anyone else have an oes with a pink nose????
Odey, the shelter and all-knowing internet tell me, is a lethal white. Excuse my explanation if you know this, but until I met Odey, I did not. Lethal white is when, during mating, two merles are mixed. The result is a portion of the litter suffers vision and/or hearing loss. This comes from lack of potassium in the cells when they develop. Potassium also affects pigmentation. Hence, lethal white. Anyway, Odey has a pink nose (Wilbur the pig kind of pink). He does have a spot of black on the bottom, but for all purposes, his nose and eye area are pink. He also has blue eyes. Question - I was told I have to protect Odey from the sun. This makes sense to me. What does not make sense is that nobody so far can tell me how to do that. He's not much of the hat-wearing sort, and I'm sort of thinking along the lines of Waterbabies sunstick. I figure it's made for babies, but I know that what isn't poison for people can be horrible for dogs. Besides keeping him in during peak sun hours, does anybody have any suggestions or perhaps know what kind of sunscreen may be safe if he licks it off? Thanks for your help yet again!! |
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| How old is he? Sometimes the noses don't turn all the way right away.
What kind of dog do they think he is? I'm assuming he's a mix since there really aren't merle OES. Lethal white is usually a term used in describing horses. I've never heard it used in OES. Here's a pretty good explanation of "lethal white" for anyone else wondering (like I was): http://www.lethalwhites.com/lethalwhite.html |
| hmm even though its hard to tell from a single photo. looking at him I suspect he may more likely be the result of a cross between a white other breed and an OES. he has quite a snippy muzzle. when you say his eyes are pink I assume you mean he has no pigmentation around the eyes (eyeliner as it were?) that isn't that unusual alone. Since OES have no merles like Jill said, its more likely a case of a cross or just poor pigmentation - which can show up later.
That said some sun protection can't hurt - check Darcy's postings I think she has tried a number of sunscreens maybe she will add something here as well. |
| Thanks for the responses. His mom is Australian shepherd and Dad is sheepdog mix. (his dad is also his brother. Yes, we have problems) I can try to upload pix of his parents. The merle, I'm told is from the shepherd. Odey was rescued, along with his litter, from a family who (I think) couldn't afford to get them all the proper medical attention. They had about 11 dogs on a great deal of land. The dogs lived outside, and when it got bitter cold this winter, the owners didn't take them in. That's when the rescue came. We got him from a foster family. Odey's litter had 9. So, they had about 20 dogs. He and one brother have problems.
I didn't know it may take awhile for the nose to turn. Odey is four-months-old. I looked at many of the pictures of oes on this site, and didn't see any noses that look like our nose. Even the pups seem to have black noses. Maybe I just didn't look long enough! Thank you all for your input. Now off to surf for sunscreen. Hope you all have a great day. |
| If anyone is interested in what type of dog Odey is, I posted pictures of his parents on the "first other pets" gallery. The shelter told me he is oes and Australian shepherd. Dad looks very sheepie, as mom seems smaller. Her face does seem more "snippy", as Kerry indicated.
I hope I posted them where I should. I'm still pretty new here, and am trying to find my way around the site. Thanks for looking. |
Odysseuspaws wrote: Thanks for the responses. His mom is Australian shepherd and Dad is sheepdog mix. (his dad is also his brother. Yes, we have problems).
Mind boggling. A full brother? If so and mom is a purebred Aussie, that means he's 75% Aussie and, yes, they do have problems if you breed merle to merle - you can and often do end up with the deafness and blindness you see in him. We don't have lethal whites in OES, though too much whitefactoring (not the same as lethal white or merle) is not necessarily desirable. There is a lot of Aussie info on the web related to lethal whites. You can start with http://www.ashgi.org/articles/color_white_fright.htm Kristine |
| Any chance we could have a few more pics of Odey?
I'd be especially interested in seeing pics that include the nose that are separated by time -- looking to see if the nose has filled in at all. Many sheepie's noses don't fill in completely for up to 18 months or maybe even 2 years (I'm not sure.... I forget!). So while I see pigment on the bottom half of the nose, which I take to be a good sign that the nose will fill in, I'm not positive about that either. Sooooo, more pics please! |
Odysseuspaws wrote: Thanks for the responses. His mom is Australian shepherd and Dad is sheepdog mix. (his dad is also his brother. Yes, we have problems)
Well I am impressed - the first thing I thought of when I saw im was pale Aussie - and since Kristine's math is never far off I guess I was 75% correct  |
| Chris Christensen makes a product called "Ice on Ice"; its a detangling spray. However, it ALSO acts as sunscreen, offering UV protection from the sun. I use it on my girls snouts as you can see pink pretty easily through the hair there.
You can Google C.C. or check online at Cherrybrook.com. LOTS of places carry it online, but I've yet to find any in my area that carry it in their stores. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: Chris Christensen makes a product called "Ice on Ice"; its a detangling spray. However, it ALSO acts as sunscreen, offering UV protection from the sun. I use it on my girls snouts as you can see pink pretty easily through the hair there.
You can Google C.C. or check online at Cherrybrook.com. LOTS of places carry it online, but I've yet to find any in my area that carry it in their stores. I think that is only for the hair - not the skin |
kerry wrote: Odysseuspaws wrote: Thanks for the responses. His mom is Australian shepherd and Dad is sheepdog mix. (his dad is also his brother. Yes, we have problems) Well I am impressed - the first thing I thought of when I saw im was pale Aussie - and since Kristine's math is never far off I guess I was 75% correct 
Having since seen pics of mom and dad (thanks for sharing - very cute), I can see my numbers are actually off, though the double merle gene is still the most logical explanation for vision + hearing impairment combined. However, you'd be hard-pressed to detect any distinct breed in either parent. It doesn't seem too farfetched that mom does indeed have some aussie in her because the puppy looks more aussie than she does, which could make sense if she was bred to her son. And though you can't really tell to look at her, she could be Mm and her son as well, so when bred together you'd get roughly 25% of the puppies who are double (MM) merles. But who knows? Kristine |
| I would use human baby sunblock.
The hard part will be keeping him from licking. 
When I was growing up we had a cremello horse - white coat, light blue eyes and very pale pink skin. We limited his sun time - hard as he was pastured - and also tried to apply sunblock. Thankfully, he lived with 2 dark horses, so they usually hit the loafing shed when the sun angle was up there.  |
| Please excuse my ignorance, but could you tell me what merle means. I know you are all rolling your eyes. sorry. |
MING wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but could you tell me what merle means. I know you are all rolling your eyes. sorry.
Wikipedia has a nice explanation with pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_(coat_colour_in_dogs) As you can see, it doesn't really apply to sheepdogs. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: MING wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but could you tell me what merle means. I know you are all rolling your eyes. sorry. Wikipedia has a nice explanation with pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_(coat_colour_in_dogs) As you can see, it doesn't really apply to sheepdogs. Yeah and to confuse things justa tad - merle is in our standard - who knows if we ever had any or it was a bad choice of words in the 1880's? |
| Thanks for the explanation Was especially impressed with the explanation 'turdus'. Hmmm...has a whole other meaning over here!!! |
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