Pop quiz #1
Pic #1 
Pic #2 
Pic #3  |
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| aren't they all Sybil? (no longer poor SYbil) |
I am confused  |
| One of them is not Sybil.
I did a double-take myself as I was sorting through pictures this morning. And both bitches belong to me.... 
kristine  |
| is the third one Belle? |
kerry wrote: is the third one Belle?
Nope, but nice try! (keep in mind that Belle never had anything resembling contacts )
KB |
| In all honesty my first reaction was #1 did not belong - but it looks so much like sybil so it must be #2. |
kerry wrote: In all honesty my first reaction was #1 did not belong - but it looks so much like sybil so it must be #2.
Always go with your gut, Kerry. #1 is Sybil's dam, Mad. The rest are Sybil. I grabbed some pictures to scan this morning and thought: "huh? I can't remember buying a pic of Syb on the a-frame..." Well, I didn't
Nice work, good eye. Tough one. The odd thing is they really aren't that much alike. Mad is only dark on one side. On her other side, she looks more like Mace! 
KB |
| she appears to move a little differently - lower center of gravity it looks like. |
kerry wrote: she appears to move a little differently - lower center of gravity it looks like.
Interesting!!! It's probably hard to compare those photos directly, but her dam has better reach and drive. And twice the speed.
Mad's built more like Mace, except Mace is shorter backed. Everything Sybil does is done in a very collected manner because she just KNOWS her insane handler is going to make her slow and turn or do SOMETHING that requires collection. How do I put this politely? Mad never gave a damn what I was doing She was completely obstacle focused and I was truly incidental to the picture in her mind on many occasions. In fact, she once left me flat footed at the startline and ran her own made-up 13-14 obstacle course before she returned to me (didn't coincide with the judge's vision of her course, unfortunately - I should have let her read the course map first, I guess  ) I never got but ten feet past the startline. The judge was doubled up laughing, tears streaming down her face.
Every so often Sybil throws caution to the wind. When she does it always seems to me that she's taking off early. She jumps much rounder than her mother ever did, even at speed. But then Mad was never actually taught to jump, more's the pity. She skimmed the top of everything, jumps, A-frame, she had a low center of gravity on the dogwalk and teeter too, and when she worked sheep she actually crouched I've only seen Sybil do that once.
It kind of warms my heart to see a part of Mad in the little troublemaker. I see it more and more in Mace too. And I'm glad. Kristine |
| darn, I knew the answer!!
Just logged on after being gone all day. |
got sheep wrote: darn, I knew the answer!!
Just logged on after being gone all day. Well, you may have had an unfair advantage
KB |
Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: darn, I knew the answer!! Just logged on after being gone all day. Well, you may have had an unfair advantage KB I suppose.....  |
got sheep wrote: Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: darn, I knew the answer!! Just logged on after being gone all day. Well, you may have had an unfair advantage KB I suppose..... Sad face? It's not like you lost out on anything. Kerry didn't get anything more than a stinkin' "atta, girl!"
KB |
Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: darn, I knew the answer!! Just logged on after being gone all day. Well, you may have had an unfair advantage KB I suppose..... Sad face? It's not like you lost out on anything. Kerry didn't get anything more than a stinkin' "atta, girl!" KB LOL, we are all too competitive. Even prizeless contests get us going!   |
| Hi Kristine, I woud have said the first pic was a different dog, two reasons. 1) the dig looks different. 2) the name at the bottom of the foto. Nice pics though. |
dairymaid wrote: Hi Kristine, I woud have said the first pic was a different dog, two reasons.
1) the dig looks different. 2) the name at the bottom of the foto. Nice pics though. I wondered if anyone would think to look more closely at the verbiage attached to the photos
Nice detective work!!
KB |
| That all looks like so much fun. I tried getting Abbey to crawl up on the benches in the gazebo, but she wouldn't have anything to do with it! |
Mad Dog wrote: Sad face? It's not like you lost out on anything. Kerry didn't get anything more than a stinkin' "atta, girl!" Don't knock braggin rights, Krisitne! Good job Kerry - you go girl! got sheep wrote: LOL, we are all too competitive. Even prizeless contests get us going!
Sad but true. Now I know why we are all friends. This whole exchange made me laugh. |
| Wow Kristine I am jealous of the way Sybil is looking at you on the teeter.
Harry will not even make eye contact with me on the agility course. He is too busy running full speed ahead. He won't even look at me when he is on that darned table unless of course he actually does what he is supposed to there and we can all count the number of times that has happened on one hand. |
SheepieMommy wrote: Wow Kristine I am jealous of the way Sybil is looking at you on the teeter.
As I recall I was doing a front cross. Also, since it was her first trial, I made her hold her contacts (well, can't say that she did that 100%). At this point we're transitioning to an early release. I.e. the second she hits the position I release her so it transitions more into a (sort-of) running contact, though, unlike Belle and Mad who (allegedly) had running contacts, but, you know, rarely hit them
In THEORY, if I DON'T release her early at this point, she should revert to hitting the position and staying like she did in the pic. Which can sometimes come in handy. At this point that may or may not be true. I told Sue just this past week that I felt she was releasing early, but Sue thinks no and that she's releasing on my "good girl!" or whatever yacking I'm doing on the contact, and could I please remember to shut up and just say her release word and get on with it?
Bottomline though she will probably not reliably hold the stationary position in trial, she's NEVER missed a contact, in training or anywhere else. And she can do it without slamming her front into the ground. I can live with that. Kristine |
| [quote="Mad Dog I told Sue just this past week that I felt she was releasing early, but Sue thinks no and that she's releasing on my "good girl!" or whatever yacking I'm doing on the contact, and could I please remember to shut up and just say her release word and get on with it?
Kristine[/quote] francine says I pay her to yell at me too !!
Personally I can't say enough about good foundation training BEFORE you try a trial. |
kerry wrote: francine says I pay her to yell at me too !! Personally I can't say enough about good foundation training BEFORE you try a trial.
Sue's a judge and because you can show to your intructors in agility (but not rally and obedience) she will sometimes catch herself wanting to yell to her students "late!" or whatever when they're competing under her.
As for the foundation stuff before you trial, yes, absolutely, but you are in the rare minority who knows this BEFORE you ever trial you novice A dog. When I RETIRED Belle, she still had no proper foundation. Shucks, I still didn't know exactly what that entailed. It's the relatively rare Novice A person who happens to fall into a really good instructor's class the first time out. We all pretty much struggle in one way or another, even if we find an excellent instructor later in the game like you and Judi both, (and in my case when I'm on my 3rd and 4th dogs!!!! ) Because however you started a dog carries with you.
When stressed, they revert to what they were first taught. Judi knows this. Me too. That's why I put the seminar together. So people can see what the progression SHOULD be like and hopefully avoid some of those pitfalls. Well at least that's the theory.
We all learn along the way. I'm sure there are things I will do differently with new dogs down the line, and some of it may be because of the dog herself since no two dogs are exactly alike. Other times it's because better training methods were developed along the way. Or the challenges changed. A friend of mine did agility with her OES back in the mid-90s when it was still very new. She says they had NO concept of actual handling back then, and that the courses didn't require much of it. Their excellent courses were much like our novice courses when I started Belle, she says, and the novice courses I did with Sybil were more like Belle's open courses only six years earlier. The sport evolves faster than any other I can think of. Kristine |
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