Some general questions
My first question is about the "most objectionable" colors of brown and fawn. A few days ago I saw a fawn and and white OES, and I thought it was just gorgeous. I'm curious as to why these colors are discouraged (i.e. are they due to inbreeding, or are they just uncommon genetically). Also, I'd like to know how (un)common those colorations are. I'm guessing that it's not very common. The other thing I want to ask right now is how hard it would be to get a breeder not to crop the tail. I mean, do they have to crop all the pups in the litter before they can differentiate the show-quality animals from the normal pets? Or do they make those decisions early enough that they would consider not cropping the tail of one of the pups? I ask because I do not like tail/ear cropping or declawing of animals, and I also like the look of the tailed OES (I've seen them in Europe). Anyway, like I said, I'm just starting to think about this. I'd appreciate any feedback!  |
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| Hi Ian,
I've never seen a fawn and white OES, but those colors are definitely a no no! There are OES who have brown tinges to them and this can be due to a multiple number of reasons...sometimes certain medicines affect the coat color and if the dog is left outside, the sun can change the coat color. I'd suggest you take a peek here: http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... andard.htm and you'll see what the standards are for the breed here in the U.S. As for tail cropping, I doubt you'll be able to find an OES through a reputable breeder here in the states who would be willing to NOT crop the tail. It is done at 2-3 days old. Anything later than that is considered major surgery. Since breeders don't know or decide on what is pet and what is show quality until later, all the tails are cropped. You might want to check all the OES Rescue organizations for available dogs. A lot of OES end up in rescue and often they are "with tail". As for declawing...the OES has dew claws removed at the same time it has the tail cropped. This is NOT for aesthetic reasons, but for safety issues. The dew claw can get caught up and tangled and torn out if not removed. Have you also considered contacting a European breeder? That would probably be your best bet for a 'with tail' OES. Best wishes, Cathy |
| Hi Ian! Have you checked out NEOESR lately? I noticed they have a sheepie with a tail right now! (Way cute!) Good luck with your info gathering!
Karen |
| Hi Ian,
I guess I can comment on this topic, since I rescued an OES almost two years ago with a tail and has alittle fawn in her ears. She also has dew claws. I think she might have been from a backyard breeder and wasn't to standard and someone dumped her off on the freeway in Arkansas. I'm only guessing. The dog catcher picked her up and placed her at the local shelter where a friend of mine called me up and I had her flown to Michigan. Mollie looks just like the OES's in Europe. When, I can figure out how to post her picture on Avatar, I'll show her with that beautiful tail. I just got a OES puppy which is to standard. They are both very much loved and spoiled. Best of Luck to you, Karen, Mollie and Beau |
ian wrote: My first question is about the "most objectionable" colors of brown and fawn. A few days ago I saw a fawn and and white OES, and I thought it was just gorgeous. I'm curious as to why these colors are discouraged (i.e. are they due to inbreeding, or are they just uncommon genetically). Also, I'd like to know how (un)common those colorations are. I'm guessing that it's not very common.
) I would guess that you may have seen a Fawn and White Bearded Collie - not an OES. Did it have a tail? Here's pictures of some.. http://beardie.net/bcca/About_Beardies/coat/color2.htm |
| I love the look of the OES with tail intact! It is my hope that one day the AKC will allow OES with intact tails as they do in Europe.
The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is another dog who looks similar to the OES. Also very nice dogs. |
| Welcome to the forum Ian! It is great to see you are doing your homework first, it is not a decision to be taken lightly, and I'm happy to see you are not.
I would also guess what you saw was a beardie not an oes.... Brown or fawn coloring in itself doesn't lead to any health problems, but in my opinion, a breeder producing that coloration in a dog whose standard plainly states they should not be those colors, is questionable. If they are not following basic standard, what else are they not doing in regards to health testing, concerns with temperment, etc. If they don't care what they are producing, then they won't care to help someone who buys a pup from them down the road when something goes wrong. This is a great place to begin learning as much as you can in preparation for adding a fur baby to your life, whether it be an OES, or a beardie!  |
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