puppy search - turns out not so nice
However, one breeder felt that my intentions are to breed. So far from the truth. In getting the word out on me - a "warning" about me was placed on a breeder site. Breeders were warned not to allow their pups to come to our home that I was attempting to become a BYB. this breeder does not know me or my home. She does know my female OES who is a wonderful speciman of the breed. I was honest with the breeder and was treated in not so nice a way. In looking for an oes I also attempted contacting rescues. Not one has returned an email or call. My husband had a deaf sheepie for 13 years. We have a love of the breed and have no intention of breeding. I too am so disgusted with how some sheepies have been treated by not so reputable breeders. We are good people who simply love the breed. A sheepie would be thrilled to be here. This situation is sad - there may also be other people like me who are getting this treatment. I would love for that breeder to come to my home and see for herself. Thank you to all who have helped me and were kind and understanding. |
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| Sorry forgot an important fact. We do fix our pups at the proper ages. Some breeders insist on this while others have a different opinion. Over the course of my lifetime, my dogs have always been fixed. There would never be a chance of an "accidental" breeding. |
| If your intention is not to breed, and you are forthcoming with that information while you are inquiring, you should not have a problem getting a pup.
Most breeders on the OESCA list will only allow you limited registration, meaning you can register the pup, but none of its offspring. Plus most of the breeders have contracts in place saying that you must prove spay or neutering by a certain age. Have you talked to the breeder where you got your girl puppy from? If you are looking for a young puppy through rescue, they are not available too often. There are plenty of juvenile males available through various rescues in the US. Not sure which breeders may have treated you unkindly, but please keep in mind that not all puppy buyers have the best intentions, hence why they are so protective... |
| Have you filled out any applications for a rescue?
Sometimes rescue volunteers can not return all calls without having an application on file to refer to. This is to fit the right dog to the right family. Good Luck...hope you soon find a friend! |
| That one breeder is ME, I do not find it a good idea to have 2 puppies at the same time and in particular female and male with the risk of "accidental" breedings with 2 lines which do not fit.
As I wrote to you: No I don't know you, I am only very careful Edy guest wrote: I have been looking for a male oes puppy and met some wonderful breeders and not so nice breeders. Having a love for the breed and experience, my husband and I recently purchased a home with an acre and we fenced it. All this because we wanted two sheepies - boy and girl. Our intention is not to breed. We want a "family" and the pups to grow up together. All we want is to share our love and our home with two OESs. We have the experience, land, the room in the house, and lots of love. A great place! There is no hidden agenda but love. However, one breeder felt that my intentions are to breed. So far from the truth. In getting the word out on me - a "warning" about me was placed on a breeder site. Breeders were warned not to allow their pups to come to our home that I was attempting to become a BYB. this breeder does not know me or my home. She does know my female OES who is a wonderful speciman of the breed. I was honest with the breeder and was treated in not so nice a way. In looking for an oes I also attempted contacting rescues. Not one has returned an email or call. My husband had a deaf sheepie for 13 years. We have a love of the breed and have no intention of breeding. I too am so disgusted with how some sheepies have been treated by not so reputable breeders. We are good people who simply love the breed. A sheepie would be thrilled to be here. This situation is sad - there may also be other people like me who are getting this treatment. I would love for that breeder to come to my home and see for herself. Thank you to all who have helped me and were kind and understanding. |
| I found out later that there was a female puppy already, I also asked why not take another female
Edy VerveUp wrote: If your intention is not to breed, and you are forthcoming with that information while you are inquiring, you should not have a problem getting a pup. Most breeders on the OESCA list will only allow you limited registration, meaning you can register the pup, but none of its offspring. Plus most of the breeders have contracts in place saying that you must prove spay or neutering by a certain age. Have you talked to the breeder where you got your girl puppy from? If you are looking for a young puppy through rescue, they are not available too often. There are plenty of juvenile males available through various rescues in the US. Not sure which breeders may have treated you unkindly, but please keep in mind that not all puppy buyers have the best intentions, hence why they are so protective... |
| I fully disclosed the fact I have a 16 week old female. As for rescue, I was willing to adopt any age, well not a senior.
I sure can understand and respect a breeder for being extremely careful with their pups. That is a sign of a good breeder. I prefer one that does not allow pups to go to anyone. Edy also asked my today why not adopt another female. I may have been misinformed on that - I asked Edy - do two females get along? is there a struggle for alpha? |
| You did not ask me anything about 2 females, no they do not struggle for Alpha and surely they get along.There is no difference .
Edy guest wrote: I fully disclosed the fact I have a 16 week old female. As for rescue, I was willing to adopt any age, well not a senior. I sure can understand and respect a breeder for being extremely careful with their pups. That is a sign of a good breeder. I prefer one that does not allow pups to go to anyone. Edy also asked my today why not adopt another female. I may have been misinformed on that - I asked Edy - do two females get along? is there a struggle for alpha? |
| I did not ask about two females prior to today. An email was sent recently to Edy asking advice on that.
My biggest disappointment is the fact that my name and email address are posted on a list of breeders warning them not to allow me to adopt. That is not very kind nor was the thought of me becoming a byb. If a breeder speaks with me and/or sees my home, they would be quite happy to have a puppy in this environment. i have joined this forum but having some trouble logging in. will post photos of my gigi. and our lifestyle. |
| Did you fill out an application with any rescue group? |
| I think it would be a good idea if you and Edy discussed this off the forum since it sounds like it may have been just a miscommunication. |
ButtersStotch wrote: I think it would be a good idea if you and Edy discussed this off the forum since it sounds like it may have been just a miscommunication.
sorry did not want to start a war Edy |
bizboots wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: I think it would be a good idea if you and Edy discussed this off the forum since it sounds like it may have been just a miscommunication. sorry did not want to start a war Edy No, of course not. I didn't mean it that way at all. |
| Only wanted other breeders to know i am not looking to breed just for a pet. Also let others looking for a puppy not to be turned off to an oes by an experience they may have.
I have a lot of respect for Edy and would love one of hers. Just did not want my name out there as not a good owner. |
| If you would be willing to take rescue dogs, we have a number of females and males, a few of which are rather young (less than 2). Fill out an app on our website and either myself or Carol will contact you right away.
Mokan OES Rescue - www.mokanoesrescue.org |
| Thank you for your site. We live a bit far from you. The rescues in the se and florida have been contacted. will keep you posted.
I am a registered user now no long a guest. |
| Seems to me that Dixie OES Rescue doesn't seem to be repsonding to any inquiries, so don't take it personally.
The person running the rescue didn't bother to respond to two emails that I have sent to her over the course of a few months. |
| Marie is very busy , aslo running a store, try calling her at 10PM or before 9AM
Edy Ron wrote: Seems to me that Dixie OES Rescue doesn't seem to be repsonding to any inquiries, so don't take it personally. The person running the rescue didn't bother to respond to two emails that I have sent to her over the course of a few months. |
| Raising 2 sibling puppies is a tremendous challenge. I know; I've done it.
I sought my puppy with little research or knowledge. I went about acquiring my companion in all the wrong ways, and was suckered in by a far less than reputable breeder. I ended up taking home 2 pups when I went in for one, and my breeder was glad to take double the money, rather than warn me of the huge difficulties in raising 2 pups. Afterwards I learned that any decent breeder would never adopt out sibling pups, due to the challenges in raising said pups; not because of the possibility of breeding. Though I guess that could be part of it as well. I ended up putting my job on hold for 6 months to raise our 2 pups. We faced all sorts of issues, including sibling rivalry that resulted in them fighting viciously 5 out of 7 days of the week. We had trainers and our vet suggesting we re-home one pup by the time they were 5 months old. Instead I paid a huge amount of money for one on one training with a specialist that deals with aggressive dogs, and a behaviorist. And it all pointed to the same thing; my dogs weren't aggressive; they were siblings sharing a household, trying to sort things out. Don't be offended; the breeders that turned you down were trying to help you; not be rude to you. Ours has been a very challenging time; a hard road to walk. Was it worth it? Of course; I adore my dogs. But not everyone is in the position to quit their jobs and throw thousands of dollars at training and behaviorists and veterinarians. And most would probably re-home one of these difficult pups rather than suffer the hardships we did. The breeders are only thinking of the well being of their dogs, as well as that of their potential owners. When you get a dog from a reputable breeder, you become part of their dogs' "family". Your breeder will take your phone calls and emails when you have questions or concerns. So they don't want to put you in a position of hardship; but help you to have the best relationship with their pup as possible. |
| Fair enough and I understand that she's very very busy, but if someone doesn't even respond to "Are you alive? Is the rescue still running" kind of an email, and even the petfinder listing has been removed, I wouldn't expect that other rescue emails are being answered in a timely fashion.
bizboots wrote: Marie is very busy , aslo running a store, try calling her at 10PM or before 9AM Edy Ron wrote: Seems to me that Dixie OES Rescue doesn't seem to be repsonding to any inquiries, so don't take it personally. The person running the rescue didn't bother to respond to two emails that I have sent to her over the course of a few months. |
| I will call her tonight and see what is happening and let you all know
Edy Ron wrote: Fair enough and I understand that she's very very busy, but if someone doesn't even respond to "Are you alive? Is the rescue still running" kind of an email, and even the petfinder listing has been removed, I wouldn't expect that other rescue emails are being answered in a timely fashion. bizboots wrote: Marie is very busy , aslo running a store, try calling her at 10PM or before 9AM Edy Ron wrote: Seems to me that Dixie OES Rescue doesn't seem to be repsonding to any inquiries, so don't take it personally. The person running the rescue didn't bother to respond to two emails that I have sent to her over the course of a few months. |
i worked with maria last year and i think a lot in her life when down i have not heard from her for a long time right now i do not think anyone is doing rescue in central fla  i am always checking on the local pounds etc.. guess it is a good thing they have not called me |
suzptcruise wrote: i worked with maria last year and i think a lot in her life when down i have not heard from her for a long time right now i do not think anyone is doing rescue in central fla
i am always checking on the local pounds etc.. guess it is a good thing they have not called meThere is also Candy in the Orlando area, have no phone number though and than the one in Miami Edy |
| i also emailed a rescue in the panhandle area of florida. have not heard back. |
| candy is in miami not orlando |
oesmom2 wrote: i also emailed a rescue in the panhandle area of florida. have not heard back.
Are you in Florida? I work with some rescue folks in Atlanta, Georgia, and I know we are full of sheepies in need of loving homes right now. If its not too far for you to travel, I can put you in touch with someone. PM me and let me know. ~Allison |
oesmom2 wrote: i also emailed a rescue in the panhandle area of florida. have not heard back.
I'm glad you joined. My point is not about whether Marie is busy or not, the whole point was that you shouldn't take it personally that some rescues haven't gotten back in touch. Most aren't professional businesses, most are completely unstaffed volunteer organizations (and I use that term loosely for some) that are trying to do the best they can to place dogs when they find ones that need help. 
So keep trying, and if you're willing to be patient and perhaps travel a bit I'm sure you'll find the sheepie of your life.  |
| I too will not sell 2 puppies to a home, nor one to a home that already has one other one.
I'ved just spent the last 2 years with these 2 i kept and i will also not ever do it again! I love them both but it is WORK...... I don't have any temperment issues in this house anymore (thankfully will never have any from that other line ever again.) and I'm sorry for you that had 2 pups and did have issues with the 2 pups, but that is a good example! |
| The other pup I had - well had for one week - had health issues. there were no behavioural problems. The male was 15 weeks when he came to live with us. They actually enjoyed each other. |
| I have 2 at 10 months apart. We have done very well. But Sammie our female is for sure the alpha, Blue on the other hand very mellow dog and was very easy to train. (With Sammie help and a doggy door)And working through my home helped alot. They got along great the first day and I have to say these two are not high energy dogs but I do not know if that is because they have a dog door and have the freedom to play outside and we walk only once in the evenings some times only 1/2 hour other times longer. But I also known off someone who had littermates 2 females and alpha issues was a major problem the owner finally found a new home for one, but when he is out for walks he can not go by that house because the 2 will rush at each other to fight fence or no fence. So I quess you never know. |
| I never had alpha issues keeping either 2 bitches, 2 dogs or one of each
It is just crazy to keep 2, when you try to catch one the other does something and it is difficult to teach them things as they gang up together agains you and are totally wild, sigh Edy ej wrote: I have 2 at 10 months apart. We have done very well. But Sammie our female is for sure the alpha, Blue on the other hand very mellow dog and was very easy to train. (With Sammie help and a doggy door)And working through my home helped alot. They got along great the first day and I have to say these two are not high energy dogs but I do not know if that is because they have a dog door and have the freedom to play outside and we walk only once in the evenings some times only 1/2 hour other times longer. But I also known off someone who had littermates 2 females and alpha issues was a major problem the owner finally found a new home for one, but when he is out for walks he can not go by that house because the 2 will rush at each other to fight fence or no fence. So I quess you never know. |
| Oesmom2,
Welcome to the forum, I hope you don't think this is a "baptism by fire". Our "family" here is genuinely trying to help and have offered you several lines of thought and lessons learned from experience. I hope it helps you in your final decision. One aspect that has not however been mentioned is the potential difficulties of having 2 very near-aged dogs at the other end of their lives. For the purposes of this discussion I'll say near-aged is within 2 years of each other although some will say 3 years meets this condition. For the most part Bobtails live to be a little over 11 years of age. Yes some leave us earlier and there are fortunately some who grace our lives for much longer. In my opinion once they reach 10 you are on "bonus time" and at the age of 11, 12 at the very latest, you have them on "borrowed time". Having 2 of a very near-age puts you in the position where you have a much higher probability of suffering each of their losses within 2 years of each other. And no matter how well bred the dogs are you are also risk having to face geriatric illnesses in both simultaneously with the attendant time, effort, emotional and financial implications of that. You might want to seriously consider waiting for a couple of years before getting your second Bobtail. (I know this is a very hard thing to do because in fact Bobtails are like potato chips, you can't stop at just one!) And before I get called a hypocrite and in the interests of full disclosure, yes we have two Bobtails within 4 months age of each other. When we got married neither Michele nor I had any dogs in spite of our long standing history of being dog lovers as well as generally having had more than one at a time. So from a starting point of zero dogs Michele and I got both our big boys, Martin Zephram and Virgil Tiberius on the precept that dogs do better with another of their own than does an "only". They do but yes it was hard work raising the two simultaneously even with Michele being a stay-at-home mom to both 4-footed and 2-footed kids. We explicitly accepted all the challenges that have been discussed above (maybe even a few more that haven't been mentioned) and we implicitly accepted the risk of loosing both close to each other. Now as Martin has passed his 7th birthday and Virgil is approaching his 7th, probably the greatest of my life's dreads and my only potential regret of getting both so close in age is that we could loose both of them within a year of each other. Given our circumstances at the time of starting our kennel and life together I wouldn't change a thing, but now with the kennel more or less established there is no requirement to end up with 2 near-aged puppies again. Maybe we will be fortunate and have a litter with 2 "absolute keepers" and we'll go through it again but at that point it will be a golden opportunity, not a plan. Just another thought for you to consider. If you are willing and capable of accepting the work and challenges two near-aged puppies will present and if you understand and accept the later life risks then I support your decision to get 2 close to each other and all of us here are willing to help the best we can. But the lesson of many with that experience here is that it will not be easy for the first 12-18 months. Thanks and Cheers Carl |
Carl Lindon wrote: Oesmom2,
One aspect that has not however been mentioned is the potential difficulties of having 2 very near-aged dogs at the other end of their lives. For the purposes of this discussion I'll say near-aged is within 2 years of each other although some will say 3 years meets this condition. For the most part Bobtails live to be a little over 11 years of age. Yes some leave us earlier and there are fortunately some who grace our lives for much longer. In my opinion once they reach 10 you are on "bonus time" and at the age of 11, 12 at the very latest, you have them on "borrowed time". How true this is, my latest heart ache was loosing 3 within a year and a half: My heart dog lost the battle with lymphoma, bearly 3 years old, than I had to let go of a 15 year old and a few months later a 14 and a ha;f year old. NOT easy , no matter how old they are they have been a good part of your life, Thanks Carl for mentioning this Edy , still in tears |
| i feel all your pain i lost my sweet dolly last year and my daytona is at the bridge as we speak it is very hard all us , again i also have 2 close together 7 months and 15 months i am glad i waited at least 6 months in between you really need to devote one at a time when training a oes we can all agree on that!! |
| Thank you to all! The information is very useful. My girl is just past four months now and is fully housebroken, knows many commands and well she is just a joy. We have an acre fenced so we get plenty of exercise in addition to our walks. She is graduating from puppy kindergarten and beginning obedience this week. We feel we are at the point of being ready for another oes pup. Rescues were considered but none at this time work for this home.
It is so good of all of you to share your experiences with us. Wow the fact that they would both approach their senior years together is a big issue to consider. Thanks again for all your input |
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