Rally A or B ??
Can anyone help me out? Thanks |
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| If you put a CD (or beyond) on a dog, you have to show in Novice B. If you've never titled a dog in rally OR obedience, you can show in Novice A. Otherwise not. After you title your first dog in either, you can never go back to Novice B.
In advanced it's different yet again. Since Belle already had a CD, I had to show her in Advanced B (no big deal) However, if I don't title Sybil in obedience before I do advanced with her, I can show her in Advanced A. So in advanced what you enter is based on the dog you're entering, not if you've put obedience titles on OTHER dogs. Clear as mud? 
Are you entering Waukesha at the end of July? (The Wisconsin OES club's specialty weekend) Kristine |
Interesting.........although rally still looks too difficult to me! I know I have to enter José in Novice B in obedience since I have already titled a dog at that level. But if I take him on to Open in obedience I can enter him in Open A since Melody got too old before we finished her Open title. So you are telling me that since I have titled a dog in obedience, if I decide to try rally I need to enter at the B level? You are right......clear as mud  |
ChSheepdogs wrote: Interesting.........although rally still looks too difficult to me! I know I have to enter José in Novice B in obedience since I have already titled a dog at that level. But if I take him on to Open in obedience I can enter him in Open A since Melody got too old before we finished her Open title. So you are telling me that since I have titled a dog in obedience, if I decide to try rally I need to enter at the B level? You are right......clear as mud
Sorry, yes you do. Unless and until you put an OTCH on a dog , you will always start a dog working on his CDX in Open A (unless you choose to enter B, which you can always do). And the same with Utility A, until the dog gets his UD. Once they have a CDX, if you enter open again, it needs to be the B class, and the same with the UD/Utility B. UDX legs come from the Open/Utility B classes only.
I get confused about the rally regs and have to reread them before I enter a dog.
And rally is hard in that much of the onus is on the handler remembering the course. You'd think with my agility background this would be easy, but agility does not involve reading signs as you go along. In that way, obedience is so much more relaxing. However, that's probably because we started in obedience. I've noticed that people who start in rally can have a hard time transitioning to obedience. I'm struggling to get Jan to understand when it's permissable to give commands and when to keep her mouth shut and to please stop giving all of these extra body language cues. None of it is intuitive to her. Well, not that it would be. I figure if I drag her to enough run-thrus and keep commenting on the exercises she'll pick it up that way.
Definitely do rally run-thrus if you have them out your way. They're more for the handler than the dog. 
Kristine |
Not to confuse matters more, BUT, what if you are starting two dogs and both are entered in Novice A because you have never been this craz..  I mean committed before. If one finishes his title on the same day that the other one is entered and qualifies, does that not count? should you enter one dog in A and one in B? And no Kristine only entering one dog is not the answer since so few trials are anywhere near us and I am somewhat impatient - with three dogs to put rally titles on |
kerry wrote: Not to confuse matters more, BUT, what if you are starting two dogs and both are entered in Novice A because you have never been this craz..
I mean committed before. If one finishes his title on the same day that the other one is entered and qualifies, does that not count? should you enter one dog in A and one in B? And no Kristine only entering one dog is not the answer since so few trials are anywhere near us and I am somewhat impatient - with three dogs to put rally titles on
I've entered multiple dogs. The older I get, the less I like the stress if they're all green, but I understand why you would do so. Once you title a dog, all subsequent entries must be in Novice B, PLUS you need to move that dog to Novice B (or up to Advanced A) and any other dog not yet titled to Novice B in any trials they are entered in which HAVEN'T CLOSED YET. (You just send a note to the trial secretary - it must be in writing but e-mail is generally acceptable) If you're entered in a trial two weeks later and Morgan titles and Marley needs one more leg (or whatever) you don't lose any legs Marley earns that day and you can still show her (and Morgan for that matter) in Novice A at the upcoming trial because (a) they were already entered and (b) the show had already closed. Does that make sense? Kristine |
surprisingly yes  but you forgot B in the example (as in Beowulf ) |
LOL - what entertaining mental reading. 
You can of course just skip all the thinking and enter in B all the time!  |
| Because I was silly to get interested in rally before ever going to a dog show or seeing an event (the training class sounded interesting) I have not background and I am courious. Why do the have a class A and B - it is the same course. Is it just that the B handlers have more experience? |
| ............Every time I THINK I understand this.....I THINK about it ((too hard))) and get confused again.
Just to be clear!!!
Pearl and Heart have their Novice Rally title...but I have decided to keep Heart in Novice since she has a REAL problem with focusing on me OFF lead..((as soon as we get into the ring, and 'feel's the leash being removed, I can almost see her brain leaving her body as well...))~~~~~ Sorry...I digress...
Anyway....Pearl will enter Advanced A....Heart will stay as Novice but be a B.....uhhhhh...is that correct????? 
Once I decide to advance Heart to Advance..she will be Advanced A......UNTIL I get an Advanced title on Pearl on....THEN Heart will be Advance B and Pearl will go onto Excellent A???????????  
SIDENOTE::: THIS is why more people do NOT get involved with performance!!!! WAyyyYYYY more confusing that any sign in the RING!!!!!!!!!!!! 
((((((((If not for Harry's mom constently REMINDING me what class I need to enter for which dog, I would probably be sitting on my couch on a Saturday afternoon, instead of 'enjoying' the stressfilled, luggage carrying, long drives out to some metal building, standing around for 3 hours for 3 minutes in the ring, only to have my dog 'walk' over the second sign...*longjump* but score a 94 and would have gotten 2nd place...but NQ'd instead!!!!!!!!    ...BUT I would really like to ((finally)) undertand this so I won't have to rely on her kindness and patience......)))))))) |
Monster Mom wrote: Because I was silly to get interested in rally before ever going to a dog show or seeing an event (the training class sounded interesting) I have not background and I am courious. Why do the have a class A and B - it is the same course. Is it just that the B handlers have more experience?
You are not silly to get interested. Just take a class and have fun, then if you decide to enter a trial I am sure your instructor could help you figure out which class to enter. And yes, the B handlers do have more experience. It has too do with placement and the all important ribbons that they do not want inexperienced handlers competing against experienced handlers. |
| Wow, and I thought conformation showing was hard to figure out at first! |
Willowsprite wrote: Wow, and I thought conformation showing was hard to figure out at first!
Conformation is hard to figure out and in my opinion even harder than performance. I just suppose it depends on what you are involved in. You can always do what I do Stacy - just enter with some kind OES person telling you how to enter and then never worry about the next level because you are running Harry and destined to stay at the bottom anyway. |
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