Old English Cross
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| What does a cross like that look like? Do you have any pictures? |
| Why would anyone intentionally cross a purebred with something else. If you are looking for a mix breed. Go to your local shelter. Just because they are not an OES/Lab there are some really terrific other mixes without creating a whole nother litter of shelter puppies. If someone breeds a purebred with another breed that is not very responsible breeding and negates what a breeder's goal should be which is improving the breed...not the reverse. |
wtheisenhalsey wrote: Why would anyone intentionally cross a purebred with something else. [...] If someone breeds a purebred with another breed that is not very responsible breeding and negates what a breeder's goal should be which is improving the breed...not the reverse. "[...]not very responsible breeding[...]" I think that you should preface that with "in my opinion" or "I think" as others may have a very different opinion than you do. In fact, moorefarm's opinion was that this mix made for the sweetest of dogs. In other's opinions, some of the actions of "responsible breeders" as you would call them, have developed traits in breeds that others would call questionable. Some breeds have been developed (improved?) to the point that they can't breathe, and can't give birth naturally, and a whole host of other problems. And "improve" to what? To the standards set by whom? Fluffiness? Size of the stop? Check out this quote from the AKC standard: Quote: Any shade of gray, grizzle, blue or blue merle with or without white markings or in reverse. Any shade of brown or fawn to be considered distinctly objectionable and not to be encouraged. Brown hair is distinctly objectionable? The breed standard goes on for a couple of pages, then ENDS with: Quote: Temperament
An adaptable, intelligent dog of even disposition, with no sign of aggression, shyness or nervousness. Hmmmm. 1 sentence, quite vague. Are they trying to improve the quality of show dogs, or the quality of our human/canine relationship? Which should be more important? Personally, I don't have a problem with what most breeders are trying to do. I also can't fault someone for wanting the breed, whether purebred or mix, that they want. I further would like to see all shelters empty. There are many, many MANY purebreds filling the shelters. So by your logic, should all breeders stop breeding until all the shelters are empty? |
| Here's a link to an OES/black lab cross on Petfinder. It's not a puppy, but may be worth checking out...
http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action ... w=1&row=50 Cindy & The Monster's |
| I was not looking for someone that crossed them. I was looking for a accident. Sorry I came to the wrong sight |
| Hey... Unfair!
After rereading my post, I see that I should have been a little more clear: Everybody's opinion is welcome here! I support moorefarm's right to want the dog of his/her own choosing, even if cross breeding on purpose would be required. Personally, I think it's ok, and I realize that others may have a different opinion, including wtheisenhalsey, who I asked to rephrase in the form of opinion. One poster offered up a link to help you find the dog you wanted, and another posted a request for pictures. While you may have come to the wrong site for other reasons (maybe you don't like the open policy or the looks of the pages or whatever), please don't go away feeling that the site didn't welcome your participation and your opinions! And.... please stay! -Ron. |
| I'll refrain from my personal opinions about engineered cross breeds -- the point is, they do exist and there are certainly some that need homes.
Just a heads up that there is an OES/Lab cross on www.petfinder.com. Just do a search for Dog -- Old English Sheepdog -- National and you'll find the dog. His name is Ebson and he's in OH. (This is as of 9/22/03). Good luck. |
| Pretty rough opinion ron,
i breed purebred oes but this gentleman was just trying to replace a family member with something close to what he loved. i think your responce sucked! |
| Geez Zach,
In my opinion, Ron was pretty supportive of the poster wishing a lab/oes cross. He even defended that position. Why did you feel his response was harsh? Thanks |
| I have to agree - Ron's post was both level-headed and supportive of the original poster. His only Beef was with a subsequent member's mean-spirited (in my opinion) reaction to the orginal question, and Ron quoted them in context - have I mssed something? |
| Please forgive my error. I stand corrected and give my apology to Ron and all readers. Thank you Fritzi and Mike for making me aware of my this. I read it several times before I wrote but somewhere I mis-read what was being said and got upset.
Best wishes to all! Zach |
| Well, Zach, Ron may or may not forgive you (probably will 'cause he's a touch) but I will only forgive you i you post an OES puppy picture from one of your litters. Am feeling the need for a puppy fix. |
| Be glad to post a puppy pic if I knew how. Anybody help me out? |
| Zach,
Ron wrote: Currently, the pictures have to be already on the web, then you can post the link to it by placing the "img" tags around it. For instance, to get a picture located at http://www.oes.org/assets/images/OESflag.jpg , you would type:
 That will show the image in the post. Cheers, Mikey & the Woof (Who's 1 year old on Saturday!) PS Ironically, I've had to put spaces between the "img" tags and the URL of the picture Ron used in his example - otherwise you'd have just seen the picture, rhather than the instruction! - these obviously would need to be removed..... |
| Thanks for replying. I've been very busy lately.....
To prevent tags from being interpreted as formatting instructions, just check the "Disable BBCode in this post" box, and they will be taken as literal text instead. Also, see this post for an alternative or two: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?p=641#641 |
| Looking for "moorefarm"... your emails are bouncing.
Theres and Old English/Black Lab mix puppy on petfinder (infact there are two!) http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action ... mpl=&stat= http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action ... mpl=&stat= I hope you come back and read this thread... |
| mixed breeding brought such cute mixes as labradoodles and peekapoos to people with allergies, allowing for more breeds to be selected from. if sheepie crosses can let a person with allergies herd sheep or something otherwise impossible, i say go for it. its just a matter of doing it responsibly and caring for the pups. |
| side note: have you heard the old saying that if your dog has spots in its mouth it has chow in its breed?
OES were bred from a variety of animals, eventually creating the breed we all know and love enough to create/join a website, would anyone have talked the people/dogs out of creating this breed?.......then why talk them out of mixing? i think it will be cute. |
| So, what's next? Specific breeding of humans to do away with any qualities some might find objectionable? If you're looking for a purebred, by all means, go get one, but let other people make THEIR choice. |
| ^ agreed ^ that's what i was stubbling around in concentric circles. |
| Personally, I think that everyone on this forum has lost
their minds!! Do you people not have anything better to do? |
| There are two puppies available on petfinder who are stated to be OES and black lab mixes. You should check them out. They are very cute and very young. |
| Purposely breeding mixes such as peekapoos and some of the other designer breeds (i.e. Puggles) is out of control as far as I'm concerned. These are puppies - not pocketbooks or jeans. Labradoodles were created for a specific purpose - now it has become a FAD! They are breeding different breeds together - not to create a certain quality in a breed - but as a "designer" dog. Most of these dogs being sold as these newly created breeds are bred in puppy mills.
OES aren't hypo-allergenic dogs - there's no purpose of creating mix breed OES (other than the cute factor of course!). Adopting mix-breed puppies that were bred by accident is a different story! People need to stop spending thousands of dollars on the latest FAD breed and help save one of the thousands of puppies in shelters! They also need to Spay & Neuter! Soon we're going to need Labradoodle Rescue organizations - to help the dogs that are discarded once the fad fades! By the way, I saw those pictures of the lab/oes mixes - they are adorable!!!! Yesterday - there were 6 or 7 - today only 2 left! So - alot of people must have thought they were cute. My sister fell in love with Furby! JMHO. Kristen |
Hvacwife wrote: Personally, I think that everyone on this forum has lost Does that mean you're for or against cross-breeding?
their minds!! Do you people not have anything better to do? Don't you find it interesting that you didn't experience retaliatory hostility following your post? Either we've lost our minds or the sheepdog has a calming effect on one's personality. Either way... Cheers! (And thanks to all for the civility!) |
| Hey Kristen, my wife and I also fell in love with Furby....and he's coming home to us next weekend!!!!!!
Fort those of you that didn't see it, here he is: 
Here's Furby's story: Mom is a purebred Lab, and dad is a purebred OES "show dog" from up the block. This was indeed an accidental breeding....but if you ask me, kind of irresponsible on the part of the show dog's owners. There were 9 pups in the liter and they are all now 7 weeks old. As you can see from the first picture, he looks like an all black OES puppy! We'll see what he grows into, but since my first thought was to Rescue (if you haven't, feel free to see my "I need to vent" post on the Rescue topic) we end up with the best of both world in my opinion. We are rescuing Furby and can't wait for him to come home. Preparations are being made such as getting the right sized crate (he's probably going to be huge) leads, bowls etc....oh, and of course, "Puppies for Dummies" It a apretty good reference so far!. Here's another one of Furby....looks like they's already had the pups outdoors...kind of worries me a bit, but I've already made the vet appointment for his first checkup, so we'll make sure he's all healthy.  |
Congratulations on your new family member! I checked the links to Petfinder, and those puppies ARE cute! (Don't know if one of them is Furby? Your pics aren't inserted yet). I think it's fantastic that you are willing to take on a mixed breed, when so many are deadset against anything but a purebred.  |
jsmarcus wrote: Mom is a purebred Lab, and dad is a purebred OES "show dog" from up the block. This was indeed an accidental breeding....but if you ask me, kind of irresponsible on the part of the show dog's owners. There were 9 pups in the liter and they are all now 7 weeks old.
It was irresponsible on the part of the show dog's owner - and the labs owners. But - at least they were responsible enough (the lab owners anyway) in allowing a Rescue to place these puppies - so they can ensure the right homes are selected. I'm thrilled for you and your wife Josh! All those puppies were adorable - great combinations! I love to watch them grow up to see what they'll look like. You may end up with the best of both worlds! A sheepie puppy that listens like a Lab - and maybe you'll get the best of both in the grooming dept too - not too much undercoat to cause matting - but not Lab fur that sheds too much!  Furby will probably have the best personality you could hope for!!!
My sister will be jealous! 
Look forward to hearing all the great stories and seeing updated pictures. Don't worry about them being outside - I'm sure they've had their first set of shots already. (I would think anyway). Good Luck! Kristen |
| just look at that cute little face! im so happy for you and "furby". 2 of my babies are mixes from very irresposible breeders. they were being given away out in front of the grocery store. with neville (lab,pit,great dane x) i new who the family was and new that he needed something better.
You do know that that tail is going to HURT in a few month right? nev got me in the eye the other day. lol enjoy the puppy breath. cher |
wow!!some harsh postings.to be honest i have had mostly pure breed dogs.when my daughter was like 14months old her dad and i wanted her to be raised w/ a dog she could call hers.teach her how to care and love something other than her mommy and dady.now at this point in my life like i said i only had pure breeds,and unfortunatly about 80% of them wasnt right.for example 1collie of mine had epilipsy *sp had some aweful sezures i did everything i could for him,but it was heart breaking when he'd have a sezure,1wire fox terrier was just not all there,meaning he was very werid,he would play and make himself dizzy??  he however did win 1st place in obidence,but at the age of 8ish he stilled went potty in the house???very strange.......then i had a poodle at the age of 4 she had an aweful eye disease that left her blind,and her eyes hurt her so much,yes we stilled loved all of them,but it was very costly for us....so when it was time to get a puppy for my daughter we looked into mix breeds.we found a maltese/yorkie he has been so wonderful for her,he is now 6 never been sick a day in his life(knocking on wood)he follows her around every where,and is truely a buddy for her.eddie is his name and he is very loving and my daughter loves him so much she treats hiom like a humane baby,it is so cute.and yes i have a sheepie(who i love dearly!!),and i have another collie and i love them to bits,but mix breeds can be just as loving and wonderful has a pure breed.the only thing i dont like it when people OVER breed a certain breed like collies,shepards,poodles and such because then the breed itsnt has pure has breeds like the sheepie.im a lover of all animals pure or mix ugly or cute they all deserve love respect and a loving home.....and BTW i think most of you were very sweet in helping the guy wanting a sheepie/lad mix.i would love to know IF he found his baby yet??? |
| Looks like I am a bit late looking for the same lab/OES mix. If there are any more out there i'd love to have one. We were purebred OES folks until our female mixed with the show lab that jumped the fence from up the street in 1985. Our first mix, Bates was an amazing dog. Our second, Riley, jusy gave in to cancer last year. Neither ever saw a leash they needed. I have young children and I really do not want any other dog; my older kids loved the last dog very physically, and she was a sweet heart through it all. This mix has been the perfect pet for the past 23 years. By the way, my folks still have a not nearly so perfect purebred OES. I'll take this great mix for my kids. |
| Just check www.petfinder.com If you search on Old English Sheepdog about half of the dogs that come up will be mixed with something. If there aren't any lab crosses listed today, just keep checking back until you find one.
If you search on labs you'll get anything shorthaired that maybe looks like a lab and may or may not be one, so I'd look at the OES mixes first. Lots of great shaggy mixes in shelters everywhere. Best of luck! Kristine |
Hvacwife wrote: Personally, I think that everyone on this forum has lost
their minds!! Do you people not have anything better to do? Nice bit of trolling there! Are you a qualified physician? |
| The way Archie was befriending some local working Lab bitches, I took the step to Neuter Archie - I was not allowed to use him for breeding anyway, I did wonder how the mix would turn out, those black pups in the posts above do indeed look nice, but I wonder what other mixed traits could carry.
For instance could you end up with a normal sized OES normal markings but with just an oily coat? Maybe an OES mix with the appetite of an over weight Lab? I am sure that certain mixtures from the parents may not be desirable and the puppies could end up being unwanted? I am not against mixes, rather I am wondering what you could end up with? |
| Hello
I do hope you find the puppy of your dreams. We did. Meet Penny she is a happy accident, she has a lab mum and OES dad and is wonderful. She is 25 weeks now and is just a beautiful dog. She is more like a lab with smooth black fur and has a slightly fluffy tail like OES. She is playful, obedient, slightly timid but not too bad and loves her family. Her brothers and sisters were a mix of fluffy, shaggy and smooth, some were black and white and one was all black. Just smashing. Sue Good luck Sorry cant up load so look at flickr suebarratt x |
| We just got a OES black lab mix. The nicest best puppy in the world. Not to mention adorable, keep looking....well worth it. |
| I am in the process of re-homing an oes/lab cross puppy that is 3 months old. The mother is a pure bred oes and the father a pure bred blk lab. He is mostly black with some white on his feet and chest I was wondering does anyone have any pics they can share with me to see what he could possibly look like fully grown. It will be fun seeing him grow and I am delighted to hear so many great comments on this mix of dog. Although he was an accident by the parents owners I am more than glad to have him as part of our family!! |
| My new puppy Hank is an OES cross and he's absolutely adorable!!! He looks just like a mini OES to me. His cross is either a border collie or a bearded collie... He seems to have mostly an OES personality, but is also very calm. He's 6 mo's now and only 30lbs.  I would like him to be a little bigger, but so far, that's the only problem we've come across. Here is a link to some photos. The bright pics in the kitchen were taken at his first grooming session. My kitchen table is serving as his grooming table for the time being... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... f2a266f2c1 |
| What a sweet fuzzy face I expect he'll be getting bigger if he's only 6 months old. Congratulations! |
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