Every two hours all night....HELP
I try to get the right out after water, meals, rough play..etc...but still one of them goes on the floor anyway...I probably should be shot for getting two. We have had three other OES, but they were already trained when we got them. I am so busy trying to tell if they need to go out that I hardly have time to enjoy them. Probably should have tried this when I was younger, not 60! I do so appreciate the forum and everyone's caring help. Thanks, Sheryl (on the behalf of Oliver and Harry who hope their new mom can hang in there) |
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| there is an end to this, but as Tonks' and Lunas' mum will testify, having 2 at a time probably prolongs the training period. As much as I'd want 2 at a time, no way would I due to the 1+1=4 factor.
Hang in there!! |
| thanks..I will try |
Just hang in there! It'll get better  |
I think you are very brave to take on 2~~~~~ 
Heart came to us when I was 53 and I had never had a 9 week old puppy either. What an eye opener!!!! She had an early morning wakeup..(between 3 and 4) until she was about 14 months old, now at 2....she wakes me or hubby up at a sensible 5:30!!!  
As far as house training...Heart, bless her, was a quick study~~ I think it was because I have 2 other dogs and THEY taught HER!!! Just a couple of questions, suggestions... Are they getting enough exercise??? Could they be teething?? Could you nap while they nap in the day time??? ((Like when you have an infant??? ((you just have twins!!!! )
Are they in separate crates?? Or are the crates too close together?? ((Maybe one is waking up the other)) But, they are puppies and they both need to mature up which will take time....but they (((and YOU)) will get there!!!!! Word of Warning!!!!! Before anything gets mauled,, chewed or destroyed~~~~ get in the habit of putting everything you cherish behind closed doors or up on high shelves..Both of them may double team you and ruin some of your nice shoes, purses, wallets..etc!!!! Thought you may want to see my thread about my first experience with Heart's craziness!!!!!! http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?p=233017#233017 Finally???? Smile....Laugh....and enjoy both of them...they stay puppies for such a brief moment!!!!! |
| Is it too late to return one? If it is, below is some information that may help you with housetraining. It sounds like you're doing many things "right".
I have two 5 1/2 year old littermates that arrived at 9 weeks of age.... they were a blast as puppies and are now wonderful companions as adults but they required lots of time. They probably won't be housetrained for several months. They'll get much better but won't be fully trained. The older they get the easier it should be if you're consistent. Understand that there may be behavior issues to contend with later... some people here have faced this challenge with littermates. As they approach 1 year of age, they can get pushy and test boundaries. I recommend you get a good humane trainer now to help you avoid mistakes along the way. First thing in the morning when they wake up, immediately take them both out on a leash to potty in the designated area of the yard. Quietly tell them to "do your business" or whatever command you plan to use. This will teach them to potty on command. Praise quietly when they do, then back in the house for breakfast. You may find all they want to do is wrestle... try to keep them apart. 
Immediately after eating, it's back outside on a leash to potty again. If they don't potty, back in the house until a little later to try again. This is when you need to be more watchful so they don't potty on the floor. Watch for signs of sniffing/circling... watch for roaching-up if they're going to poop. If you see it, quickly escort both puppies outside. Never correct a pup for peeing/pooing in the house if you didn't catch them in the act... not even if it's a minute later. They won't understand. In the middle of play, stop and take them out. Before you kennel them up for a nap, same thing. Only allow the puppies off leash in a secure fenced area after they have pottied. They'll learn that it's business first, then play. If you plan to take one out to relieve itself, take both. If one pees on the floor, the other most likely will too while you're cleaning up after the first one. Restrict their area at this age to one room that's puppy proofed... a place where people usually gather... like a tiled kitchen for easier clean up. Do not allow them free access to the whole house except under constant supervision. If you can't watch them, they go in their crates or back to the puppy proofed room. Most puppies can learn sit and down in a matter of a few days even at 9 weeks of age. Make it fun, reward with treats, keep training sessions very short... a matter of 30 seconds to 2 minutes depending on the attention span... but several times a day. Use training methods puppies naturally follow. Train them separately... only one dog in the room. I'm glad to hear you're crating them separately. They need to grow up as individuals so they won't fall apart if one should die. Take them out separately for car rides. Once they've had all their puppy shots, take them out in public separately too. Have every member of the family work with the puppies so they will respond to everyone in the family. Place a piece of cardboard between the two crates so they can't see each other or play when they should be sleeping. It might be hard at first but mine seemed to settle faster and got used to the noises they made in their crates- http://oesusa.com/70s.jpg Do not free-feed! Feed them 3 scheduled meals each day until they reach 6 months of age (or whatever the vet/breeder recommends), then go to 2 meals a day. Feed them in their crates so they look at them as being a good place to be. Hopefully something here will help. Best wishes to you. |
| Jaci's advice is amazing. I should be following it too but my little cutie pie waits until I let him out of the designated pee area to go somewhere else. I need to be more patient and keep him on a leash until he goes before he gets to play.
Do they really need to pee every two hours or have they learned that barking and whining means they get to go outside? I would be slowly increasing the wait time in 10 minute increments to see if they can hold it longer. Puppies can usually hold it longer at night than they can during the day. In terms of helping them learn to hold it over time, my favorite book recommends going from less confinement to more over the course of the 2-3 hours between potty breaks (and longer as they get older). So if you take them out of the crate to pee, then they could be in a puppy-proofed kitchen, then on a leash at your side, then back in the crate and then back for another potty break. If they have too much freedom, they will sneak off and go somewhere you don't want them to. If you keep them close using a leash, they won't want to go in front of you and then back in the crate, they won't want to go in their sleeping/eating area. Also, in the morning, my Henry wakes up at 5am but after a pee break, I actually put in back in the crate with a stuffed kong and that way I can get a couple more hours of sleep. Having just one, I can only imagine how hard it must be with two. If you can send one back, I would seriously consider waiting until the one puppy is at least 2 (and well-trained) before getting another one. Good luck! |
SheepieBoss wrote: there is an end to this, but as Tonks' and Lunas' mum will testify, having 2 at a time probably prolongs the training period. As much as I'd want 2 at a time, no way would I due to the 1+1=4 factor.
Hang in there!! I'm here, and I'm testifying. The first 6 months were HARD. I'm glad I was in the position to take some serious time off work, because I didn't sleep a whole lot. I recall that I kept wondering that it was so much like how people describe having a baby. Are you at the point where you do laundry 6 times a day, to clean all the stuff they soil? That was fun. Invest in a GREAT dog bed. And something that looks like it will be WAY too big. If you are like me, you will nap in it more than the dogs do!!! |
sheepieshake wrote: Word of Warning!!!!! Before anything gets mauled,, chewed or destroyed~~~~ get in the habit of putting everything you cherish behind closed doors or up on high shelves..Both of them may double team you and ruin some of your nice shoes, purses, wallets..etc!!!!
Okay; here is one benefit to having two pups at one time. We had very few things destroyed. They'd chew on one another before going for anything else. I think i lost a sandal ( chewed through the strap) and Adam had one shoe that had a chew spot on the heel. And Luna figured out that de-stuffing couch pillows was a good game. But my girls are rapidly approaching 2 years old, and we still have the toy they came home from the breeder with, and I've never had to do any repairs on it!!! |
| I would just take their water up earlier, and when it's bedtime, it's bedtime, ignore them til you are ready to deal with them in the morning... they won't like it at first but they will adjust to your routine. |
Willowsprite wrote: I would just take their water up earlier, and when it's bedtime, it's bedtime, ignore them til you are ready to deal with them in the morning... they won't like it at first but they will adjust to your routine.
I'd be afraid those 9 week old bladders couldn't hold a nights worth  |
| Puppies learn quickly what works...
If I bark- Someone will come to my crate to see me. Sometimes I get something to eat or drink. Sometimes I get to go outside. Sometimes I get to play with my brother. Etc. I agree with making them wait so they don't make a game of it. You don't want to be at the pup's beckon call. They're supposed to adapt to our schedule, not us to theirs... as long as it's reasonable for the age of the pup. Just my experience with three 9 week old pups but I think 1, maybe 2 times outside to potty through the night is reasonable. By 11 weeks, they're often able to hold it from say 11pm to 5pm. You take them outside to potty on a leash, maybe give them a sip of water if it's hot out, then immediately back into the kennel. Then leave... no play or cuddling. You tend to their basic needs only then leave the room or get into bed. But remember that each pup is an individual... some pups may just need to go more often. The joys of a puppy that stays with the breeder until they're 10-12 weeks of age... Bumble arrived at 11 weeks and he had been pretty much house trained by his mother. I never experienced this before. He had probably 6-7 accidents in the house as a pup and all were my fault because I hadn't understood his way of saying he had to potty. I never had a dog that barked at me when he had to go! I was a slow learner.  The signs are usually much more subtle. |
6Girls wrote: The joys of a puppy that stays with the breeder until they're 10-12 weeks of age... Bumble arrived at 11 weeks and he had been pretty much house trained by his mother. I never experienced this before. He had probably 6-7 accidents in the house as a pup and all were my fault because I hadn't understood his way of saying he had to potty.
I never had a dog that barked at me when he had to go! I was a slow learner. The signs are usually much more subtle.Exactly my point when I try to explain this to new owners! Another thing...............the only time my dogs have ever barked to go out is in the middle of the night. I give them credit because they always have a good reason. During daytime hours I have never had a dog that barked to go out. Might be because they are on somewhat of a schedule too so the need to go isn't always there. |
| I dont envy you with two to train at the same age, everything takes longer for them to finally click.
From me who kept 2 from a litter. Lot harder and took several months till no accidents in the house.
Follow jacis advice, we did the run out with the leads too for pottying they had to go before off the leads to play together. Also they had seperate at times outside play on their own. Slept them apart, blocked view from one to the other at night in the crates, last potty was about 11 at night, up at 5 in the morning, hubby took one out and I took the other out on the leads, then we all went back to bed.  Till a decent not so ungodly hour of the morning.
Also doing one on one activities with each seperately so they dont become so reliant on each other instead of you. Leave one at home, take the other for a car ride etc. Same with basic lead training, things like sit etc so they learn individually to listen to you, if you try the two at the same time, Puppy Kaos.  They distract each other.
Should start taking them individually too, to puppy Kindy, one, one week the other the next till they have had all there vacs and can enter the big wide wonderfull world.
Try to do anything to do with training, seperately till they are older that way they are learning from you and taking in what you want from them, individually. |
Chauncey wrote: Willowsprite wrote: I would just take their water up earlier, and when it's bedtime, it's bedtime, ignore them til you are ready to deal with them in the morning... they won't like it at first but they will adjust to your routine. I'd be afraid those 9 week old bladders couldn't hold a nights worth I agree. When my two were little, one went to bed (by choice) at 9, the other with me at 11, they got up anywhere between 1 and 3 and then were good until morning - well early morning, like 5
The slept in seperate crates, next to each other. One was 6 weeks older and she was calmer at night. letting Morgan sleep next to her seemed to calm him down more quickly. I also did seperate walks at night before bed for some me time, they went to seperate puppy classes (still go to seperate classes) and had seperate feeding spaces and play times with us. Now at almost 4, they are bonded to each otehr to a degree, but much more so with me than they would have been if they were always kept together. |
| Tonks and Luna shared a crate, but it was a crate with a divider in it. We knew it would be important to separate them, but also for them to still see and hear each other. One nice result of that was that we never had the crying all night thing that people often complain about.
We always did potty breaks on leash, and even tried training them to pee on command, which worked out great! They don't poop on command, which I sort of am sorry about. But its nice that "going out" is time to do business and not time to play. Luna was much slower to potty train than Tonks. But once we introduced a bell for her to ring to signal that she had to go out, it all worked out very well. We also did training with the dogs both together and separately. Since Tonks and Luna had some resource guarding and fighting issues, it was important that they learn to work together, but equally important that they get their own time with myself and Adam. I think the most important thing we learned was that YOU have to be the Alpha. If either Adam or myself had been a more clear cut leader, alot of my girls fighting issues may not have developed. Make sure you rule your pack, and that they don't rule you. Which isn't to say you need to go all "Cesar Milan" on them; just make sure that they understand you are the boss, and what you say is the law. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: just make sure that they understand you are the boss, and what you say is the law.
At least let them know you are the MOM having kids first helps there  |
kerry wrote: Darth Snuggle wrote: just make sure that they understand you are the boss, and what you say is the law. At least let them know you are the MOM having kids first helps there I can see how it would. Having no mom experience, I guess I fell back on my managerial skill set for this analogy. But you are right; its more Mom than Boss. After all, I'm the one at the park with the doggy-neosporin and the bandages for every dog with a boo boo. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: kerry wrote: Darth Snuggle wrote: just make sure that they understand you are the boss, and what you say is the law. At least let them know you are the MOM having kids first helps there I can see how it would. Having no mom experience, I guess I fell back on my managerial skill set for this analogy. But you are right; its more Mom than Boss. After all, I'm the one at the park with the doggy-neosporin and the bandages for every dog with a boo boo. When I my husband and I got our first dog together, he had a really hard time with training and correction...until I told him..."pretend he's one of your (highschool) students...use the TEACHER voice." Worked like a charm! |
ravenmoonart wrote: When I my husband and I got our first dog together, he had a really hard time with training and correction...until I told him..."pretend he's one of your (highschool) students...use the TEACHER voice." Worked like a charm! You are SO right! Some days the girls will listen to me regardless of the voice I use; other days I have to use my no-nonsense training voice!!! |
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