Help for very ITCHY OES
I seek your help in the following.... In october 2004, I adopted a resque OES Kimm, lovely dog, wouldn't miss her for anything  she gets along very well with my other OES male, Semm, nearly 10 years of age, and a Bichon Frise Ollie (13 years). When I took Kimm in, she was in a terrible state. Her legs, paws, belly, ears, and face, especially round her eyes, the skin was inflameted, red, bold, and very, very itch ! She was put on Waldhem Sensitivity Control, and after several, and I mean several visits to the Vet, it turned out to be Cheylliettiela (Walking Dandruff). My other two dogs have it now as well, I have washed the dogs every week, all three of them, sprayed the house, car etc. etc. Put them on antibiotics. Since I have stopped washing them, 4 weeks ago on advice of my Vet, (she says that the mites are long gone, but I am not sure...) the spots are coming back !! And so does the itch, and hotspots !!! Has anyone a tip, how to get my dogs resistance up, Semm and Ollie are "oldies" and starting washing with Defencare isn't a option any more, since their bloodworks came back, both dogs Liver ALKP are much to high, Vet things it is from the Permithrin (Defencare). Please, your help would be very, very, welcome. I do have learned, itch isn't just itch !!!
Thanks for reading, and I hope someone has that tip that can help my dogs. |
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| Hi Noelle,
Is it possible that the mites have infested someplace in your home, or on your property that is reinfecting your dogs, after you finished with the treatment? Or perhaps some where that you take them to walk or exercise? What about a friend or family memebers dog- It sounds to me as if you have a reinfection, but I don't know that much about mites. This is just my experience from a flea infestation several years ago. I would ask your vet if this is a possibility (Try a different vet, if the one you're using is not being helpful) and then how to clear the mites out, or keep from going where they are. Karen |
| I just did a bit of a search and found an interesting link that may be helpful.
http://www.everydaysolutionsrx.com/mang ... C=standard |
| Hi Karen and Wilowsprite,
Thanks that you are out there helping me think about what to do ! Karen wrote about the house being infected, I did spray my house, car, etc. etc. several times, will do it again Dogbeddings are also washed frequently. I took a look at the link Wilowsprite send, thinking in ordering that Anyone out here who has experience with sort of treatment ???
Again, thanks very much, big hugh from Semm, Kimm and Ollie |
| Are they sure of the diagnosis? There are several things that can cause this type of symptom- and I found this website that may offer some help.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index ... /72005.htm I also find alot of good information on the Bearded Collie Club of America Health site (Beacon for Health).....www.beaconforhealth.org - they may have some information that can help you. Good Luck! Kristen |
| Hi Kristen,
To answer your question, I don't now for sure if the Vet has the correct diagnose  wish they would find just something. Sounds horrific doesn't it, but after 3 months seeing your dogs suffer, I wish they would pinpoint the problem so you finally know what you are dealing with here.... As I wrote before, they have found a mite, Cheylietella, but after treating them for 3 months with Defencare shampoo, once weekly !!!!, now my Vet says that these mite's live on the skin, not IN the skin. She now thinks, they are allergic ???? for something. I don't think that because I have never ever had this problem, and things started with the arrivel off Kimm. Meanwhile has my best friend and breeder of both OES, contacted her Vet in Germany, a week ago he has taken bloodsamples from my dogs, and after close examination of the bloodworks this Vet recommands Stronghold. Stronghold works against al sorts of mites, so lets keep our fingers crossed. Still, please keep your tips coming, I am still hoping that someone has that golden tip Found one answer in the link you send Kristen, in well groomed c.q. "washed" frequently dogs, it is difficult to find just that one mite  That would explain something wouldn't it. Thanks Kristen. |
| Noelle, I hope that you and your dogs can soon find some relief! In the meantime, when you do bathe them, perhaps try some oatmeal shampoo or conditioner? Or something else to help relive the itching. If it is an allergy, you would be able to tell fairly quickly if the dog were given an antihistamine for a few days.
Any kind of mange, mites, ringworm, other skin infestations and infections can be very hard to clear up, because they do re infest very easily. Treating the animals and whole home, and maybe even the two leggeds in the house may be the only way to go. I know that when something like this hits a shelter it can be horrible, and take months to totally get rid of, even with extreme cleaning, disinfecting, and medicating animals. Even if you think the problem is gone, be vigilant in cleaning and treating, because if only one mite is left, you'll have more in no time. Please keep us posted! |
| By the way Noelle, I love your avatar! What a beautiful OES |
Hi Willowsprite,
 "Even the two legged ones ones " <vbg> thougt of wearing a fleacollar Just joking.... But people, lets be very carefully with bathing your dogs with anti-flea shampoo, I regret now not to have taking proper caustion. The Vet in German was very direct about it, he asked how my health was, since I bathed the dogs in my bathroom without proper ventilation Thanks for thinking with me, lifts up my spirit . I hope I don't sound to desperate their are worst things in life. I have owned dogs all my life, worked with them, showed them, and do have I might say a lot of experience with dogs. This thing what hit us, drives us all nuts  So I will keep at it, cleaning and apply the Stronghold drops. Will ofcourse keep you posted in how whe are doing. The avatar is my OES male, Semm BEAR, he is lovely with that big drop nose of his ) Thanks for your compliment, grin, it takes a lot of work to keep him looking like this |
| Hi Noelle, Willowsprite and other insect challanged dog owners,
I know the problem you speak of. I suspect it is much more epidemic than we could possiblely imagine. I believe it is related to a wild animal's mite infestation resistant to traditional ivermection injections, weekly bathing, I have used pyrethrins, pinesol/shampoo 1:1 ration, coal tar shampoos, pyrethrin shampoos, Lime-Sulpher dips, conditioners and then oatmeal shampoos with their conditioners that even have perscription anti itch/irritation. I've even rotated revolution back of the neck drops, with Frontline drops, and Ivermectin injections. I have had slow success. I've had the house and the yard professionally sprayed twice, every square inch. I use to consider myself a tree hugger. Nature seems to have found a great power in this pest. Oh, and I personally have some symptoms myself, totally unmentionable. Also, the house is vacuummed twice a week, Mopped with Vinegar solution. All bedding, mine and dogs is washed two times a week after many and I mean many months of daily washing. This is in addition to general housekeeping. I still never and I mean never wear anything twice. Over coats are an exception. I am never comfortable and concerned I will spread "it". I'm all for all professions making a living, however I am sincerely concerned and disappointed that the vet community cann't solve the problem. I have bought all their products and other's suggestions. Finally, I tried the Spray on Frontline, Its not the total solution, however, it may be best. One interesting point is that I dabbed it on a spot on the dog. This spot originally, was left after another dog bit him in a small squabble. At the time, it was small and I thought it was a scar. Since the dab of spray with the q-tip, surprisingly, the round slightly discolored scar of 2mm has migrated over 3-4 mm. Vacuum, vacuum, vacuum. I purchaced 2 new vacuums. I don't advertise for free so write me back if thats important to you. I believe the best type has a water seal/receptical, 2nd is the no bag type. I recommend never, never, never keeping even a slightly filled vacuum bag. Vacuum all entrances used. Wash constantly or discard all rugs, carpets. I hear DE, diatomeatous earth is helpful to put in carpets to physically slice up larval forms of pests that may be in carpet. Sometimes carpet has to stay. Steam clean it and apply DE between vacuuming. I know there's an answer and the pest may be from ferral/wild stressed or struggling animals in our parks/subburbs. Good Luck, Isn't interesting that the parties noting this issue are female. Sincerely, Jane (openminded) |
| I've never actually had any problems with any insect or skin issues with my dogs.... but from working with vets and shelters I know that when things like this get a hold it is extremely hard to get rid of and you're right, vigilance is key. A healthy immune system for the dog is important too, since dogs can and do naturally fight off even pests to a certain degree. Total health, nutrition, cleanliness and observation. |
| This is a stretch, but there's an entomologist at our local university I worked with years ago. He might be able to help you.
http://www.fagerlund.addr.com/ His name is Richard Fagerlund. If there's a nonchemical way to combat this problem, he would be a good person to contact. |
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