Please Pray for Pogo-My dog has nose bleeds
I took him in this am and they did a CT (results not back) They did find a mass when they sent the tube up his nose. I don't know how big it is yet. I had to leave him there tonight. Please have positive thoughts for him. I'm not ready for the rainbow bridge yet. I just had to put my Huskie down in Oct. |
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All twenty paws crossed here for good luck  |
| I hope you get good results back from the CT and any pathologies they do.
best wishes |
got sheep wrote: I hope you get good results back from the CT and any pathologies they do.
best wishes Oh my my prrayers are with you. Hope you get good news. |
| We are all pulling for you & Pogo back here. |
| My very best and I'm not very far if you need anything, don't hesitate to call on me. |
Wishing you and Pogo nothing but good results  |
| Special thoughts for a good outcome for Pogo! |
| Thinking of you, hope you get good news |
| Ohhh this is horrible news. Please give Pogo an extra rub for me. Behind his right ear, please. |
Oooh so upset for you and Pogo positive thoughts flying over to you all and keeping fingers crossed it is just something like an infection or something he snuffed up the nostril like a grass seed or something like that. 
Sending a cuddle for you too, the worst part is the wait for a pathology report, keep positive, pogo needs that from you to be strong and brave, and super hugs for pogo, we are all here for you both |
Thinking of you and Pogo...only the best results.  |
| I am hoping for good news. |
| I'm thinking of you... |
| The waiting is the hard part. |
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| Crossing all paws here for you and Pogo.
Did they say about when you will get the resuls? Is Pogo acting normal,eating,stool and such? Hang in there. Robin |
| I'm sending good vibes your way. Please let us know what happens. |
| I hope it all works out ok..... |
| Thinking of you both... Poor baby... |
I just got back from picking Pogo up and was extremely surprised how good he looks. In fact, if you didn't know that he had surgery yesterday, you couldn't tell by his appearance or actions. 
He is the same happy dog. The Surgeon said that he was able to remove most of the growth which was 2 1/4 x 1 1/4" just inside the right nostril. (neither I or my regular vet could see it and we both looked with lights). I won't get the Pathology report until Monday, but Dr. Tanger said that we should be able to deal with it even if it is malignant. I wanted to post something on oes.org so that others who have these same symptoms can have a reference point to go on. I had searched oes.org when Pogo started having the nose bleeds 5 weeks ago but he only had a couple in a few days and then they quit. I learned if your dog gets nose bleeds from one nostril it is probably a blockage in that nostril, if it is both nostrils it is more likely to be disease. PLEASE take your dog in immediately. I don't know how fast the tumor grew, but perhaps if I had taken him in 5 weeks ago, it may have been smaller and easier to manage. Thanks for the thoughts and support everyone! I'll let you know what I find out on Monday. |
| Kim, I'm sending you and Pogo all my best wishes. Hope he does real well and others can learn from this. I lost one from mouth cancer and as I look back I should have caught it sooner. |
| I am happy to hear that Pogo came out of his surgery fine, happy and bouncy. Cross fingers and paws for results on Monday. Try to enjoy your weekend. |
| fingers and paws crossed here and a big hug for you while you wait for news..... |
| It's Cancer. |
| Oh Kim my heart is aching for you and Pogo.
I am deeply sorry. I know this news hurts so bad. I am crying right now for you and Pogo. Please lean on everyone here. We are here for you and Pogo. Pogo knows you love him and he definitely loves his mommy. Robin |
Kim wrote: It's Cancer.
I'm sorry - is it treatable? |
| I am so sorry
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Kim wrote: It's Cancer.
I'm so sorry.
Kristine |
| So what's the next step? |
| The dreaded "C" word I am so sorry to hear and we are all thinking of you and Pogo.
Sit down with the vet and have a good talk with them on what is the next step, take in a note book and write down all the different options a vet tells you. I say take in a note book because the initial shock and upset of hearing the results things go in one ear and out the other and dont register. Talk to the vet about what are my options with pogo, is it treatable, if we have any sort of treatment will that prolong a good quality of life , if no treatment what is the prognosis and things also like how fast will it spread etc. Even ask do you think we got it all when the growth was removed, the pathology report should give you an idea there and the vet should explain that to you in detail. Try to ask as many questions on this as you can, I know it is hard but gather all info on options to make a good informative choice on quality of life vs quantity. I know how you are feeling, been there with the dreaded "C" in our furry babies enormous shock and upset that is surging through you at the moment, keep the faith going, be strong for your baby and know we are all here for you and pogo. |
| So, so sorry to hear your news.
Ditto Lisa, and note taking and/or taking a support person is so important its hard to take in all the info when you're so upset. |
Lisaoes is so right. The shock is pretty bad. Having been through it I know it's a difficult time for all of you. Know our thoughts are with you. It's been just a year since we lost our Clyde and we still remember that bad day.  |
| I'm so sorry that Pogo has this diagnosis. |
| Special thoughts and prayers for you and Pogo. Ditto Lisa's advice--we went through this with one of our kitties. The vets can do amazing things these days. Take notes so you can review later.
Sending well wishes your way for a good outcome to a difficult situation. |
| A BIG to you and Pogo.
I am so sorry to hear that the mass was malignant. I hope you have some options for Pogo. |
| I am so sorry to hear this diagnosis. Listen to what Lisa says. Take notes, come home & go over your options. No need to make any hasty decisions. And then pray alot. Dogs are amazing creatures when it comes to handling pain. |
OMG, I'm SO sorry for the diagnosis. You mentioned the vet said there was a way to handle it even if it was malignant, so take a bit of hope from that. Like Lisa said, take copious notes - it's guaranteed you won't remember everything he says and you need to review all options carefully.
Big hugs to you and Pogo, and know that everyone here is here for your support. |
| I woke early this morning and cuddled with my lovable, soft sheepie that is always there for me. I like it when he licks me as it is so soothing. I found myself crying again...I'm still in shock and angry.
I am in the process of researching and haven't decided what course of action to take yet. I was notified at 3:30 yesterday (Friday) so it didn't give me much time before the weekend when most businesses are closed. I am going to look into consultation with an Oncologist. For those of you wondering, the CT and tumor removal was $850. this week. The surgeon thinks he got most of the tumor but we don't know how fast it will grow back. They said that his right lymph node was inflamed, but without removing it and testing it, we won't know if the cancer has spread. I really don't want his neck cut on. Most of all I want Pogo to have a comfortable quality life, not quantity. I don't want him to go through much pain. This article said that nasal tumors only affect 1% of our dogs and that the median life expectancy is 95 days after diagnosis. http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/oncolo ... umors.html OES' are in the high category of being suspectible to nasal tumors because of their snout shape. http://www.1800blogger.com/2009/04/08/n ... k-factors/ Another reason I am posting this is I like to get feedback not only from my local friends, but from you guys too. Someone may have gone through this already and have some suggestions. I am open to them. Thanks for your support, it means alot to me. I'll keep you posted. |
| Mt thoughts are with you and your beloved pogo I am hoping he can be treated and or kept comfortable This is such a hard and sad time for you Hugs sent your way |
| It's snout shape, perhaps, but quite probably also genetics. There are many long snouted breeds that are not on that list...So quite likely snout shape coupled with our breed's propensity towards less than stellar immune systems.
It is a rare cancer, yet I can think of five OES who've had it off the top of my head, and probably more if I really think about it. Two of them, including Pogo, diagnosed this week, ranging from not even 4 years old to I think 11 or 12. Ironically, two performance people have lost dogs to this cancer this past decade. No, I don't think there's a correlation there  . It's just kind of frightening to know, relatively speaking, so many dogs in your breed who have a cancer with such a low rate of frequency in the general dog population. But of course "knowing of" is not statistically relevant.
Which brings me to the difficult question: if you haven't already, would you please consider filling out OESCA's breed wide health survey? I hate to ask you at a time like this, but the survey closes on May 15th after which it will be years before we conduct another one. Though it's equally important for statistical purposes that all dogs be included, healthy as well, to get a true picture of the breed, recording Pogo's diagnosis could help shape what research efforts the breed club supports down the road. So please forgive me for my crassness but the survey is at http://www.keysurvey.com/survey/211252/2567/ Ideally, for research purposes, DNA would be banked as well. It's a simple blood sample coupled with a short health survey as well as a pedigree if known. This would allow dogs with diagnosed health conditions to participate in research down the road. All of my dogs' blood is banked, just in case. We had a big blood drive last year: http://www.oeshealth.org/HRCUpdates.htm ... BloodDrDNA This is important for all of us by the way. Though this drive is no longer in effect, please feel free to contact any of the people listed as having been part of the last one. It is a fairly simple matter to have a vet collect and submit a sample individually. Again, please forgive me for intruding with these things at this time. Kathy/Donner's mom can probably speak to how hard it is to think about anything beyond your dog at a time like this, but also how important these steps may be for the breed as a whole. Anyway, I know one of the performance people opted to treat her dog, the other did not. I have to verify that I have the former's most recent e-mail address, but will PM you both of their contact information once I've looked it up. Both are very sweet people whom I'm sure would be willing to share their experiences. Hugs to both of you. Kristine |
| I am so sorry for the awful news. Your pictures of Pogo show what a wonderful life he is enjoying. My heart goes out to you. This is beyond sad. |
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| I'm so sorry to hear about Pogo. You are in our thoughts! |
| Kim, when Clyde was diagnosed with his mouth cancer , I had several people who told me their stories, it HELPED ! There was no doubt about what we were facing and what was best for Clyde. He was nine at the time. I cried from anger and sadness too, but I surely took the time to spend all the time we had together. Cherish each day and weigh all the info you can get. I know you'll make the right choices. My vet said 2 weeks and I had 2 months. I kept him on pain meds and soft foods. He was very good until the end. But he let us know it was time. Surgery was too radical for his and no guarantee for a longer life. We chose to let him live his life the way he always did. Loved and happy. |
| I have made an appt. to see the Oncologist. The first available appt. is on May 27th.
The consultation fee is $125. The type of cancer he has is called a "Transitional Solid Nasal Carcinoma". Pogo is currently doing great. He shows no signs of being sick at this time. He is still very energetic, has a great appetite, and continues to bring me his toys to play. We still don't know how fast the tumor will grow back. |
| thanks for the update. I hope it continues to go well. |
kerry wrote: thanks for the update. I hope it continues to go well.
same here and big hug to your Pogo |
| Yay Pogo! |
| Thank you for taking the time to give us an update on Pogo.
Give Pogo all that he needs from you and enjoy his sheepie antics. Will be in our thoughts. Robin |
| So sorry about Pogo's condition - I hope you get a good report from the oncologist. Patch and I send good wishes to you and Pogo. |
| Positive thoughts for Pogo and the appt with the Oncologist.
It wouldn't hurt to take a recorder (digital or tape), because it is hard to reember half of what you will be told. Take a list of questions with you - or you will forget to ask some of the important ones. If you would like some help figuring out exactly what to ask, I will be glad to try to help you. My experience is with human oncology, but some of it transfers to our pets. |
| Yes, please, Mom of three.
I would appreciate your help with the list of questions, especially since you are in oncology. My girlfriend who has two sheepies (including Pogo's brother) will be going with me. |
| Kim glad you have a support person going with you.
Best wishes with it all, ask heaps, take notes then sit down with family and friends and have a good discussion on what do we do next and review all the oncologist has said. Support from family and friends is a blessing when you take this life journey with pogo. You need that at the moment to help make the right choices, with a good support group, because with the original diagnosis so much is lost due to the upset and tears. Best wishes for your darling baby and keeping everything crossed here for you all.
Sending love over and keep us posted to what is dicussed and know we are ALL here for you both. |
| Kim, I am so sorry for the diagnosis . While I know nothing about this type of cancer I had a 6 y/o boy who had synovi sarcoma, a rare soft tissue cancer. After agonizing over what to do since the prognosis was grim(he had at best 3-6 months) we picked what we thought was the best treatment. The result was Beau lived 2 more years, was happy and other than the cancer, healthy. Yes, he did die of the disease but we never gave up and those 2 years were a miracle. Weigh your options and get as many opinions as you can, then go with what your instinct tells you. |
| Sending hugs to you and belly rubs for Pogo , along with positive thoughts.
Marianne |
| You both are in our prayers. |
| Kim, I'm sorry to hear of this diagnosis. It's heart breaking and shocking to hear it. I hope there is a viable treatment plan for him that will give him both a good quality of life and many years to come. Please do keep us posted. |
Marianne wrote: Sending hugs to you and belly rubs for Pogo , along with positive thoughts.
Marianne From Me! too |
| Sending prayers and best wishes for good news on Wed |
| Sending prayers ansd good wishes too |
| Sending special thoughts and prayers your way. Hugs to both YOU and POGO for a good appointment on Wed. |
| So other than the obvious questions, can you think of any others?
1) Longevity with vrs. without treatment and success rates 2) How often does she see this type of cancer and the best way to treat it 3) does a dog suffer from chemo or radiotherapy 4) Cost 5) success rate if we remove the tumor when it grows back each time and how fast is it expected to grow |
| Kim, I sent you a PM, but it doesn't seem to have gone through. So check your email too. |
| Continued here:
OES Dog Nose Bleed-Nasal Tumor-Cancer (On the forum at: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=25441 ) |
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