I am looking for a new puppy
Thanks Chris |
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| I would suggest checking through show results for the last couple of years, and then contact well known, reputable breeders who have been successful. You can check ofa records, and talk to people who have bought pups from whatever breeder. I would ask to see pedigrees and other health testing results from any breeder you consider. If you want a show dog, and want to be successful, almost every single dog in the pedigree should have at least one title.
For a quality show puppy you may be on a waiting list for years, I was on a list for 2 years for Dancer. I wish you the best of luck! I'm excited to hear how things go for you  |
| It may be helpful for you to go to some dog shows in your area and meet breeders / exhibitors to see their dogs and get to know them. Maybe Roger's Breeder could point you in the right direction as well.
Good Luck! Kristen |
| If you care to e-mail me privately I would be happy to refer you to several very good breeders that I personally know. |
| Hi,
I remember reading that Australian Shepards whom had blue eyes and were bred together had a tendency to have many deaf offspring - I just wondered if it may occur with OES as well. I'm not an expert in genetics so perhaps keep this in mind when you meet a breeder. Good Luck with your find! Marianne and the boys |
| Yes Marianne! You need to carefully select the sire / dam and consider their coloring in OES as well. |
| Chris,
You are more than welcome to contact myself, I am the OESCA Breeder Referral. My e-mail is: oescrazy2@yahoo.com Regards, Tarja Peters |
| I will, Jo had sent me a couple of contacts a few weeks ago.
Thanks Chris |
| Roger's Dad,
Was Roger's mother OFA'd?? I think Roger's breeder is the one I spoke to that is having a litter after Roger's, but this dam (not Roger's mother) has not been OFA'd. Just wandering how things have worked out for you because I'm hearing from members to make sure BOTH sire and dam are OFA'd. |
| Thankfully Rogers Mother Madame Katie Scarlett O'Hara was ofa cert excellent and her side of the line is all good or excellent with one fair way back. The sire was not registered with the OFA but was x rayed and given a good to excellent rating by the vet according to the Katies mom (I never saw the vet report and I did not call the Vet) I know more now than then. Rogers breeder was Barbara Comus in Huntsville Alabama, she had very good intentions but not enough experience or knowledge, I have recently tried to get in touch with her to discuss the sire's rating but so far can't reach her by phone ( I have only tried 5 or 6 time though). When I do I will get the vet report if it really exists. I intend to contact the sires owner at that point and encourage them to register. However on the sires side there are no champions in 5 generations so his back ground is questionable. In Katies background there are 3 champions in 5 generations.
I think for those that don't want to show it would be great to have a judges panel 5 or 6 judges regionally to go over breeding stock to varify their conformation. They could write an opinion or rate the dog or something. This would be great just before breeding and along with the OFA, eye and thyroid cert etc. Then those folks that don't have the $1000 to $2500 plus in show entry fees and travel expenses not to mention the time but have a sincere interest in breeding for different qualities and breeding healthy dogs would be able to establish a degree of respect and would be a harbor of safety for those that can't or don't want to pay $1,500 to $2,000 and up for a good pup, which is what they cost, if someone will sell one to you. Virtually all breeders understandably only want a top quality pup to go to a show family with a proven track record. Which leaves many, many, I would say most people left to buy from less documented sources so buyer be ware. But it is our fault for not creating a safe source of healthy puppies that adhere to the standard for non-show folk. Are there judges out there that will volunteer. I am writing this as I think it up, so what are the flaws and downside to this concept. Lets create a system for non show breeders and what about all those show dogs that took second or third and are not champions, they are still top quality dogs. After all a dog can be an AKC champion and die the next day from thyroid disorder, be deaf, and riddled with hip dysphasia those are not as I understand requirements from the AKC. Let’s set some real health rules that go along with the beauty pageants. In closing I have to say that I do like and respect the AKC but there are better practices. In other countries the registered dogs have to meet health requirements before being bred. I realize this is a bit of a rant but I do passionately want a healthy population of OES out there |
| B the way Roger seems to be very healthy. I am going to have his hips certified in July and will have his eyes certified April 23rd. |
| I have to agree with you Chris- I think it would be absolutely wonderful to have a health component as part of the confirmation showing. Now obviously, a dog has to be sound of body in order to become a champion- Anything obvious physically is going to be found by a judge during their examination. The "sneaky" health issues however may not be readily apparent- everything from allergies to heart issues may still be present, even if the judge awards top honors. I'd be all for AKC requiring clean bills of health in their competetitors- but then I'm not showing in conformation either! I guess we will have to continue to rely on the wonderful, dedicated breeders that are out there to preserve our chosen breeds health- and hope that education and encouragement will help those that are considering breeding to make the right choices!
Karen |
| I know, I was just complaining a little. The obvious would be spotted. I am just frustrated and learning quite allot as I search for a puppy in a not so perfect system / world. And as I learn I like to share. What a great place to do so. The big problem is not health, you can find breeders of non show dogs with good health prediction and monitoring practices. They are hard to find. But do the pups comply with the breed standard. That is the great unknown. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have it confirmed that the non-show families dogs meet the standard in the judges eyes and the dogs are rated a, a+, b or 1 -10 or something by a combined opinion from a group of experts. That way you get a dog that has straight legs and the right size head and muzzle, a pear shaped profile from the rear with out the hocks being to close together and the feet pointing out, etc. I am taking Roger to a well known and respected Judge in my area for that very reason, I also don't want to waste a bunch of money and time in the ring for no reason.
I do wish the AKC would impose a health standard like Germany and Finland. I think it was those 2 countries, its been a couple of weeks since I read the articles about the subject. They have reduced the number of problems in purebred dogs significantly. |
| Roger's Dad,
OOOps! I made a mistake not "Roger's Dad", it was "Ranger's Dad" who purchased from a breeder I had interviewed. Both your Roger and this Ranger have those blue eyes--my apologies! Anywho, I am glad my mistaken inquiry regarding the certification sparked a great and well-thought out response. I too am in your shoes. Trying to find a healthy, happy, well-adjusted pet OES. I have never shown, so it is unlikely that I would "qualify" as a home for a health-cleared show dog. I did go back to that breeder and she is going to have the dame (sire is only one OFA'd currently) OFA'd after some period of time passes after the dam finishes weaning the pups. Soooo, it is sounding more reliable than I initially thought. The breeder mentioned that she gives a 1 yr. health guarantee, but since I couldn't OFA my pup until she's 2 yrs (is that right??), that won't solve the issue. However, she is willing to provide me with the dam's OFA paperwork once it is finally done. Hmmmm. Good Luck! |
| All excellent ideas. I think that several tests should be required, not just advised. I do believe in the show system though. That is what is it for, if a dog is shown and championed chances are it meets the standard physically and mentally. Show entry fees are not that much really, and if you campaign a dog mostly locally throughout a couple of seasons, you are only paying entry fees, not so much for travel other than gas. It is a fun outing anyway. For example, an upcoming show is an hour away, so maybe ten or fifteen dollars of gas in the car, and a twenty six dollar entry fee. That fee is for a day of fun for you and your dog, and most importantly, it is payment for a judges opinion. Obviously it does take more than one show to get a title on the dog, but as you go to each show, you are seeing your dogs reaction and behavior in many situations, so important to consider before even thinking of breeding. It is worth every penny to know you are breeding a dog who is tested and true, conforms to and hopefully exceeds expectations of the standard, is able to contribute genetically something positive to the breed, and has mentally proven itself to be sound and proper temperment, since a dog would not win if it's temperment wasn't sound.
Even just going to a show is an invaluable experience, that is how you learn what your goals will be in your breeding programme. How can you breed to meet and exceed the standard, and better the breed, if you have not seen with your own eyes, felt with your own hands, what experienced breeders have produced, what you should be aiming for? |
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