Is he going to be a GIANT???
Quick sheepie question for you all... My wife just got back from puppy classes with our 4 months old male sheepie. There was another sheepie (female) in the class that was only a few days younger than our Murphy. Murphy is 30 lbs...this little female pup was only 18 lbs. Our Murphy was that size @ 16 weeks old! Now my wife is a little worried that we'll wind up with a 100 lb. sheepie instead of the 65 we were expecting based upon the monther (60 lbs) and the father (70 lbs) One other note I should add...Our sheepie came from a breeder, and the female sheepie came from the the mall pet store (Pass Pets). The other Sheepie's owner took her to the vet and she is very healthy, as is our Murphy. Long story short....I know there is a size difference between females and males, but 2x the size seems a bit much for that being the only difference between 2 sheepies. Do you guys think he is so big because he's going to be a 100 lbs dog? Thanks for the input! Murphy's Parents |
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| He's probably going to be big - most likely bigger than 65 lbs - but the female sounds very small for 4 months old. She may end up catching up though. Presley was tiny when she was that age (10 lbs at 3 months) - but she's 65 lbs now and rather tall (considering what we had expected). |
| Our 10 month old male OES Bogart was weighed at the
vet yesterday-------80 lbs !  |
| If you're really worried- give yuour breeder a call. They should be able to tell you how large the GRANDPARENTS got- that should give you an idea of the entire gene pool- if most of them ended up around 701 for the males, your boy should be around there too. But, then maybe one of the grandpas was more in the neighborhood of 80-90...
Karen  |
| I think we're in your shoes too. Jasper was 20 pounds at 8 weeks old. |
 Farley is 55 pounds at 5.5 months. His dad was 70 and mom was 60 too. Oh well... MORE TO LOVE!  |
| They come in all sizes, even a dog out of large parents can end up smaller and vice versa. He will probably end up to be bigger than his parents, maybe 75 or 80 lbs, by the sound of him, but like Kristen said the female may catch up. Also, the female probably comes from a puppy mill type situation, no reputable breeder EVER lets their pups end up in a pet store. |
| It will be fun to see what size he ends up at.
OES seem to have a wide size range - wider than many breeds. Our girl Shayleigh is a relative midget OES at 50# and came from a respected breeder. Recently, we bred her to an outstanding male of some 90#. Where will the pups be on the scale? You got me! Stay tuned, March 20 fast approaches.
John |
| What I have seen, the growth comes in spurts, and is different for each dog. He will grow rapidly for a couple weeks or month, then slow down. Then pick-up again then slow back down.
My 14 month old grew real quick and was around 45 lbs at 4 months and 70 lbs at 6 months. Then his weight didn't change noticeably until he hit 11 months. Now we are hovering around 95 lbs and expect some more growth in the coming months. |
| I bet your pup will be big. Our Wrigley was 2nd biggest in the litter. He is now 12 weeks and 22lbs. Our vet said he's going to be a big one! |
| I wish there was a mini OES. They would stay puppy size forever.
The only problem is, I would have to have 15 or 20 of them.!!!!!! It would be great though. |
| The one thing we told our breeder is that we didn't want a giant dog. Our older dog is a small OES. Well guess what...Carl was the 3rd smallest in his litter and is now stands at about 27 inches. He's not heavy he's just tall. His parents were both under 25 inches as well as his grandparents. They are super fun no matter what size though! |
| Hi,
I do know that females are smaller than males, sometimes as much as 20 pounds. Unlike you , I want a big boy and am dissapointed my Merlin is only around 60 pounds. At four months he was huge and stood the same height as my 15 year old female, Shaggy. Although, Shaggy was considered dimunitive for a fully grown OES. When I adopted her at the pound I was told she was a four month old Sheepie. After a visit to the vet I was astonished to find out she was already a year old and had been starved as her weight was a mere 25 pounds! Gasp! She eventually gained and hovered around 45 pounds the rest of her life. It appeared her earlier starvation had an effect on her weight and size the rest of her life. Still she made it to the ripe old age of 15. Merlin is just going through his teenage years and I know from experience (just like kids) they go through the leggy gangly look , stop growing in height but may become more solid up until the age of three. Panda, my rescue OES was aprox 60 pounds when I first met him and now is aprox 75 pounds which seems to be more of the ideal weight for him. I wouldn't worry about your boy as the little girl pup (coming from her background) probably did not have the best start in life, nor did her mother which will effect her. Your boy probably does seem so big compared to her but as BritPresSyd mentioned perhaps a call to your breeder to ask about the grandparents are in order. Good Luck! Marianne and the boys |
| Marianne,
want to switch for a weekend? I'll send Carl up to Canada and you can send Merlin down to PA. It'll be like a foreign sheepdog exchange program. They will of course have to write a report about it afterwords! |
Hannah wrote: I wish there was a mini OES. They would stay puppy size forever.
The only problem is, I would have to have 15 or 20 of them.!!!!!! It would be great though. There is the Coton De Tulear. They look like a mini oes, and I have heard their personalities are similar, in a smaller package. |
| Barney is 4½ months and weighed in at the vet's at 50 lbs. I expect he'll wind up around 100+ |
| I'm not worried about him being 100 lbs really...My wife and I were aware that they can get over 100 lbs, so we took some extra time to try to find a pup that had small parents.
He's the sweatest dog I've ever owned, so if he does wind up being 100 lbs I don't see an issue. He's still a great dog if he gets that big it's just more to love. My wife just grew up with little dogs (collie shelties) and I grew up with Chows, so as you can imagie we had the big dog vs. little dog "discussion"  finally we compromised on a sheepie if we could find a small one. Now it looks like I'll get my sheepie AND my big dog lol |
| I think the size varies so greatly because the breeds that created the oes vary so much. You'd think by now they would breed true to type in regards to size.... most breeds do after several generations. OES is a relatively young breed though, despite it's name. |
Quote: Barney is 4½ months and weighed in at the vet's at 50 lbs.
WOW
What a big boy you have. Do you have any recent pics? |
| Hi,
I found this an interesting post as seems just like uprights they come in various sizes. My sister who stand a diminutive 5 ft tall married a fellow that was 6'6!!! One of her sons now stands at 6'4 and is barely out of his teens the other son whom is a few years younger takes after my sis. Maxmm- I would love to trade Merlin with your Carl for foreign exchange..ha ha! Just like that show Trading Spouses...would be nice to get 50,000 on top of it...kibbles for life!! |
| For 50,000 he'd be there in a heartbeat!! I'll pack his blanket and toothbrush. |
| "Coton De Tulear" - I've never heard of that one! My goodness! |
| Yep, check it out, they really do look like mini sheepies!
http://www.dogs-in-canada.com/breeds/sh ... 13384.html http://www.coton.ca/about/photos.htm |
| Mini-sheepies!!! That is too hilarious! I love the one pic, where the he's got his little head perked- you just know he's looking for trouble.
Karen |
| They are CUTE! I saw some Havanese at a show with gray and white markings and thought they were pretty close to "Teacup Sheepies", but these guys are adorable...let's see....I think I'll need about 10 for each OES......so I'll need 30 now 40 in a few months....yup...that'll do! : ) |
| Folks,
I've researched both the Coton and the OES, and from what I can tell, you made the right choice! While Cotons have similar personality traits, they run about $3K each! |
| 100 lbs? How wonderful! |
| 3k....each?! WOW!! I may have to re-think my 30 or 40 of them! LOL!
Cathy |
Willowsprite wrote: There is the Coton De Tulear. They look like a mini oes, and I have heard their personalities are similar, in a smaller package.
I've seen those! They are precious! I want my big fluffy though - I can't wait! I haven't seen them but very recently though - are they a new breed (or very rare) - or did I just skip over that section for too many years? |
| They have only recently been accepted for registration within the CKC. I don't know about the AKC. |
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