stained face

When an OES has a brown stained face around the mouth is it from drool or from drinking water? I understand the yeast in the saliva stains the fur, but I did not know if drinking water mixed with their saliva and stained the fur or they simply drooled a lot. If it is from drinking water has anyone ever tried using a dog water bottle and if so did that work? I know a breeder of Coton De Tulears (looks almost like a mini OES) and she uses a water bottle and all her dogs have beautiful stainfree white faces. Just curious on how to avoid the brown stains, I see some Sheepies with it and some without. Thanks
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It's different from dog to dog because it has more to do with the dogs own natural ph level than anything else. A dirty water bowl, food staining (lots of dyes) and yeast etc on the dogs skin can also affect it.
I have had dogs who have very little staining and dogs who are perpetually brown mouthed, every dog is different.
A whitening shampoo with a bluing agent works well to whiten them up, and I've heard additives to their water can change the ph level of the dog and reduce staining but I've never tried that and don't know what additives are recommended.
I don't think there is a concensus on what causes it. I've heard coloring in dog food, iron in the dog's sytem, bacteria & red yeast growth as the result of warm moist conditions (and probably some good protein from the food.)

Another thought is porphyrin in the dog's system thus the saliva and where moisture collects (mouth, eyes, and between the toes).

Yes, also some people swear by distilled water only, others say just purified water to eliminate the iron. Distilled would be the only sure way to eliminate iron, but years ago a surgeon warned me about drinking distilled water. He wasn't specific but I got the gist has as to do with the ions and how they attach to the stomach wall.

Another thought, back to the porphyrins, is to add zinc and Vit. C to the dog's diet as those are destroyed in heat process. No more than 10 mg. zinc and 100 mg. Vit. C.

In addition to various cleaning methods, you might want to try giving the dog distilled water and the vitamin supplements as well as trying to keep the beard clean and dry........... :roll:
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