12 week old english sheep puppy
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| Melinda, I'm sorry you're facing health problems that would prevent you from keeping you pup, but we really don't sell pups from this forum. Since you just got him 2 weeks ago, your best bet would be to give him back to the breeder. Did you sign a contract that stated he was to be returned to the breeder and that you could not privately sell him if you could not keep him? Most reputable breeders would insist on that.
Again, I'm so sorry for what you're facing. I hope you can come up with the best solution for both you and the pup. |
Drezzie's Mom wrote: Melinda, I'm sorry you're facing health problems that would prevent you from keeping you pup, but we really don't sell pups from this forum. Since you just got him 2 weeks ago, your best bet would be to give him back to the breeder. Did you sign a contract that stated he was to be returned to the breeder and that you could not privately sell him if you could not keep him? Most reputable breeders would insist on that.
Again, I'm so sorry for what you're facing. I hope you can come up with the best solution for both you and the pup. thank you and im sorry no breeder did not give us contract and has told us does not have money anymore..spent it. i know nice.. my husband new how much i wanted him so he got him as surprise without knowing my blood work would come back positive for cancer. we are devistated on both ends. boy did we learn a lession on breeders. |
| I am in touch with her trying to help.
I will let you know how it turns out. |
| If you are willing to give to a good home I will take him I have two other sheepies plus a lab and shepherd They all get along and I would give your puppy a good home I can give references if need be
Cindy |
cindy - what did you do with hubby?  |
4dognight wrote: If you are willing to give to a good home I will take him I have two other sheepies plus a lab and shepherd They all get along and I would give your puppy a good home I can give references if need be
Cindy I'd PROVIDE a reference if need be, though I'm sure her vet and the many people she works with in rescue and so on and so forth would vouch for her long before I could ever get my two cents in. Though I will say Cindy's on my shortlist of people I'd give a puppy to, if not pay her to take one. She's that kind of special home every dog deserves. Seriously, for a change. 
[Kerry - hubby has probably resigned himself to sleeping in an empty dog crate ]
Kristine |
Hubby dosen't have a clue  He is outside working on the tractor. I just want this puppy to have a good home. |
| Please let me know if I can help you. Our rescue group would be glad to assist you with re-homing him if you want us to do so. |
Yep...Cindy would be an awesome home for any pup!
(and has been to many!) We are going to start keeping you busy lady 
You have lots on your plate!!!!!!!! So nice of you to offer.... 
Give me a call Cindy.... Lots to chit chat about here! |
| thank you ladys.i posted my post here not knowing if i could. guess was kinda stressed due to my health. we have only had our pup for a week as of today. yes we got him from a local breeder with out researching her plus not getting paper work on health. dumb on our part. very hard to come across sheep dogs here in s.c. so we were excited to find this breeder so close to us. breeder sold him to us for 550.00 but long story after we took money out back we did not ballence our acount right so we were charge bank fee for taking so much out of back machine on a sunday.which was our own fault no dought. so the for reasons that worried me with pup i then took him to vent on that monday costing another 60.00. plus bought him bed crate food and toy. another thing thats really something was my choice! as of now we have almost 1000,00 in him. i got bad news friday. and i freaked. my health providers deductable is 1200,00 before the dr will do any more tests. i was hit with alot of stress friday that we had no idea was in picture when getting our puppy. my many freak out is i have a 3 year old daughter to care for. i cant just ignore my health. next is to be fair and honest i know our home with me in and out of dr.s is not wise to have a 12 week old puppy who needs love and time. i relize getting him a good home is of most inportence but fact is we have had him one week. we can not afford to lose so much money. by no means are we rich. im a stay at home mom. if our pup was older i would never resell him. if i was unable to care for him i would look for good home with no money asked. being we only had him week and breeder is not going to give us not even half of what we paid. nothing. we are devestated with this. plus breeder is telling me storys and im by no means taking him back there for her to sell so dog can get stressed again. he is doing so good in our home. i just can not bare for him to go back in a kennel and outside after we have had him in our home. he sleeps in bed with me and my daughter. if i was a awful person and only thought of my worries he would have went back to breeder. i have been very sick and struggling to care for everything but im willing to do what it takes to get max a great home. but i also have to try to get money back of some form. if we had him for months or year i could see people getting ugly with me. we are a good family and i by no means want harm to this puppy. i just know with all we have on our plate ahead of us. theres no way max will get the needs he needs for his kind of breed.i only came here in case someone may be in s.c. or close state was looking for a beautiful puppy.i did not want to upset anyone. and i by no means want to make money off a max. i can give breeders info and she can verify amount i paid! i have my local vet to vefify that to. i can not bare anymore nasty calls. im trying to do right by us and max.
i had spoke to two woman here very nice to me and thank you for that! i swear if we had more money put up and things were not so hard max would go to a home free. but omg that much money for us is alot my husband went in to money we did not need to spend due to all i give up . we wanted to give me max as a special gift for all i do. our past few years have been over board with so much bad. to much to explain here. we did not get puppy just to get one. we had no idea how this would turn out! thank you for understanding sorry this is so long. i just had a really awful call and i can not bare anymore! melinda |
| Melinda - no one should be giving you a hard time for trying to make your life work out however you need it to. My apologies, sometimes people don't understand nothing is black and white and that people are as important as dogs. best of luck with your health and I hope you are reaching out for help in handling your issues. |
| ok not good need advis fast! breeder of our pup and our problems not good! im stressed to max! want to do right by this pup! please money is yes a big issue but omg i can not stop crying.breeeder is so not right with our max! i have never been so upset as i am right now. got my 3 year old so upset too. this is not how i wanted it to be. im a good person and have feelings of hate right now towards breeders! omg will i shut this woman down! if it takes all i got left in me she will never ever sell anouther puppy! |
| Melinda
Please let me know if I can help..... I enjoyed talking to you and YES you are a good person!
Kathy |
| hey lindy. we just got home from vet check up went well max got shot and wormed and parvo check. vet concerned with max eating his poop. says this is not normal and very unhealthy. if you could by chance call me this evening. i go to a dr appt for me at 2pm so im not sure how long i will be gone. but should be home by 4pm i would think if not greg is home with jessica and max. max has me worried with the eating poop plus he is very upset crieing none stop. dr said if no better come back monday. he seems to think max was cleaning his area as puppy. as soon as he poops he drops head and eats. i been on top of him but he is fast then i take him away from the poop but he runs back fast to eat more. this part is very hard cause its all over his mouth and with jessica this is not good. im stressed big time over it. i want to grab him from poop and he snapped at me. he is very calm but with the pooping it seems to have him wild. every poop has been this way and im not sure what to do. im headed out now but i will call later if i do not hear back ok. im just worried. thanks so much melinda |
| Greg Lovelace here. I am writing in regards to the sheep dog we purchased from you last Sunday. I know my wife has written to you a couple of times, the second time with concern to the puppy eating his feces. I have witnessed the puppy doing this every single time he's gone outside and deficated, as well as the several times he's gone in the house. As my wife has mentioned, we have tried to stay on top of him while doing this, however he becomes extremely aggressive and has snapped at us both as we try to stop him from eating it. I know my wife spoke to you on the phone and from what you were saying this puppy did not do this with you, however as soon as he got to our home last Sunday and deficated (liquid/runny by the way), he turned and started eating it. I in no way believe that he started doing this upon getting out of the car on Sunday. We needed to be informed of this behavior prior to our paying you $550 for this dog. This is totally unacceptable. We obviously would not have have wanted this dog eating his feces and then coming in our home and being around our three year old daughter and licking her. I'm sure you understand this. I'm also finding that there seems to be some other psychological issues with this puppy as he cries almost non-stop. We have given him chew toys and even while lying on the floor trying to chew on one, he is steady crying and whining. If any of us makes the slightest move, he jumps as if something has scared him to death and at times even yelps as if someone has hit him. At first we believed it was just a new environment, however this is not the issue. Tonight, I witnessed this puppy snap at my daughter. Again, this is completely unacceptable for us. I do not know what is wrong with this puppy, however we are extremely not happy with him and are wanting to bring him back for a full refund. We have only had this puppy here since Sunday week (7 days), so we feel we are well within our rights to bring the puppy back and have you return our money. We will agree to waive the veteranarean fee that we were charged, although I feel we should also be re-imbursed for that as well. Please contact us upon receipt of this email so we can make a time to bring the puppy back to you for a full refund of $550. Sincerely, |
| Are you considering returning him to Lindy???? |
| Greg I spoke on the phone with Melinda and she had told me she couldn't care for the pup because she had health issues "cancer" sorry I hope not.Not because the pup had problems. I told her I would take him back and sell him for you. So please bring him back so I can take pictures and re post him online. Kind regards,Lindy
after i told her all we felt was wrong plus my health, she responds with this... we are at lost for we can not send this pup back to her..omg but we are now hurting in so many ways with our daughter hurting over losing pup and us money wise. this is wrong! |
| Greg.What have you been feeding the little guy? Bring him back we will sell him as quickly as possible. I would be able to refund you when he is sold. Lindy |
| Greg Lovelace here. I am writing in regards to the sheep dog we purchased from you last Sunday. I know my wife has written to you a couple of times, the second time with concern to the puppy eating his feces. I have witnessed the puppy doing this every single time he's gone outside and deficated, as well as the several times he's gone in the house. As my wife has mentioned, we have tried to stay on top of him while doing this, however he becomes extremely aggressive and has snapped at us both as we try to stop him from eating it. I know my wife spoke to you on the phone and from what you were saying this puppy did not do this with you, however as soon as he got to our home last Sunday and deficated (liquid/runny by the way), he turned and started eating it. I in no way believe that he started doing this upon getting out of the car on Sunday. We needed to be informed of this behavior prior to our paying you $550 for this dog. This is totally unacceptable. We obviously would not have have wanted this dog eating his feces and then coming in our home and being around our three year old daughter and licking her. I'm sure you understand this. I'm also finding that there seems to be some other psychological issues with this puppy as he cries almost non-stop. We have given him chew toys and even while lying on the floor trying to chew on one, he is steady crying and whining. If any of us makes the slightest move, he jumps as if something has scared him to death and at times even yelps as if someone has hit him. At first we believed it was just a new environment, however this is not the issue. Tonight, I witnessed this puppy snap at my daughter. Again, this is completely unacceptable for us. I do not know what is wrong with this puppy, however we are extremely not happy with him and are wanting to bring him back for a full refund. We have only had this puppy here since Sunday week (7 days), so we feel we are well within our rights to bring the puppy back and have you return our money. We will agree to waive the veteranarean fee that we were charged, although I feel we should also be re-imbursed for that as well. Please contact us upon receipt of this email so we can make a time to bring the puppy back to you for a full refund of $550. |
| Greg I spoke on the phone with Melinda and she had told me she couldn't care for the pup because she had health issues "cancer" sorry I hope not.Not because the pup had problems. I told her I would take him back and sell him for you. So please bring him back so I can take pictures and re post him online. Kind regards,Lindy |
just so upset i wrote huge post but messed it up. going to bed but wanted to last thing say thank you to the greatest members here. i have learned alot from reading here just wish i found you guys sooner.  |
| breeders last email was with refund when OUR PUP IS SOLD!!!! her pup we had him a week fact is dshe is breeder should alway take her pup back if health issue or problem with dog bitting a child! we did our research we did right as a owner and i so would have her butt hung if i did not have a 3 year old! she knew how we were with our daughter! she knew no bitting! yes bitting is normal with puupys but omg not like this! this was aggressive in big way! i should have took puppy back one first day but i just could not. i was in love and before tonight i made excuses!!!! but my husband has seen all he can see and he has had it! not puppy fault he knows this! but he also is about our money, as i am but, me im worried about puppy. how the hell do i let this breeder sell this puppy again plus the other one she has and do this again and again. its got to stop and this puppy deserves a home with someone with lots of time! not sure now with kids?? damn shame |
| We will bring the dog back, however for the full refund of $550 at the time we bring the dog back. Again, we are well within our rights (14 days by law) to return this puppy for the full refund. We could post and sell this puppy ourselves probably without issue, however not with it eating its own feces and with behavioral problems that have come to light for us throughout this week. The snapping at our 3 year old tonight was the last straw. We are not sure what health issues Melinda has as yet, however will hopefully find out this week. Again, when can we bring this puppy back for a full refund of the amount we paid? We would prefer to bring the puppy back tomorrow morning as we would prefer not to prolong his being here. |
| I’m not sure where to start on this one.
From your post it would seem as if you do not have much money. Given such a fact, why on earth would you buy and OES? You and your family are the quintessential picture of why puppy mills and back yard breeders thrive. You should be ashamed at yourselves. You have provided solid, concrete evidence as to why a dog owner should do research before purchasing and owning a dog, for your sake AND the sake of the dog. -First of all paying the amount you stated that you paid is almost certain that you got a back yard breeder or puppy mill. In either case they do not care about your problems nor are they interested in helping you. -Secondly, by doing this and being a lackadaiscal owner it would seem that you do not deserve nor should not have and OES in your household. -Thirdly, do not purchase a dog that you are not able to fully commit to financially support and unconditionally love. This business about having cancer: I am an RN I have had cancer (in remission) and I have two wonderful childeren and the world's best OES---none of which I would EVER consider geting rid of, no matter what! I understand the devastating toll of that cancer might ential and the many shapes in which it rears it’s ugly head. This is, however, in no way a reason to me to get rid of anything (my children, my OES my husband included)! Sometimes in life you learn you just need to deal with the hand you’re dealt and smile. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. Please believe, I do not wish to impugne or deride you or your intentions what so ever. I will believe that you want the best. Best wishes and best luck to you. |
Quote: We could post and sell this puppy ourselves probably without issue, however not with it eating its own feces and with behavioral problems that have come to light for us throughout this week. The snapping at our 3 year old tonight was the last straw.
Poop eating, also known as Coprophagy, is normal behavior for some puppies and dogs. My puppy came from a show breeder and he too decided a few times early on to eat poo until we made it taste less appealing and taught him it wasn't going to be tolerated. While it seems horrifying to us, it's not deviant behavior for dogs. If you take him out to potty each time he has to go and clean it up immediately, the problem is eliminated
Nipping too is a puppy behavior and can be an adult behavior in this herding breed. Puppies need to be trained early on and closely supervised, especially with small children. Chalk it up to one of life's impulsive decisions and now make the best decision for this puppy. Because it's the puppy who will either thrive or suffer because of your next decision. Best wishes to you all. |
graciesheepie wrote: I’m not sure where to start on this one.
From your post it would seem as if you do not have much money. Given such a fact, why on earth would you buy and OES? You and your family are the quintessential picture of why puppy mills and back yard breeders thrive. You should be ashamed at yourselves. You have provided solid, concrete evidence as to why a dog owner should do research before purchasing and owning a dog, for your sake AND the sake of the dog. -First of all paying the amount you stated that you paid is almost certain that you got a back yard breeder or puppy mill. In either case they do not care about your problems nor are they interested in helping you. -Secondly, by doing this and being a lackadaiscal owner it would seem that you do not deserve nor should not have and OES in your household. -Thirdly, do not purchase a dog that you are not able to fully commit to financially support and unconditionally love. This business about having cancer: I am an RN I have had cancer (in remission) and I have two wonderful childeren and the world's best OES---none of which I would EVER consider geting rid of, no matter what! I understand the devastating toll of that cancer might ential and the many shapes in which it rears it’s ugly head. This is, however, in no way a reason to me to get rid of anything (my children, my OES my husband included)! Sometimes in life you learn you just need to deal with the hand you’re dealt and smile. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. Please believe, I do not wish to impugne or deride you or your intentions what so ever. I will believe that you want the best. Best wishes and best luck to you. wow wow. i do believe you need to spspeak around before you judge. as for not alot of money. well omg 550.00 to just chalk up after only 7 days of having this puppy, is that something rich people do? rich poor not alot of money???you do not know whole story i posted this info for the people who have been speeeking to me on phone. we did not get this puppy in light manner. this was a desion that had been thought on for over a year! yes i have said we sure did not investigate breeder. yes our fault and im on a mission now to make sure this happens to no more people or puppys! i have health issues i did not find out about till this past friday!. we got puppy on sunday and puppy was in vet 8am tuesday morning. i by no means am poor i can care for this puppy money wise. but let me tell you something before you judge like this come to my house and put my shoes on and walk a mile in them,ok im husband is yes upset this puppy last night did not just nip my daughter. i do believe i said bit! we were keeping puppy here sence friday of last week after i got my health news, and not taking back to breeder i felt i can deal with the poop eating he is on meds from vet for it!!!!!! he has snaped at me when trying to pick him up or when pulling him back from his poop. i knew i could break that too! fact of this is breeder was told i have health issues friday and we could not keep dog. yes this sounds awful. but fact is i picture my daughter 3 years old at work with her daddy while im getting kemo and our puppy locked in crate for hours on end. then with me caring for my daughter who is 3 years old and tring to give a puppy time and training that it needs with me sick. we wanted breeder to do the right thing. if we had tthis puppy months and then i found out i had cancer then i could understand being nasty to me. we have had him one week and he has got issues yes butthing is breeder should be on top of this this puppy is HER pup! NO IM NOT POOR. OMG. I WANT THE BEST FOR THIS PUPPY BUT I HAVE SAID BEFORE. THIS IS SO HARD ON US AND DAMN IM NOT DONE WITH THIS BREEDER! BUT WE DO NOT HAVE 550.00 DO JUST LET THIS BREEDER HAVE. BY LAW SHE HAS 14 DAYS TO TAKE BACK HER PUPPY NO MATTER WHAT.. this breeder sold us puppy knowing we have a young child and we searched for a year. we are in small town and yes very trusting people!. im trying to defend myself again. i can not defend myself anymore. |
| Sometimes things happen that are beyond our control and we have to give up a pet. We all make decisions at some point that we later regret... we then need to make another decision in order to get past it and get on with life.
Try this until this puppy is returned to the breeder or is rehomed- When he has to poo, take him out on a leash and bring along a some much tastier treats... like small pieces of cooked chicken or beef. Also bring along a bag to pick up the poo. Let him do his business as usual. When he's almost finished, put the treats at his nose to get his attention and lead him away from the poo so his back is to it. Put the treats on the ground for him to eat and step back and clean up the poo. This might allow you to prevent this offensive behavior and leave you both much happier by completely avoiding confrontation. |
| I am the only one who has no idea what the heck is going on here? I have no idea who's who, who has a dog, who bought from who or what happened. |
ButtersStotch wrote: I am the only one who has no idea what the heck is going on here? I have no idea who's who, who has a dog, who bought from who or what happened.
No, I ditto that. I think I read the posts 3 times, and I am still confused! |
ButtersStotch wrote: I am the only one who has no idea what the heck is going on here?
Nope, you're not alone. Great behavioral advice from Jaci though. Hope somebody follows it 
Kristine |
| I think that "Guest" copied what was sent to her breeder so that we could see Guest's and her responses, to give us an idea of what she's facing with the breeder situation. I do believe she's overly stressed right now, and I feel so sorry for her and her situation. I don't think this is the time or place to criticize her, as we are not walking in her shoes, as they say. It definitely goes against Ron's wishes of talking to someone like you're sharing a cup of tea across a table.
Just another example of a BYB gone wrong, complicated by Guest's own health crisis. $550 seems like a lot to Guest, but I wonder if she realizes that a puppy from a good breeder would cost probably 3x that amount? So sad. I hope she can get some relief, both mental and physical. |
| This is what I get from the posts...
Buyer in South Carolina purchased a 12 week old puppy 7 days ago for $550. Upset that puppy bites and eats poop... they have a 3 year old and say they had researched the breed for a year. Buyer is now ill and wants to return the puppy. Breeder has offered to take the puppy back and resell the puppy, then provide a refund. Buyer says, "...BY LAW SHE HAS 14 DAYS TO TAKE BACK HER PUPPY NO MATTER WHAT..." and wants a refund now. Did I miss anything? I just know the first natural reaction to seeing a puppy eat poop is probably squealing or yelling by a first time observer and immediately rushing in and grabbing the puppy to stop the behavior. But this will cause the puppy to become fearful and he may eventually bite because he's first being scared but also being challenged over this "food" object. Taking off my doggie hat now |
6Girls wrote: This is what I get from the posts...
Buyer in South Carolina purchased a 12 week old puppy 7 days ago for $550. Upset that puppy bites and eats poop... they have a 3 year old and say they had researched the breed for a year. Buyer is now ill and wants to return the puppy. Breeder has offered to take the puppy back and resell the puppy, then provide a refund. Buyer says, "...BY LAW SHE HAS 14 DAYS TO TAKE BACK HER PUPPY NO MATTER WHAT..." and wants a refund now. Did I miss anything? I just know the first natural reaction to seeing a puppy eat poop is probably squealing or yelling by a first time observer and immediately rushing in and grabbing the puppy to stop the behavior. But this will cause the puppy to become fearful and he may eventually bite because he's first being scared but also being challenged over this "food" object. Taking off my doggie hat now Thanks for clearing that up, Jaci. I can't believe a 12 week old puppy bites.
Considering she's dealing with a BYB, I think the offer to take the pup back, resell and refund is pretty darned fair. I feel sad for the puppy. |
6Girls wrote: I just know the first natural reaction to seeing a puppy eat poop is probably squealing or yelling by a first time observer and immediately rushing in and grabbing the puppy to stop the behavior. But this will cause the puppy to become fearful and eventually bite because he's being scared and challenged.
Taking off my doggie hat now No, no! Keep it on. It's the only thing that's made sense so far in this thread. The rest appears to be a monetary dispute between buyer and seller which is really none of our collective business, but your description of how to nip coprophagia in the bud in a young puppy is very insightful and valuable. Thanks! Kristine |
ButtersStotch wrote: 6Girls wrote: This is what I get from the posts... Buyer in South Carolina purchased a 12 week old puppy 7 days ago for $550. Upset that puppy bites and eats poop... they have a 3 year old and say they had researched the breed for a year. Buyer is now ill and wants to return the puppy. Breeder has offered to take the puppy back and resell the puppy, then provide a refund. Buyer says, "...BY LAW SHE HAS 14 DAYS TO TAKE BACK HER PUPPY NO MATTER WHAT..." and wants a refund now. Did I miss anything? I just know the first natural reaction to seeing a puppy eat poop is probably squealing or yelling by a first time observer and immediately rushing in and grabbing the puppy to stop the behavior. But this will cause the puppy to become fearful and he may eventually bite because he's first being scared but also being challenged over this "food" object. Taking off my doggie hat now Thanks for clearing that up, Jaci. I can't believe a 12 week old puppy bites. Considering she's dealing with a BYB, I think the offer to take the pup back, resell and refund is pretty darned fair. I feel sad for the puppy. I think Jaci also down played the fact that whether we feel it is justified or not - this individual appears to be overly stressed and should probably also be treated in a humane manner - whether we agree with them or not. It may just be me, but I think her very real seeming stress level is escalating and she does not need to be bashed by or sniped at by a bunch of strangers. Compassion people goes along with tea (or brandy for those who prefer it ) |
| ok i now no one understands but let me try to clear this up one last time and i will not come back on here...
on sunday before last we bought a puppy from what we thought was a well known old english sheep dog. we are in south carolina and i have in my 39 years never seen a sheep dog here over 800.00. ever. yes i have seen them higher in other states! here in s.c. to pay 550.00 for this breed is yes lot less then other states. let me say puppy was acting sick all sunday. yes eating poop. yes i used leash but puppy was very much stressed due to ride and new place new people so i took leash off puppy had loose loose poop. was no better threw monday and cried as if he was in pain when laying down. i called vet monday but he was not there so i made my visit for first this tuesday. took him in. vet then told us he was loaded in worms and also said eating his poop was most likely because breader was not feeding him and had im in small area and puppy did not like it. i wrote breeder with my feelings but as of that time i had no thought on giving this pup up. i took puppy in on 8am tuesday and i had dr appt at 2pm same day. for my yearly check up. i had been weak sleepy and having un explained bruises. so i told dr all this in my check up. blood work was done and on friday i was told i have cancer. NOW PLEASE READ I HAD NO MEANING OF GIVING UP OUR PUPPY MAX. TILL I GOT MY BLOOD BACK AND WAS TOLD I WOULD THEN NEED MORE TEST AND AND IM BLEEDING IN MY BODY SOMEWHERE MOST THOUGHT WAS TO KIDNEYS. ANYWAY FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF WAS MY DAUGHTER AND WOULD I LIVE TO SEE MY BABY GROW UP. NEXT WAS MAX WITH OMG HOW WILL I CARE FOR A PUPPY AND WILL IT BE RIGHT ON THIS PUPPY TO BE IN A CRATE ALL THE TIME!!! WE DO NOT HAVE FENCE WE HAVE LOTS OF LAND BUT LIVE OFF A HIGHWAY. SO I CAN NOT JUST OPEN MY DOOR AND LET PUPPY OUT TO GET TO PLAY. I HAVE TO ALWAYS BE OUT WITH HIM WHEN HE GOES OUT. NO IM NOT PUTTING UP A LINE TO CHAIN HIM TO IT. WE HAVE NO FAMILY TO HELP. SO YES I CALLED BREEDER AND TOLD HER WE COULD NOT BE FAIR TO THIS PUP AND SHE WOULD NEED TO TAKE HIM BACK. THE BOOM HIT THEN THIS PAST FRIDAY SHE TOLD ME AFTER ONLY HAVING PUPPY 5 DAYS THAT NO SHE COULD NOT TAKE HIM BACK. AND AFTER A SECOND CALL SHE THEN TOLD ME BRING HIM BACK AND I WILL TRY TO SEEL HIM BUT I MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DUE TO HIS AGE!!!!!! WHAT???? HIS AGE WE HAD HIM 5 DAYS HE WAS 11 WEEKS OLD. WELL AFTER THAT CALL I GOT ON LINE AND RESEARCHED HER AND OMG SHE BREEDS TONES OF BREEDS I NEVER SAW HER SIGHT THAT I FOUND IM DEVISTATED. MY HUSBAND TOOK OVER LAST NIGHT AND I KNOW IT COMES OFF AS IF WE ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY BUT THIS IS NOT THE FACT! I COULD HAVE ALREADY SOLD THIS PUPPY FOR 600.00 SATURDAY. WE DID NOT DO IT PLUS I WAS HONEST WITH WOMAN OFF ALL THE INFO SHE DID NOT CAR AND WANTED MAX BUT SHE HAD NO REFRENCES NOR EVER HAD A VET??? RED FLAG WENT UP FOR ME YES MY HUSBAND WAS UPSET WE DO NEED THE MONEY. AND YES WITH NOW KNOWING I NEED LOTS OF DR VISITS. WE KNOW WE HAVE A HARD ROAD. ANYWAY I WANT THE BEST FOR THIS PUPPY IF I DID NOT PUPPY COULD ALREADY BE GONE. IM CARING FOR THIS PUPPY SICK AND YES WORRIED ABOUT MY FUTURE. FORGIVE ME FOR YES THINKING OF MY FAMILY. I HAVE TONES OF PEOPLE TO BACK UP WHO I AM I WORKED FOR VET I MANAGED A PET STORE AND MY MOTHER WAS A BREEDER OF OLD ENGLISH SHEEP DOGS IN THE 7O AND 80'S I GREW UP WITH THIS BREEDER AND I ALSO HAD HORSES. I CAN DOG TRAIN . THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS PUPPY HAVING ISSUES.. ALL THIS TO US IS ABOUT THIS BREEDER DOING WRONG BUY BUYERS AND OMG TO HER DOGS SHE IS BREEDING! IM GOING TO COPY AND PASTE HER ADD HERE AND ALSO THE WEB SITS I FOUND UNDER HERE AND HER MOTHER. THEY ALL LIVE ON SAME LAND. THSES BREEDERS ARE TO ME SICK AND IF I WAS NOT SO SICK I WOULD BE ALL OVER THIS AND AT THERE HOUSE. I HAVE ONLY CAME HERE CAUSE I KNEW THIS SIGHT WAS SHEEP DOG LOVERS. YES I THOUGHT I COULD FIND A HOME FOR PUPPY AND YES GET SOME OF OUR MONEY I DID NOT WANT TO SEND THIS PUPPY BACK TO BREEDER HE IS SAFE AND HAPPY HERE WHY IN THE WORLD I WOULD WANT TO SEND HIM BACK. YES MY HUSBAND IS FEELING DIFFRENT HIS FAMILY TO HIM COMES BEFORE A DOG. AND I HAVE FOUGHT WITH HIM ALSO IM FIGHTING WITH A MAN I NEVER FOUGHT WITH IN 9 YEARS. SORRY PEOPLE 550 IS ALOT WHEN YOUR SICK!. NOW IM STRESSED CAUSE YES IM TOO SICK TO REALLY DO RIGHT BY THIS PUP AND WE HAVE BEEN DONE IN BY BREEDER! |
| [Sorry, no links to puppyfind allowed. -Ron] THIS ABOVE LINK IS THE LAST PUPPY SHE HAS STILL IN HER CARE AND IS OUR PUPPYS SISTER! |
| THIS LINK IS EVERY DOG THEY SELL ON THERE LAND WE DID NOT KNOW THIS NORE WAS THERE SIGN OF THIS IN HER WONDERFUL HOME. YES WE MESSED UP WE ARE VERY TRUSTING PEOPLE. NOT ANYMORE!
PLEASE GO TO EACH LINK AND SEE THE SAME WOMAN THAT SOLD US OUR PUP... HOW MANY POOR DOGS ARE THEY DOING WRONG BY? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo ... h&aq=f&oq= |
| Even after studying all these posts, I am still mixed up here. 1st, most reputable breeders who are in this for the betterment of the breed will sell their pups for 3 times what you paid JUST to cover their costs of health testing & raising the litter to a suitable age for placement. Even in the South. I know breeders in the South. 2nd, unless you have a notorized, signed contract with this breeder stating she will refund $$$$ upfront upon return within a specified number of days, I don't see how you can expect anything back. You state you do not want to have the puppy go back to live under the breeder's conditions yet I am seeing conversation of just that if the $$$ will be refunded. If this puppy has issues (sickness & "nipping" or "biting") I would think you'd be farther ahead returning it to the breeder without any refund than the $$$ it will take to either deal with the problems or perhaps selling it to another family & then having them sue you over the pup not being sound in body & temperment. In my opinion, if you do not feel comfortable giving the pup back to the breeder, call your local OES rescue group. They will make sure your pup is evaluated properly & placed in the proper home that can deal with it's problems. I don't mean to sound harsh. I know the money spent is important to you. But we have all at times made a mistake in purchasing something (live or inanimate) & we learn from our mistakes. |
| I have offered to take the puppy into rescue and the
offer is definately still open. (Cindy and Tammy have offered as well) I was ready to drive there today! I have talked to Melinda and she knows that we in rescue can not pay the money to compensate her. Melinda, Please call the breeder and talk to her yourself. How about the two of you sign a contract that when the pup is resold that she will give you your money back.... Being an animal lover yourself talk to her about why she doesn't have the money to give you right now, maybe you would have a better understanding. Kathy |
Anonymous wrote: THIS LINK IS EVERY DOG THEY SELL ON THERE LAND WE DID NOT KNOW THIS NORE WAS THERE SIGN OF THIS IN HER WONDERFUL HOME. YES WE MESSED UP WE ARE VERY TRUSTING PEOPLE. NOT ANYMORE!
PLEASE GO TO EACH LINK AND SEE THE SAME WOMAN THAT SOLD US OUR PUP... HOW MANY POOR DOGS ARE THEY DOING WRONG BY? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jo ... h&aq=f&oq= Sorry to say that in your years of searching for an OES, you should have done that Google search before you bought from that breeder. $1,500 to $2,000+ is the going rate for an OES produced by a reputable breeder in the U.S. Perhaps there are no reputable breeders near to you, but the costs of producing a healthy, breed-representative Old English Sheepdog necessitates the high costs. Yes, $550 is a lot of money to most of us! But it has been spent, just as if you had taken a vacation the week before your diagnosis. If you can't get a refund from the breeder, please turn your dog into an OES rescue organization. |
Donner's Mom wrote: I have offered to take the puppy into rescue and the
offer is definately still open. (Cindy and Tammy have offered as well) I was ready to drive there today! I have talked to Melinda and she knows that we in rescue can not pay the money to compensate her. Melinda, Please call the breeder and talk to her yourself. How about the two of you sign a contract that when the pup is resold that she will give you your money back.... Being an animal lover yourself talk to her about why she doesn't have the money to give you right now, maybe you would have a better understanding. Kathy thank you very much! as for breeder she is say she does not think she can sell him cause of his age refuses to sign anything! this puppy is healthy and yes he is doing so much better now then the day we got him thats why im not wanting him back there plus we found out she has like 20 other dog breeds she is breeding and selling. once again we only had puppy 5 days when we wanted to return. she is one at that point was nasty as i had been trying to keep her updated on this puppy issues he has is not why im returning him or was of friday. the news that i got from dr. was reason! and is the fact to itwith finding him a home. as some people keep pointing out the price of a good old english sheepodog is so much more so be happy im out of 550.00.. and i relize yes we were stupid on our part but omg we are good people . a good breeder took our money , we got puppy and 5 days later she has no money to give us back..ok but she has a damn breeding farm. big point to make this puppy was not treated right no way. he is doing great not half as bad with his poop eating. i can not crat him he is freaked out so bad. like vet said this pupy had to have been locked up in small area. he is showing aggisive behavior that if i was not going to be in and out of drs i could break. all issues are simple things that yes breeder knew about and said nothing!!!i have done right by max and i will! all i know isthis breeder does not need to sell puppy like she is. yes thats why there are so many abused dogs or shelter dogs. i just can not explain this anymore its not coming out on here as im wanting it to. just have to know us and also see how this breeder has behaved! we did nothing wrong but have been told its our fault we have been done wrong. to me this breeder is a thift selling puppys sick . we have other things with things we saw but we fell in love with max. and yes i guess 550.00 for a dog is alot. for us i spent another 420.00 on bed for him toys food and vet so i have right at 1000.00 im going to be honest and try to sell him to a interviewed home!!!!! we desided max is not going out of this home to go back in a pen. we do so want best for him. im going to post him for 400.00 as a adoption fee only they will have to have vet so i can call them plus i want refrences. we have learned the hard way and its sad for max. as for max bitting it seems to be when he is wanting his poop and last night his bit was with a crawl and yes at 12 weeks my daughter has nice bruise from it. NO MY DAUGHTER DID NOT MAKE MAX BIT HER! max loves my daughter he is he shadow. he had a toy and guess was not giving it up. but i have never know sheep dog puppy to be that way. and it was upsetting because he had been doing that with me but i was dealing with it never myself would have thought at 12 weeks he would bit my daughter . i have to try and get max home cause i go to have tests on the 11th and im on meds today and im dizzy from it. i would have taken max back to breeder if i was not worried and love max. yes breeder could have sold him 7 months from now and given our money back. but we do not trust her now. this puppy stool was full of worms the day we got him. im talking sick abouts he was not eating. i have his stool good now and no worms he eats like a horse. he is no longer winning and i got him were if i clap my hands he wont eat his poop. as for bitting yes as i showed all with his email to breeder he is mad as all get out. he has right to be, so do i. for all that are say poor puppy. he is very much well cared for and i bet i get him a great home |
| HOW DO I GET FEW PICTURES UP? I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEE MAX AND PUT A FACE WITH WHO WE ARE. I JUST CAN NOT FIGURE THIS OUT.. |
| I talked to the breeder and she said she is
willing to sign a contract stating that she will return money to you when the pup is sold. As far as age he is just a week older than when you bought him.
The sooner she can list him the better That is why she would like to talk to YOU since you were the one that purchased the pup. |
Donner's Mom wrote: I talked to the breeder and she said she is
willing to sign a contract stating that she will return money to you when the pup is sold. As far as age he is just a week older than when you bought him. The sooner she can list him the better That is why she would like to talk to YOU since you were the one that purchased the pup. HEY CAN YOU CALL US AT HOME PLEASE WHEN YOU CAN. IF CAN TONIGHT! THANKS MELINDA |
This is the husband of crazy woman.  Let me apologise for my wife's grammar and confusing posts. I try to tell her to let me do the writing, however as you can tell she's a bit on the hard headed side.
I've read some very good points in the posts made regarding eating the feces. I'm sure given time and some work, Max would get out of doing this. Also, his "nipping" is obviously his being a puppy and a behavior that can also be changed with time and work. I will say that this particular OES (and I have been around many in my lifetime) has a somewhat more aggressive behavior than I've seen in others, which does concern me. Especially given we have a three year old daughter. I will admit that I am very surprised and quite upset with the breeder refusing to take the puppy back and refund our money. This to me, is not being a reputable breeder. "I got the money, too bad now." Ah well, as someone posted, we live and learn. Donner's Mom, I appreciate your calling the breeder and trying to help us out. My wife has talked to the breeder a few minutes ago. |
| AND WHAT!!! |
| Working things out....
Thanks Melinda and Greg for hanging in there... I know this is a tough time! |
| morning all who have followed this crazy post. this morning im so torn. i need advis kinda fast. we made contract up last night and husband and i talked long and hard. contract says if breeder does not sell max in one month we take him back. yes im torn. yes we do need some of the money back. but i did not sleep all night. took max to vet and got a clear on his health. he has tap worm that was in stool sence we got him. i thougt the wormer they gave him cleared it up but was informed no that required diffrent wormer and that was not done last tuesday, i was under understanding this wormer given last tuesday cleared up all worms. max was loaded when we got him. i been still seeing worms but thought they were just dead worms. well i called and nope. so got wormer for it this morning. also max had been scarting in ears but vet said nothing about it last tuesday. well i been cleaning his ears and giving him baths but he scartched anyway. so he has ear mites. vet missed last tuesday. said he had them when we got him but they were in ear deep so now there surficing when he shakes his head.
ok my thought and here is were im so torn. yes we paid only 550.00 for him. but i would think that a breeder would not sell puppy with worms and ear mites. then spoke with breeder and she said he was not eating his poop but , he did this from first poop the day we got him. he could no way just have started this . she said his run always had pop in it. but i know there is no way. yes we need the money. but taking him back after i have this puppy healthy, really worrys me. as vet told me if he is placed in run and contuies and his are is dirty he will eat his poop again. and that is very unhealthy. being max is only a baby, that is my biggest worry. breeder was not willing to sign anything till donners mom contacted her. then if she does not sell puppy we take max back and then what if he is really sick from this? please no one bash me. im very torn. max is beautiful he is healthy and is doing so good with house breaking he listens very well. anything he is doing wrong all i have to do is say no max and i clap my hands loud, he is very calm puppy. he is sleeping in bed with us and sleeps threw night. no more winning or crying. im knowing we can not keeping him because of my health. and i know losing 550.00 is hard on us. im thinking of adopting him to a home for 300.00 is this thought wrong? my husband will be upset but this will help some and still get max a great home??? but i need to get all of your advise. good and bad please no one make me feel worst then i do. i just am so upset stressed and am fully worried about max. yes 8 days with max and we do love him! |
| Please... carefully screen the new home so this pup doesn't end up bounced around. As I said before, take a minute to visit a few OES rescue websites and copy up their adoption applications so you can ask these important questions of the buyer. Require a securely fenced yard... you mentioned this was just one of the reasons you yourself are unable to keep this pup.
There is so much that goes into properly rehoming a dog... I know the money aspect of this is very important but the right home for this puppy needs to be found. You don't want him ending up in a puppymill situation or chained up in someone's backyard. The new family needs to understand that this breed is time consuming and expensive- in both training and grooming. Some of these dogs end up in less than stellar homes and have lost their lives due to behavioral problems that were improperly handled or from neglect. I have an OES that was in two different homes after the breeder... she also spent 3 weeks at a humane society at around 4 months of age before her second owner adopted her. She then entered OES rescue at around 10 months of age and finally flew to me. She arrived a lovable oaf that was an emotional and behavioral mess because she was bounced around and no one ever committed to working through her problems. She had severe separation anxiety and knew no limits not to mention her list of health problems. So I've experienced the suffering of a dog that wasn't properly placed/rehomed. Your pup is in a critical time of development where he can be eased into compliance or ruined by improper handling. This little guy deserves a forever home with this next placement. Hopefully the individual you mentioned that's willing to pay $300 is capable of providing a perfect home and has a good track record of sticking by their dog. |
jcc9797 wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: I am the only one who has no idea what the heck is going on here? I have no idea who's who, who has a dog, who bought from who or what happened. No, I ditto that. I think I read the posts 3 times, and I am still confused! triple the confusion |
graciesheepie wrote: I’m not sure where to start on this one.
From your post it would seem as if you do not have much money. Given such a fact, why on earth would you buy and OES? You and your family are the quintessential picture of why puppy mills and back yard breeders thrive. You should be ashamed at yourselves. You have provided solid, concrete evidence as to why a dog owner should do research before purchasing and owning a dog, for your sake AND the sake of the dog. -First of all paying the amount you stated that you paid is almost certain that you got a back yard breeder or puppy mill. In either case they do not care about your problems nor are they interested in helping you. -Secondly, by doing this and being a lackadaiscal owner it would seem that you do not deserve nor should not have and OES in your household. -Thirdly, do not purchase a dog that you are not able to fully commit to financially support and unconditionally love. This business about having cancer: I am an RN I have had cancer (in remission) and I have two wonderful childeren and the world's best OES---none of which I would EVER consider geting rid of, no matter what! I understand the devastating toll of that cancer might ential and the many shapes in which it rears it’s ugly head. This is, however, in no way a reason to me to get rid of anything (my children, my OES my husband included)! Sometimes in life you learn you just need to deal with the hand you’re dealt and smile. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY. Please believe, I do not wish to impugne or deride you or your intentions what so ever. I will believe that you want the best. Best wishes and best luck to you. graciesheepie, I think you and all of the others that have made your opinions about someone you have never met or know nothing about their situation should keep them amongst yourselves. This is a place to ask for advise, help, advise others, and be a supportive OES COMMUNITY. I do not know you, but your unkind words make me realize once again that there are people in this world that blindly pass judgment onto others, and I work in inner-city education. How would you feel if I told you that you completely SUCK and your family SUCKS and every decision that you [u]ever[/e] made SUCKS!!!!!!!!? If you have a heart, a soul and are a compassionate person, you probably wouldn't feel so good after you read what I wrote about you, so I won't tell you that. If you want to b!^(h, send yourself an email or send it to someone that cares and don't post it on here. You should only write and post what you would say to someone in person to their face, and I would say to you what I tell my students, and it would be exactly what I wrote. I convey that exact message to students multiple times a week. I would be happy to send anyone that would like information on electronic/online etiquette or "how to treat others with respect and dignity." We are a community and not a courtroom. |
| Can we stick to the subject matter please!
Bottom line is there is a puppy that needs a home! I am not alone in worrying that he ends up in a safe place. We are very worried about this puppy so PLEASE.....leave this area for helping Max and his family! |
| Donner's Mom,
I do not think I am out of line here. I'm sorry you believe that I am, but I think that the conduct of members in this forum and this and other situations IS directly related to this topic. No only are we here for the dog, but for the humans that want the best for this and other dogs as well. I think people need to be aware of what they write and how they write it. The family should not have to read how people judge their situation and those that attack-via-text should be called out on it. Just like everyone else, I hope for a fast resolution to this situation, the family and Max deserve to successfully move on with their lives, happy and supported. Wendy |
Donner's Mom wrote: Can we stick to the subject matter please!
Bottom line is there is a puppy that needs a home! I am not alone in worrying that he ends up in a safe place. We are very worried about this puppy so PLEASE.....leave this area for helping Max and his family! From a rescue standpoint, I see a family who is trying hard to rehome a puppy that they care a great deal about. Anyone who judges a person for the choices they made is totally out of line. We don't know everything about this family nor do we need to. They have come to our group asking for help and what do they get? 
Our Rescue has seen dogs surrendered for what seem to be trivial reasons but we try not to judge them. If a family can't take proper care of an animal for whatever reason it's better that they relinquish ownership. Most people actually do have the animal's best interest at heart. This family realizes now that their choice of breeder was less than ideal. They shouldn't be crucified for it. Is it their fault that a serious medical condition occurred? Doing what they feel is best for the dog is commendable. Anyone with such accusatory words should just keep these comments to themselves. I cannot believe the nerve of those who called this family to spew venom at them. It's appalling that anyone from this forum would actually do such a thing.
It appears that Kathy (Donner's Mom) has successfully made contact with the family as well as the breeder and is making progress in working things out. Kathy has a lot of contacts if additional assistance is needed so maybe we should all just let her handle things and let us know what is needed? Nita Midwest Old English Sheepdog Rescue |
| I agree Let Kathy work with this family and she knows that I can and will take this puppy if it needs a home. Sometimes things just don't work out, this family has a hard decision to make . |
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