How pathetically sad . . . (PETA and Biden)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30142851 |
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| It is sad but does not surprise me. |
Poor Lady! |
People should have a choice. I have 4 "rescue "dogs here now but I have bought from breeders Ones that bred champions and had good health backgrounds. That was my choice then. The dogs I have now are my choice. PETA gets on my nerves I thought they were a good group at one time but not anymore. Poor woman. Thay should give as much exposure to the cruel puppy mills  |
| This has just gone too far!!!
there are so many false "statistics" floating around and it has become accepted to think anyone who breeds a dog is evil. Our keeping silent is what lets them indoctrinate unsuspecting people into this way of thinking. We had a situation here this week (actually two situations) - one with a horse breeder whose horses were seriously malnourished according to the papers and one where a woman out in the sticks was raising dogs (yes for sale - the evil witch  ) and found out she needed a breeders license etc. she turned over the 50 some little tiny dogs (chi's poms and dachshunds) to the humane society. The humane society said all the dogs are healthy and well socialized - no medical issues etc.
They are already adopting out the dogs - a turn around of maybe two days? here are their fees: DOGS Puppies 4 months or younger – minimum of $250 Dogs 5 months to 7 years – minimum of $120 Highly adoptable dogs – minimum of $200 Most of these dogs will fall in the minimum of $200 to $250 range. Fine, the shelter makes a tidy profit and can subsidize other harder to place dogs - I get the economics. But could the Director leave this alone? Of course not. On his blog he writes about how they have put another breeder out of business and it will help to end the pet overpopulation problem in New York! What problem? This shelter rarely has more than a dozen dogs at any one time in the shelter, discount the older dogs who's families decide they don't want to deal with them anymore or are having a baby etc,, the infirm dogs who people would rather dump at a shelter than put out of their misery and you have a handful of bully breeds (yes I think this area has an issue with over population of bully breeds -, because the demand is very low for them). In addition, North Shore Animal League - perhaps NY's best known no-kill shelter has IMPORTED over 120,000 dogs from as far away as China to meet the demand for "rescue dogs". Doesn't sound like a pet over population problem to me, unless your plan is no pets. |
| Thats dreadful, the poor woman must be terrified.
What happened o freedom of choice? I appreciate that there are many dogs in shelters through no fault of theirs, and all of them desperately need a home but for some people a rescue dog isn't what they want to own. One person probably made a throw away comment about buying from a breeder and the rest jumped on the band wagon and made it out to be something it wasn't!! If only they gave as much press to issues that REALLY mattered. |
Vicki & George wrote: One person probably made a throw away comment about buying from a breeder and the rest jumped on the band wagon and made it out to be something it wasn't!!
If only they gave as much press to issues that REALLY mattered. Ya think?
But, no, it wasn't a throwaway comment that got the ball rolling. The minute it became known that Biden decided to buy a puppy from a breeder rather than rescue, he was chastised loudly and publicly by the usual suspects, and then the breeder he got the puppy from "mysteriously" had a complaint filed against her. Personally, if nothing else I don't believe that people should be able to file complaints annon. In most other parts of law I believe you are entitled to know who your accuser is and in this case it propbably would have been esepcially enlightening to know. In any event, last I heard Biden declared he'd get a rescue/shelter dog to keep the puppy company in order to get the animal rights groups off his back. Kristine |
| Kennel where Biden bought puppy is cited
HARRISBURG, Pa. - The state Department of Agriculture has issued citations to the owner of the Chester County kennel where Vice President-elect Joe Biden recently bought a puppy. In a kennel inspection report posted online Monday night Linda Brown, owner of Wolf Den kennel, was cited for violating the dog law for failing to provide records for dogs purchased or sold and failing to produce complete rabies vaccination records for her adult dogs. Rabies vaccinations are required for all dogs over three months of age. Dog wardens also found a strong ammonia smell inside the house where a number of dogs are housed, and broken wires and piping in several outdoor kennel areas. As a result they issued warnings for maintenance and sanitation and will conduct a follow up inspection in the near future, the report said. Brown could face fines of up to $500 for each citation. It was the kennel's first negative inspection report in five years. Brown, of Spring City, who also operates as Jolindy's German Shepherds, holds a commercial kennel license that allows her to keep more than 250 dogs. She had 84 dogs on the property when the inspection took place on Dec. 10. Biden bought the six-week-old male German Shepherd puppy from the kennel earlier this month. No show titles. http://vonbraunhaus.tripod.com/ and a commercial breeder: http://www.total-german-shepherd.com/GSDsinthenews.html "owned by Chester KennelsBrown, 63, who advertises as JoLindy's German Shepherds, has been a breeder for 40 years. She was referred to the Bidens by Delaware police-dog trainer Mark Tobin, who will have the task of house training the new pup. "These are family dogs with longevity," said Brown, who imports stud dogs from Germany. Brown, who holds a state commercial kennel license under the name Wolf Den, would not divulge the prices of the puppies. State records show Brown has the largest class size kennel, which allows her to keep more than 250 dogs a year. In July, dog wardens recorded 84 dogs on the property and 192 dogs sold or transferred in 2007." |
| Okay guest, but the judge dismissed all the charges.
Not sure If I could locate all my certificates if someone was claiming I had an ammoinia smell in my house, somewhat subjective and hard to disprove don't you think? Her dogs come from German working lines so would not have "show titles". And she never had any charges before. Beware, once Peta starts to convince/co-opt/rainwash people that owning dogs is wrong, this could be you. But you have done your work for PETA and the AR- next time you might want to log in. |
Guest wrote: No show titles.
http://vonbraunhaus.tripod.com/ Actually, the Vs and VAs are German conformation titles. I didn't go through all of them but a lot of the studs had titles. http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/germantitles.html |
| oh yeah and he picked ut the six week old puppy - didn't take him home duh! |
| Yet another example of how --- utterly stupid? tone deaf? --- supposedly smart politicians can be.
His boss has been going through the whole rescue dog thing. Didn't he think for like 2 seconds? At least it's not the people on the other side of the aisle who are doing this -- it's his own "constituency" -- so at least we know it's not left/right politically motivated. |
Ron wrote: Yet another example of how --- utterly stupid? tone deaf? --- supposedly smart politicians can be.
His boss has been going through the whole rescue dog thing. Didn't he think for like 2 seconds? At least it's not the people on the other side of the aisle who are doing this -- it's his own "constituency" -- so at least we know it's not left/right politically motivated. WHy? If he wanted a puppy from a breeder shouldn't he be able to get one? I think the Obama's have been forced into a corner by AR and rescue people and have no choice unfortunately, but it should be their choice not ours what they do to get a dog. |
kerry wrote: ....... I think the Obama's have been forced into a corner by AR and rescue people and have no choice unfortunately, but it should be their choice not ours what they do to get a dog.
I don't think the Obama's DO anything the Obama's DON'T WANNA TO DO. In the end, it may not come from rescue... BUT, rest assured, his 'fan club' will be more forgiving of him than they were of Biden. mouthypf |
ButtersStotch wrote: Guest wrote: No show titles. http://vonbraunhaus.tripod.com/ Actually, the Vs and VAs are German conformation titles. I didn't go through all of them but a lot of the studs had titles. http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/germantitles.html Unless I am mistaken the V is not a title but means "vorzüglich" which is the same as Excellent, as far as a VA is concerned I have never heard of this abbr. and I have no idea what it means. Normally in Germany a dog who carries a title will become the CH. in front of its name. |
kerry wrote: WHy? If he wanted a puppy from a breeder shouldn't he be able to get one? Yes! Normal people should be able to do as they please, but this guy is in politics at the highest level and he needs to do the politically correct thing, lest the country be distracted from important things. |
| Why is this not the "Politically Correct" thing? Are we saying that people are only allowed to get a dog from rescue and that if they get a dog from a breeder, even if they educate the public about what a good breeder is and how a well bred and responsibly bred! dog comes about; that's not "Politically Correct"? Isn't "Politically Correct" what people make it? If people who had the best interest of well bred pure bred dogs on their agenda had bigger mouths and louder voices than the jackasses at PETA then that would be what was "Politically Correct". It is so much easier to just follow trends like sheep than it is to actually work to educate people and fight for what is right.
There's talk that the Bidens will get a shelter dog as the puppy's playmate just to appease the uproar. Why not just do whatever the loudest jackasses want. That's brilliant. |
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I like the Obama solution. None of the politically corrects can argue wiotha gift from dying Ted Kennedy. Brillant solution! Now they need to educate the people on how Kennedy has choosen his breeder etc (hope he did it properly) |
| Well said... We have a long history of being able to choose. American troops are dying to give us that right. To me it is a no brainer I hate politics. We shood be able to choose |
| I'm just saying that the politician-in-chief needs to be politically correct, unless he wants to expend political capital on an issue that is not important to his agenda.
Being politically correct for the senior executives of this country means not causing a distraction. If that means getting a rescue dog then you get a rescue dog. Getting a dog from a shelter won't change the discussion, but getting one from a breeder only gives certain groups another thing to talk about. Unless he feels strongly enough about the issue to stand up and discuss his choice and take on the issue of responsible breeding. Which he doesn't. |
Ron wrote: Which he doesn't. Well we'll see since they are getting a 6 month old puppy aybe has will - or he'll do what he often does and say - next subject  hey it works for him  |
| Well, I was talking about the Vice President's doggie... |
| I have to wonder if the "gift" from Kennedy and the mention that the dog had been "returned" were simply to deflect attention from the fact that it wasn't a recue dog. Or maybe a story just to protect the breeder. |
Mom of 3 wrote: I have to wonder if the "gift" from Kennedy and the mention that the dog had been "returned" were simply to deflect attention from the fact that it wasn't a recue dog. Was talking about that with Joan tonight. He's been talking about that breed for a couple of months now, so IMHO this was planned for quite a while. The puppy had a chance to be "vetted" and evaluated and trained a bit, then was "returned". That's my guess, and yes, that's exactly why, as a cover story to deflect rescue criticism.
He got some amount of flack when he suggested it might not be a rescue as he had promised.... but I guess we're all getting used to broken campaign promises, some minor like this, and some not so minor. |
Ron wrote: Well, I was talking about the Vice President's doggie...
Oh sorry - I thought you said politician in chief |
| I think with the finance crisis and the problems we have at the moment Pres. Obama and Vice Pres. Biden have enough on their plates at the moment without thinking about animal rights groups and the like. To protest that he got a dog from a breeder instead of from a shelter is in my opinion perverse, it is time these organisations looked into where the majority of these dogs come from and how they were bred. In Germany they import strays from all over the world, Spain, Eastern Europe, Egypt etc. sometomes I get the impression we have no strays let alone breeders in Germany instead we have to import from other countries not knowing their background. Unfortunately it is going too far and no politician has the spine to stand up to these people, look at Crufts and the BBC, after sending that program and refusing to show Crufts no other broadcast company took over probably afraid of the backlash. I wonder when they will come up with idea dogs should have the right to vote, but only the ones that come from shelters not pedigree dogs of coarse, we are living in a crazy world. |
| The dilemma experienced dog people pointed to right away is that the chances of finding an appropriate PWD in rescue were slim. If they were willing to wait long enough, one could probably be found. But this is not a popular breed, so not one where it rains rescues and you may have a better chance of finding the right dog for a busy, novice dog family where the dog would more likely than not spend a lot of time in the limelight, so needs a very stable temperament.
Breeders do get dogs back to rehome, so that part is probably true. I did. I just opted to keep him. This way they got the dog they needed, given the limitations of the one daughter's allergies and their family's situation, and not the dog politics demanded. Good for them and hopefully good for the dog. Dogs should fit the family they are intended for, not be a political statement. I read somewhere they're donating money to a local shelter. Again, the cynical would say to deflect criticism. A decent enough solution to what had become a political hot potato. The girls get a dog they can hopefully enjoy and a shelter got some financial assistance and we all move on and accept that there are a variety of choices of dogs and you have to go with what works for your situation.
We sometimes get applicants for rescue dogs whose requirements scream "get a dog from a decent breeder" and then when they've trained you how to live with this breed and the dog has trained you how to train dogs, come back to us and we'll find you the right rescue. You can't generally say that, so instead you put them on a waiting list and encourage them to scour other rescues in hopes that a sufficiently easy dog will come along for them, or strongly encourage them to accept an older dog who is more likely to be easier to live with. That would have been another way to go, but chances are the girls had their heart's set on a puppy/young dog. We encounter that mindset too, and I can definitely understand when people prefer youngsters. It's just that most of the younger ones we get in were given up for behavioral reasons to begin with. Fine in a quiet, experienced home; not appropriate for everyone. Once upon a time most people understood that adopting a rescue dog meant accepting some surprises and often taking pleasure in the process of turning a dog who was deemed difficult into a lovely family member. One of the downsides to the campaign "adopt, don't buy!" is that more and more people seem to expect that one is perfectly interchangable with the other. Maybe it's time to insert a little bit of a reality check back into the rescue equation to continue to attract appropriate homes for these, yes, very deserving dogs. Kristine |
| We all get our dogs one way or another, rescue or breeder. BO hardly got his dog via rescue - TK gave him a puppy. Buy why lie about the dog being a rescue. What a joke. I agree with Ron. |
Sheepie2 wrote: We all get our dogs one way or another, rescue or breeder. BO hardly got his dog via rescue - TK gave him a puppy. Buy why lie about the dog being a rescue. What a joke. I agree with Ron.
No one said the dog is a rescue. To the contrary, they said he came from a breeder and that he was a gift from Ted Kennedy who is familar with this particular breeder's dogs. Kristine |
| And this morning on the news the social secretary very nicely and politely said the dog would not be making an appearance at the easter egg hunt BECAUSE it may be too much excitement for a young puppy. Hurray for them. already they are leaps and bounds ahead of many pet owners who never think of the dogs needs and only that the dog is an accessory to them.
Again Kudos for both the Bidens and the Obamas for getting the dogs that fit their needs! |
| Honestly, don't people have more to worry about? Obama's comment about looking for a 'mutt' was a campaign promise? You have got to be kidding.
I believe that everybody should be allowed to choose the pets that truly suit their lives the best. While their hearts might have wanted to go rescue (as my heart did), their family situation dictated otherwise (as mine did): they chose a dog which would be less likely to cause health issues in their own child, a wise decision. And the puppy was a gift from a friend who is experienced in the breed. We should all be so fortunate. |
kerry wrote: Ron wrote: Well, I was talking about the Vice President's doggie... Oh sorry - I thought you said politician in chief |
guest wrote: I believe that everybody should be allowed to choose the pets that truly suit their lives the best. While their hearts might have wanted to go rescue (as my heart did), their family situation dictated otherwise (as mine did): they chose a dog which would be less likely to cause health issues in their own child, a wise decision. And the puppy was a gift from a friend who is experienced in the breed. We should all be so fortunate.
PWD are very high energy dogs - difficult for even experienced owners. TK and wife are PWD lovers, so their are very biased, not so objective. It would be like me telling that everyone should have a Golden Retriever or Sheepie - they aren't the right dog for everyone, though I find it hard to believe.  . This is a family with a set of parents who never had a pet (of any sort), so new to the dog/puppy world. Not to mention that this is a very busy family. Fortunately they will have lots of help available. I hope it works out for Bo.
And it turns out the breeder lives an hour from me. |
guest wrote: Honestly, don't people have more to worry about? Obama's comment about looking for a 'mutt' was a campaign promise? You have got to be kidding. Yah, it was part of the package of the man looking for my vote. When the guy is parading his family around doing political interviews saying things like "I've promised my kids a puppy when all of this is over" and "probably one from the shelter", if I recall, I think it counts.
If he had said : "I plan on getting a Pit Bull from Michael Vick's breeder" or "I will be getting a champion Sheepdog from the UK where docking isn't allowed" it might have affected some people's votes, so yes, I think it was indeed a campaign promise. Not on the level of "Pulling all of the troops out of Iraq immediately", then "Pulling the troops out of Iraq within 12 months" then "Pulling the troops out of Iraq in 16 months" now "Leaving 50,000 troops indefinitely, according to the Bush doctrine of listening to the General's on the ground", but I still think it counts. Democrats were chanting "When Clinton Lied, Nobody Died". I wonder what they will be chanting about out newest Commander in Chief's biggest fib? |
| I wonder how many people think they will get one kind of dog---and then end up with something completely different? I really always intended to get a shelter dog, and always said exactly that. But I'm not the only person in my family and other family members' needs (not just wants--actually needs) had to be considered. We spent a LOT of time researching breeds before we chose an OES.
I think that if the Obama's change in plans re: choice of dog is the biggest 'fib' that is told in his presidency, we're all very fortunate. |
| All very true. |
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