
Are there any tips or preventative measures I could take for matt control? Any leave in conditioners or anything? I use Ice-on-Ice for a finishing spray, it doesn't seem to really help the problem areas.
If you're fully line grooming once a week, the whole dog, then you probably won't run into mats at all or at least nothing note worthy.
Willowsprite wrote:
If you're fully line grooming once a week, the whole dog, then you probably won't run into mats at all or at least nothing note worthy.


Unless they are going through a coat change.
kerry wrote:
Willowsprite wrote:
If you're fully line grooming once a week, the whole dog, then you probably won't run into mats at all or at least nothing note worthy.


Unless they are going through a coat change.


Even then, the trick is to do it every week, and do the whole dog, every inch of him or her, then it doesn't leave much time for serious mats to form.
* Capt. Obvious Danger wrote:
Are there any tips or preventative measures I could take for matt control? Any leave in conditioners or anything? I use Ice-on-Ice for a finishing spray, it doesn't seem to really help the problem areas.


Chris Christensen's "Silk Spirits" is great for dematting without leaving a greasy feel. You can put some in your hands and massage through the coat or put a few drops directly on the matt. Smells nice, too. :D
when my Marley was going through herlast coat change she would literally mat over night - I could line groom every inch of her at night and she would have full blown matts in the morning - I do believe it depends on the individual coat. My boy has a softer coat and he was never a real issue - although we keep him short now cause he hates being warm :)
kerry wrote:
when my Marley was going through herlast coat change she would literally mat over night - I could line groom every inch of her at night and she would have full blown matts in the morning - I do believe it depends on the individual coat. My boy has a softer coat and he was never a real issue - although we keep him short now cause he hates being warm :)


That is how it feels with Asterisk. I do a real thorough brushing/dematting with her and it feels as though the next day there are new matts. I'll bet she rubs her body up against the rug while I'm sleeping and just works them in real good.
Maggie McGee IV wrote:
* Capt. Obvious Danger wrote:
Are there any tips or preventative measures I could take for matt control? Any leave in conditioners or anything? I use Ice-on-Ice for a finishing spray, it doesn't seem to really help the problem areas.


Chris Christensen's "Silk Spirits" is great for dematting without leaving a greasy feel. You can put some in your hands and massage through the coat or put a few drops directly on the matt. Smells nice, too. :D


Or, if you're me, you can soak the heck out of the matt and really loosen it up. Cowboy Magic works that way, too, but only use that if you like a greasy feel. ;)
ButtersStotch wrote:
Or, if you're me, you can soak the heck out of the matt and really loosen it up. Cowboy Magic works that way, too, but only use that if you like a greasy feel. ;)


There's just something about Nelson smelling like rose petals that's just wrong,:twisted: which is why we limit the use of Cowboy Magic around here. :wink:
Doesn't cowboy magic come as superconcentrated? Does really diluting it cut the greasy feel?
So speaking of how long does it take, I thought I'd throw mequpak on the table for a complete ...no skipping areas line grooming since he peed on himself, and it took me a little over an hour (which included me clipping his undercarriage completely, beard, and 2 kids who always think they're "helping"). ;) Willowsprite, the baby powder smells GREAT!!

For matts on yuki, I just drink the area with the ice on ice mentioned by original poster and it seems to work fine, but I am curious about the silk spirits!! I just think there is no miracle cure for matts except staying ahead of them. :lol:

My finished product of my handsome almost 10 month ol boy!!! :D

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Then with the hair up since it's a must for us!

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He's gorgeous J!! You're doing a fantastic job, and pregnant too with two little ones... don't know how you do it.
* Capt. Obvious Danger wrote:
Doesn't cowboy magic come as superconcentrated? Does really diluting it cut the greasy feel?


The Cowboy Magic Detangle & Shine is an oily product that isn't made to be mixed with water like Ice on Ice is. Silk Spirits is very similar to Cowboy Magic but not nearly as greasy.

The no-name "hair polishes" from Sally Beauty work okay, too. They contain silicone and make the hair slippery but do eventually soak into the hair so they don't leave an oil slick. :lol:
Too bad that VO5 doesn't make a sheepie oil conditioning product.
billy demands grooming on a daily basis, after i have groomed a dog and its left, i let my dogs out, he runs in the grooming room, dives on the table and wont leave till he gets a brush. its a good thing and a bad thing at the same time. if i dont brush him he just stands there barking. oh and he has to have a squirt of perfume and a biscuit before he goes.
so he gets 5-20 minutes a day..... every day
i like show seasons detangle spray, and i am just trying ring 5 grooming spray with mink oil, smells wonderful and works well too.
i use 'the stuff' every couple of days too.
billies hair is now about 6" long and his just going through a coat transition so them matt fairies are doing their best on him. his coat is really course, but his white bits are soft and fluffy.
i am just so glad he loves being brushed!
I only wish I could brush 20 min. a day. Jazzy is going through a coat change, I get out of work at 2, have him on the table by 2:30 and line brush till 5:30 I do this 5 days a week, I have had to do this for the last 3 wks. He grow mats overnight. I have not had any trouble with whites, it is right down the middle of his back along his spine. He is like a coat factory, I should have named him Burlington :lol:
I feel your pain Lori, I HATE THE COAT CHANGE STAGE :roll:

Been brushing syd on and off every day since last weekend, washed him this afternoon for a show tomorrow and I have had it. Still found knots on him when layer drying. GEEZ cant wait for the mature coat to bloom. Must admit though a hell of a lot of dark puppy rubbish coat has come out so hopefully things will settle down with not so much clumping. And he is looking a really nice light grey now, just one more coat change to get through keep me away from the clippers !!!! :P 8) :lol:

Glass of wine time now. :wink: Burp. 8O :lol:
loried wrote:
I only wish I could brush 20 min. a day. Jazzy is going through a coat change, I get out of work at 2, have him on the table by 2:30 and line brush till 5:30 I do this 5 days a week, I have had to do this for the last 3 wks. He grow mats overnight. I have not had any trouble with whites, it is right down the middle of his back along his spine. He is like a coat factory, I should have named him Burlington :lol:


Marley was exactly the same way - we shaved - sorry :roll:

The good news is her coat is relatively easy to maintain now...unless the swim therapist isn't careful, in which case its a minimum of 8 hours to repair the damage.
I truly love all the coat he has, but what a pain in my a*#* :!: Hopefully this won't go on for much longer. I have gotten alot of the dead puppy coat though and so far it looks as if his adult coat will be just as thick and beautiful as the puppy coat, but I guess I will just have to wait and see :D
loried wrote:
I truly love all the coat he has, but what a pain in my a*#* :!: Hopefully this won't go on for much longer. I have gotten alot of the dead puppy coat though and so far it looks as if his adult coat will be just as thick and beautiful as the puppy coat, but I guess I will just have to wait and see :D


We're going through it, too. Don't feel bad. I couldn't even get a pin brush through him after one night. He turned into a giant web. Cathy ended up taking most of his puppy coat out, too and I've had to use the slicker a lot more to get through the change.
Hey... how do you brush out the belly? I cannot get Asterisk to lay on her side for the life of me. I try to get it when she's standing, but then she either sits down or lays down.

Any suggestions?
If you're not showing, I'd just shave it. Soooo much easier and you really can't tell-- it doesn't look weird and buzzed. The only other option is to keep working with her to get her used to laying on her side, which I find easier on the floor than the table for a dog that doesn't like it. I'll get the dog to lay and then gently pull the front leg closest to the floor to slide him on his side and do lots of belly rubs and talking to get him more comfortable before I brush.
So should I try to shave her belly on the floor then? When I bring the brush out when she's on the floor she runs away, faster than fast.
Shavingwise, I'd do it whatever way it gets done, you know? I usually make my husband steady the dogs if I have to do anything that they're twitchy about or likely to run away. However, I would be lying if I told you that I hadn't done the mechanic's slide under Clyde when shaving his belly before. My husband yelled "EW, that looks terrible," but that belly got shaved.

In the meantime, I'd try to just desensitize her to the brush and clippers. Leave them laying around. Pick them up and don't use them on her, that kind of thing. That'll help a lot if she isn't excited about seeing them. I have brushes in every room but that's mostly because I never put them away. ;)
Jill, I had to get a Vellus pin brush to go through the body coat, this has really helped, I can't wait to find another. I still use my scalpmaster on his whites. Maybe I will try using the slicker a little more. Thanks :D
loried wrote:
Jill, I had to get a Vellus pin brush to go through the body coat, this has really helped, I can't wait to find another. I still use my scalpmaster on his whites. Maybe I will try using the slicker a little more. Thanks :D


I never knew those brushes with the long pins had a name, lol. I can see how that might work well, though. I've found now after we got all that puppy junk out, even though he's still changing, his coat is a lot easier to work with. It gets a little webby but brushes right back out again with a regular brush.
10 minute walk to Gallopping Groomer Truck in driveway.
Mony & Laci's Mommy wrote:
10 minute walk to Gallopping Groomer Truck in driveway.


Long driveway or a slow dog???
haha forget what i said about the odd 10-20 mintues a day. ive just spent 3 hours grooming billy :(
he went to his first visit to the seaside in our caravan. 4 days of sea and sand 8) but i forgot my brush :cry: so first thing as we got back was put some washing in the machine and get the matted sandy monster in for a groom. considering he was matt free before we went he was matted all over. but hey he had a great time in the sea!
Oh no, the price to be paid for all that fun. :lol:
I feel better now :lol:
I take about an hour and a half to two hours each week for Bingley. His coat is almost completely in since his trim last November. He is now 3.
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