DNA testing

Silly question really, but in my browsing last week I came across a 'breeder' who said that the sire is DNA certified. In reading a little about DNA certification, it seems that in order for DNA cert to even be relevant to the offspring, both parents would have to be DNA certified. Why would someone only cert the male and not their bitches? ? What purpose does it serve?

Thanks all!
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No, not silly at all.

I'm not 100% sure what you're referencing but it sounds like the AKC DNA certification requirement. Correct me if you were told differently?

I don't know the details off the top of my head but these days any male who is used (bred) more than X number of times is required to submit a DNA sample (to...?), in turn the AKC issues a DNA number. This can be used if paternity is ever called into issue :wink: There's no point in keeping family records (pedigree information ) if you don't have some safeguards to make sure it's accurate. I think it may have stemmed from issues with record keeping for some high volume breeders, but the number of times used is fairly low, so it will affect males who don't necessarily spread their genetic contribution all that far and wide as well.

If it's REALLY important to you, I'll dig up the details - or maybe someone knows the exact details off the top of their head.

Why don't we require the same of bitches? Good question. Maybe some day we will. Bitches are a little bit simpler since you're pretty darn sure who the dam is :wink: If someone ever calls that into question, you can take a DNA sample at that point, but at a guess that's less of an issue.

It may also be tied into the fact that you can now do split litters (intentionally breed to two different males and may the genetic chips fall where they may - rarely done, but permissable). In such a case the entire litter must be DNA'd to establish paternity before they can be registered.

WI rescue actually sent in a DNA sample, not to the AKC (though that might have been our next step), but to have it checked for breed on a rescue we got in whom came with AKC papers but whom we were convinced was a poodle mix. DNA test came back OES. Could have knocked us over with the proverbial feather :lol: :lol: :lol:


DNA certification related to the AKC is neither a positive or a negative in terms of breeding or breeders, just another safeguard.

Does that make sense?

Kristine
ohhhhhhhhkay. Yes, it makes much more sense now! Thank you! For some reason I was thinking of it in a completely different light, like they were saying it somehow related to health vs simply parentage. Thinking of it as it relates to parentage, that makes it way more clear. I couldn't figure out how in the world it could be useful as a health cert. Dur me!

Thanks Kristine!
Not to cast a shadow on whomever you were looking at, but some breeders may try to couch it in such a way to imply it has something to do with health.
Mad Dog wrote:
I don't know the details off the top of my head but these days any male who is used (bred) more than X number of times is required to submit a DNA sample (to...?), in turn the AKC issues a DNA number.


The AKC requires all sires producing 7 or more litters a year to register a DNA sample. The AKC sells swab kits and you send it directly to them.
kerry wrote:
Not to cast a shadow on whomever you were looking at, but some breeders may try to couch it in such a way to imply it has something to do with health.

oh no worries. it was actually a mention, and i hadn't heard of it so looked it up and just read an article, and for some reason (let's just pretend it was early morning brain-deadness and i'm not always that dumb) I read it in the wrong context, which is why I was so confused. :) Good to know that some people try to make it seem that way, though. Heh.

Verve, thanks also for that. Good to know.

There is so much to take in, in regards to breeding. I am such a noob! :)
VerveUp wrote:
Mad Dog wrote:
I don't know the details off the top of my head but these days any male who is used (bred) more than X number of times is required to submit a DNA sample (to...?), in turn the AKC issues a DNA number.


The AKC requires all sires producing 7 or more litters a year to register a DNA sample. The AKC sells swab kits and you send it directly to them.


Actually, it's 7 or more litters in his lifetime, or three or more in a calendar year.

Any dog collected for frozen or fresh extended use (even once) needs to have his DNA profile registered as well if I understand the regs correctly. That would make sense.

Curiousity got the better of me so I had to verify. :wink:

Kristine
notisolde wrote:
There is so much to take in, in regards to breeding. I am such a noob! :)


At least you're a noob with the good sense to ask questions. People who do that rarely stay "noobs" for very long. :wink:

Kristine
Mad Dog wrote:
VerveUp wrote:
Mad Dog wrote:
I don't know the details off the top of my head but these days any male who is used (bred) more than X number of times is required to submit a DNA sample (to...?), in turn the AKC issues a DNA number.


The AKC requires all sires producing 7 or more litters a year to register a DNA sample. The AKC sells swab kits and you send it directly to them.


Actually, it's 7 or more litters in his lifetime, or three or more in a calendar year.

Any dog collected for frozen or fresh extended use (even once) needs to have his DNA profile registered as well if I understand the regs correctly. That would make sense.

Curiousity got the better of me so I had to verify. :wink:

Kristine


anyone surprised :twisted:
kerry wrote:
Mad Dog wrote:
VerveUp wrote:
Mad Dog wrote:
I don't know the details off the top of my head but these days any male who is used (bred) more than X number of times is required to submit a DNA sample (to...?), in turn the AKC issues a DNA number.


The AKC requires all sires producing 7 or more litters a year to register a DNA sample. The AKC sells swab kits and you send it directly to them.


Actually, it's 7 or more litters in his lifetime, or three or more in a calendar year.

Any dog collected for frozen or fresh extended use (even once) needs to have his DNA profile registered as well if I understand the regs correctly. That would make sense.

Curiousity got the better of me so I had to verify. :wink:

Kristine


anyone surprised :twisted:


nada :lol:
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