OES activities
Agility Obedience (formal) Rally - O Herding Tracking Shutzhund (  )
Earth dog (hey you never know) Fly Ball Dock Diving Disc Dog Weight pulling Carting Scootering Biking Other? |
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kerry wrote: Oh cool! Agility - YES Obedience (formal) - YES Rally - YES Herding - YES Tracking - YES, though on my own, so who knows if we'll ever "get it" Shutzhund ( ) - bwahahaha (yeah,take that as a no)Earth dog (hey you never know) Che would if he could. But no. Fly Ball - No, not enough ball drive or patience. OES have done this though. Dock Diving - nope Disc Dog - nope Weight pulling - nope Carting - nope Scootering - nope Biking - nope Other? Skikjoring - Yes, but not competitively Freestyle/dancing - nope backpacking - nope water work - nope |
| When I started the list, I started with backpackinga nd then thought - Oh AKC first, I can't believe I forgot backpacking !!!
Please consider it and any other suggestions as on the list  |
kerry wrote: When I started the list, I started with backpackinga nd then thought - Oh AKC first, I can't believe I forgot backpacking !!!
Please consider it and any other suggestions as on the list I've done backpacking, just not with my OES. I used to go with a friend who has malamutes and would borrow one of his dogs as it really wasn't advisable to bring mine since they were considered lunch by his bitch 
I thought about doing it will Belle, and vet and I have thought about asking the WI OES club to institute backpacking and carting titling borrowed from one of the working breed clubs - Dawn shared some of what the Sammys do. Maybe we'll put that back on the agenda this year. As soon as winter is officially over and we all start to feel human again. Kristine |
| Agility - YES - just learning
Obedience (formal) - YES Rally - YES Herding - YES Tracking - NO Shutzhund ( ) - No
Earth dog (hey you never know) No Fly Ball - Yes - classes Dock Diving - No Disc Dog - No Weight pulling - YES Carting - Yes Scootering - yes - scares me though, I'll stick to a cart Biking - NO - but only for lack of equipment to be safe Other? Skijoring - No Freestyle/dancing - No backpacking - Yes water work - LOL - not intentionally |
| I should find another thread to "vent" about this, but the shutzhund part reminded me of obedience class last night.
I picked up a nasty cold so I'm really dragging and the only reason I went to class last night is because I have Sybil entered in rally coming up. Regular instructor was out. I came in at my usual last minute because getting out of work on time on a Monday requires an act of God, just to discover I had forgotten Sybil's collar so I made a make-shift slip-lead of sorts out of her thin leather obed lead. So already kind of cranky and out of sorts. The person who was taking over class had a big dobe of her own. Now, I'm partial to the breed. A nice working dobe is a gorgeous sight. Introductions were made and then she spent the remainder of the class telling us that she does shutzhund training, not AKC, making it perfectly clear that it was so horribly beneath her that she could barely deign to contemplate why anyone would bother  I guess the fact that her dobe's ears were uncropped should have been a clue.
Anyway, in the beginning she had us working on attention, always a good thing, and then used her dobe as an example - he was in a down stay a good ways from the class. She pointed out that his eyes never leave her. Well, I beg to differ and maybe she needs glasses and/or he was watching her out of the corner of his eye, but his eyes never left Sybil! Thankfully he is welltrained, but we kept our distance. Bottomline, even though I've heard really good things about shutzhund training and the amount of drive they work into their heeling, for instance, she was so condescending I just tuned her out and did my own thing. If I hadn't felt like regurgitated what-ever the cat drug in, I might have made more of an effort, but I was too cranky to trust myself not to blow up at her. Are they all that into themselves?
Kristine |
Sorry about the nasty cold part. I will probably get it as well - my peds client is sick with it too. I'm sure she'll share the love!! 
My only shutzhund experience is with others who do it, not the instructors. I do know it is offered near me, but I don't know those individuals. The one I was around was a fellow weight puller. Kevin has 2 awesome bullies and they are SWEET! Very focused and Zobiana the bitch is such a daddy's girl. I was talking with Kevin this weekend at the weight pull. They had to miss the Sunday pull as they had shutzhund class. He really liked it, and we talked a bit. He feels it has helped his 2 dogs and they have a better team relationship. I do know that they work better now, are much more focused (in a good way) and are more people oriented since he started this. I have babysat (held them between pulls) at events, and they are super dogs and they worship him. Keven is an easygoing guy and a good trainer, so maybe the difference is the human on the end of the leash!  |
| Yes.
Okay maybe I need to add more. From my limited experience (and even though I really like all the Shutzhund people I know) they are that - well conceited - about the training level they do and how it is above and beyond normal AKC. (Its that kind of confidence in the dog and the team which is why I think Dan is leaning toward Shutzhund obedience with B.) BUT, look at a lot of the "obedience class" people , or the normal novice who enters rally (don't know about formal obedience I don't really watch much of it). their dogs can barely heel. They lag, have horrible lines and sit crooked. I have even had instructors who didn't have a good heel on their own dog! Often they focus on teaching rally people how to coax their dog through the course or how to make it look like they have the skill instead of actually teaching the skill (which yes needs lots of boring repetition, but only for a minute or two at a time in the beginning). So yes, my experience is that the normal shutzhund person who has gotten to the level of 2 hours a day in practice and more when they are competing, does assume they can "walk through" a rally competiton and maybe even an AKC obedience competition. But so what? I think it's your cold taking offense
I also think we should have the first OES Shutzhund team Maybe the next puppy - don't tell my breeder :)
SO we have only two active OES on the forum? Well two active owners - I assume Kristine spreads her activities among the dogs |
| Oh, forgot to add:
Sledding/mushing - Yes
Therapy dog- Yes Obedience class demo dog - Yes I'll stop now..... |
| We do conformation and therapy but mostly, they just lay around.
We're actually looking into becoming greeters for the Special Olympics. I have a guy I keep meaning to call and haven't gotten a chance to. They're always looking for nice people and dogs to do it and the OES and Komondor are always big hits with kids. |
| ^^ cool for some reason that reminds me of dog scouts - does anyone participate? |
kerry wrote: So yes, my experience is that the normal shutzhund person who has gotten to the level of 2 hours a day in practice and more when they are competing, does assume they can "walk through" a rally competiton and maybe even an AKC obedience competition. But so what?
I think it's your cold taking offense No, my cold was taking offense at the fact that she was too busy telling us how wonderful her teaching methods are to actually teach! One of my classmates had to step in and run the class.
I think she lost me roughly after she informed us that in shutzhund obedience, you use doodling to teach heeling. Well, duh! That's how you teach heeling, period, regardless of venue. I wanted to ask her for help with my fronts. I finally have dogs who habitually come in nice and straight but they have a tendency to not come in close enough. But after she got into an argument with our resident BC handler off in a corner I decided not to waste my breath or my patience. And then I remembered that I'd already been told how to fix that.
Both of my obed instructors are OTCH level trainers so it's not like they're teaching heeling by braille It just seemed to me that if her methods were so wonderous and different she might have shared a few with us instead of the constant stream of condescension. I'm not proud - I beg, steal and borrow from anyone with good training methods. But she was a complete waste of time. Pity. Just wondering if that's typical.
Kristine |
| the attitude is typical - maybe not the wasteless part. shame.
Hey that is exactly the problem I am having with Morgan - not coming in close enough on the frints. I find it sooo bizarre because normally he has to be touchiong me - sitting on me or otherwise having some sort of bodily contact. ask him for a front and its a good line and sit position - but a head away from me. and when I try to correct it he jumps into heel position 
So its back to eensy little moves to get him in close - I have no patience for this I can tell you that right now
now down stay - that he can enter an endurance contest in  |
kerry wrote: Hey that is exactly the problem I am having with Morgan - not coming in close enough on the frints. I find it sooo bizarre because normally he has to be touchiong me - sitting on me or otherwise having some sort of bodily contact. ask him for a front and its a good line and sit position - but a head away from me. and when I try to correct it he jumps into heel position
So its back to eensy little moves to get him in close - I have no patience for this I can tell you that right now now down stay - that he can enter an endurance contest in The trick, I'm told, and this also gets you a faster front, is to have a toy and as they approach you throw it through your legs (food will also work theoretically if it's big enough for an OES to see it). This teaches them to come barreling in and never knowing if they'll be stopping or going through, they come fast and sit close. In theory. In reality this might be challenging for you with Morgan and let me know how it works for you with B...
Also, if they rock back, that will cause them to end up further back. Pay attention to how he sits and make sure he stops with his front legs and brings his back legs to his front legs and into a "tuck" sit. Che will default to a rock sit if I don't watch him like a hawk. The other part is when you teach them to come in focusing on your face it's just easier for them to sit a bit further back and still look at your face. This was not a problem originally for Belle who was taught with the cookie lure into place method and thought for some time that a front was her nose buried in my crotch.  For obvious reasons, not a practical approach and one that certainly had to go before we started practicing in polite society, not to mention working fronts with the retrieves...
Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: The trick, I'm told, and this also gets you a faster front, is to have a toy and as they approach you throw it through your legs (food will also work theoretically if it's big enough for an OES to see it). This teaches them to come barreling in and never knowing if they'll be stopping or going through, they come fast and sit close. In theory. In reality this might be challenging for you with Morgan and let me know how it works for you with B... Also, if they rock back, that will cause them to end up further back. Pay attention to how he sits and make sure he stops with his front legs and brings his back legs to his front legs and into a "tuck" sit. Che will default to a rock sit if I don't watch him like a hawk. The other part is when you teach them to come in focusing on your face it's just easier for them to sit a bit further back and still look at your face. No rock sit and he is watching my hand for a treat so no face - he just is being stubborn about this one. We aren't trialing till May so I am not too concerned, we'll get it, eventually. Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: kerry wrote: Hey that is exactly the problem I am having with Morgan - not coming in close enough on the frints. I find it sooo bizarre because normally he has to be touchiong me - sitting on me or otherwise having some sort of bodily contact. ask him for a front and its a good line and sit position - but a head away from me. and when I try to correct it he jumps into heel position So its back to eensy little moves to get him in close - I have no patience for this I can tell you that right now now down stay - that he can enter an endurance contest in The trick, I'm told, and this also gets you a faster front, is to have a toy and as they approach you throw it through your legs (food will also work theoretically if it's big enough for an OES to see it). This teaches them to come barreling in and never knowing if they'll be stopping or going through, they come fast and sit close. In theory. So, have you tried this with yours? I see it work great with the little dogs, they actually run through easily. When we were in our Tuesday Novice and up prep class for showing, no one even suggested I try it with an OES! In reality this might be challenging for you with Morgan and let me know how it works for you with B... Also, if they rock back, that will cause them to end up further back. Pay attention to how he sits and make sure he stops with his front legs and brings his back legs to his front legs and into a "tuck" sit. Che will default to a rock sit if I don't watch him like a hawk. The other part is when you teach them to come in focusing on your face it's just easier for them to sit a bit further back and still look at your face. Working the sits and paying attention to get the tuck instead of the rock back is key - trust me. If I can get a 6 year old basset to learn the tuck, it is possible with any breed!! This was not a problem originally for Belle who was taught with the cookie lure into place method and thought for some time that a front was her nose buried in my crotch. For obvious reasons, not a practical approach and one that certainly had to go before we started practicing in polite society, not to mention working fronts with the retrieves... OMG, I almost spit my lunch on this one. I was of course seeing the crotch pounding front - martha does that one! Then the dumbell added - too much in that mental picture. And lunch is Todd's fresh caught sunfish, and that would be a waste... Kristine |
got sheep wrote: The trick, I'm told, and this also gets you a faster front, is to have a toy and as they approach you throw it through your legs (food will also work theoretically if it's big enough for an OES to see it). This teaches them to come barreling in and never knowing if they'll be stopping or going through, they come fast and sit close. In theory.
So, have you tried this with yours? I see it work great with the little dogs, they actually run through easily. When we were in our Tuesday Novice and up prep class for showing, no one even suggested I try it with an OES! Yes. I used it with Mad. The benefits of having comparatively speaking long legs and smaller sheepdogs It does work. Just not with all dogs.
With taller dogs who can catch, you often see handlers using the spitting food method. The dobe in class was clearly taught this way and had a nice, close tuck sit with his long neck arched up the handler's body. Big boy, too. Given my dogs' "ability" to catch falling food I think I need to stay with the smaller ones...
Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: The trick, I'm told, and this also gets you a faster front, is to have a toy and as they approach you throw it through your legs (food will also work theoretically if it's big enough for an OES to see it). This teaches them to come barreling in and never knowing if they'll be stopping or going through, they come fast and sit close. In theory. So, have you tried this with yours? I see it work great with the little dogs, they actually run through easily. When we were in our Tuesday Novice and up prep class for showing, no one even suggested I try it with an OES! Yes. I used it with Mad. The benefits of having comparatively speaking long legs and smaller sheepdogs It does work. Just not with all dogs. With taller dogs who can catch, you often see handlers using the spitting food method. The dobe in class was clearly taught this way and had a nice, close tuck sit with his long neck arched up the handler's body. Big boy, too. Given my dogs' "ability" to catch falling food I think I need to stay with the smaller ones... Kristine Me too. If I spit a treat I can guarantee you it would bounce off his face and land in his chest hair and he would spend the next 5 minutes looking for the piece of treat....... oh yeah, we DID try it and that really is what happened!!! Of course in class too, everyone watching, how embarrassing. Did NOT help further the cause that "wow, those OES are a smart breed"...... |
got sheep wrote: Me too. If I spit a treat I can guarantee you it would bounce off his face and land in his chest hair and he would spend the next 5 minutes looking for the piece of treat.......
oh yeah, we DID try it and that really is what happened!!! Of course in class too, everyone watching, how embarrassing. Did NOT help further the cause that "wow, those OES are a smart breed"......
Yeah, when I put Ms foster in her crate I toss a handfull of cheeseballs inside. Everyone else gathers around and I practice tossing treats at them to catch. Mad and Che have a decent catch rate. The rest are nothing but an embarrassment. They all have different tactics too. Mad and Che are stationary and further back. Belle and Liz crowd forward and if I happen to drop a treat six inches into their mouth, they'll catch it. If not, all bets are off. Mace and Sybil just snap their jaws in succession. About one in 8 times a treat manages to get by I end up picking most of their missed ones out of Mace's coat because the law of nature is that the cookies will end up on the show coat and later in the day some enterprising sibling will decide to rip them out of there
No, I don't think so
Kristine |
| Just a fun note!
We are on our way outside, in Minnesota, to work on our agility course!!! Woohooo!!! I found a section of yard that is dry enough (less muddy) and with thick enough dead grass that we can give it a whirl. I have the full set of 12 weaves - the new 6 could actually be stuck in the ground now. I do need to get wires for them, but they are in a wide enough channel that it shouldn't matter right now. Just going the full 12 will be our new focus.
The four jumps (my Christmas present) and the little walk/frame I made are out there. I need to sugically alter my table, so we are replacing it with one of those plastic dog lounging platforms laid on the grass. It only has about 1-2 inch rise, but we need to work on the automatic down on it more than jumping on it anyway. 
Liver treats in my pocket, and away we go!! |
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