Does Anybody Here Have a Business Geared Toward Kids?

or do you make crafts (toys, blankets, hair bows, etc.) that you sell or donate that could be for children under 13?

do you like old children's books (pre 1985)?

do you shop for your children (12 and under) in thrift stores?

do you buy hand made gifts for your children or grand children?

just wondering because on February 10th, all those things became illegal.

i won't talk about this here if no one is interested. i realize this is a forum for sheepie talk, so i haven't brought it up. i do so now because of the severity of this law, and the drastic effect it will have on both our national economy and our communities.

soooo.... if you are interested, i will continue.
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Is tis that lead issue that was so poorly written?
ahhhh! didn't i know that you in particular would be on top of this :wink:

yes, it is indeed!

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09120.html
As I tell my children - "I know all" :? :?

Actually I heard about it in relation to libraries.

from your link it looks like it will be handled administratively and ther ereally isn't a problem unless someone is knowungly using a lead contaminated product in their process. I would hope we all can agree that would not be a good thing to be doing.
Yeah, my mil had been keeping an eye on that. I don't really buy any of the stuff you listed, but we wondered what it would mean for several ebay sellers.
actually,
each states Attorney General has the ability and duty to enforce this.
fines are in the six figure range and jail terms are among the penalties as well.

EVERY retailer that has ANY product for children under 13 (clothes, shoes, games, furniture, bikes etc.) is at risk.

to test their current stock would cost thousands of dollars. some are just getting rid of their stock instead - because it's illegal to GIVE it away.

unless the products are TESTED they must not be sold.
only those in their "natural" state are truly okay.

http://cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/smbus/sbguide.pdf
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Question 15: How can I determine if something has lead in it before I sell it?
Resellers, in particular, need to make sound business decisions about the products they sell. As a practical matter, you must either:

Test the product;

Refuse to accept or sell the product, which will mean disposing of it if you already have it in your inventory;

Use your best judgment based on your knowledge of the product; or,

Contact the manufacturer about questionable products.

It would make sense to test, rather than discard, any suspect children’s products that have a high resale value. You may want to hire a qualified, trained person in your area who can quickly screen all of your suspect products with a handheld device called an X‐Ray Fluorescence (XRF) machine.


these are okay...

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Not impose penalties against anyone for making, importing, distributing, or selling

* a children’s product to the extent that it is made of certain natural materials (pdf), such as wood, cotton, wool, or certain metals and alloys which the Commission has recognized rarely, if ever, contain lead;
* an ordinary children’s book printed after 1985; or
* dyed or undyed textiles (not including leather, vinyl or PVC) and non-metallic thread and trim used in children’s apparel and other fabric products, such as baby blankets.


these are are all the questionable products...

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A children’s product is one designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger. Toys, clothes, furniture, books, jewelry, blankets, games, CDs/DVDs, strollers, and footwear may all be considered children’s products.
In determining whether a consumer product is “intended primarily” for a child 12 years of age or younger, the following factors will be considered:

A statement by the manufacturer about the intended use of the product, including a label on the product, if such statement is reasonable.

Whether the product is represented in its packaging, display, promotion or advertising as appropriate for use by children 12 years of age or younger.

Whether the product is commonly recognized by consumers as being intended for use by a child 12 years of age or younger.
for those of you that donate...

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Question 13: I donate the children’s products that I make to local charities and hospitals. Can I continue to send them my handmade donations?
Yes, you can make and donate children’s products to local charities and hospitals, if they are made of exempted materials or materials that you feel confident do not contain lead (see Table B). Children’s products made of yarn, dyed or undyed fabrics and natural materials such as untreated wood or cotton do not contain lead at levels sufficient to exceed the new lead limits.
If your products are made for children 12 and under, they will need to be third‐party tested if you use paint or a similar surface coating. Products for children under 3 will need to be tested to the small parts standard if you create a product (such as a toy, puzzle or doll) that could break into small pieces when used, dropped or otherwise handled by a child.
Avoid making and donating children’s products with soft vinyl or plastic, buttons or zipper pulls, or metal jewelry or embellishment or other pieces that may exceed the lead or phthalates limits.
My god...
what gets me is the double talk.

yes of course you may.... TEST - third party, by the way.

nobody wants dangerous levels of lead in a child's product that has the potential to be swallowed -- and we as parents don't even KNOW.

and of course, this CPSIA swept the House due to the IMPORTS that weren't regulated properly - we in the US were ALWAYS regulated as to lead limits and other child safety measures.

now, because of this, Grandma can't sew up some dolls and give them to hospitals?

ALL CHILDREN'S BOOKS PRINTED 1984 and before must not be sold or loaned in libraries?

you can make Children's clothes to sell or donate (cotton or some other material in its natural state), but they CAN'T BUTTONS OR ZIPPERS?

this is a devastating law that puts everyone at risk, including children.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... eban_N.htm
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killing off a multimillion-dollar industry that was thriving despite the recession.
Like I said: "OMG..."

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Passed by Congress after a series of reports concerning toys made in China with lead, the law bans sale of products aimed at children if they contain more than 600 parts per million of lead, says Joseph Martyak, chief of staff to the acting chairman of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.

Lead is found in steel and other metal alloys in the frame, motor and multiple other parts, said Paul Vitrano, general counsel for the Motorcycle Industry Council. The lead strengthens the metals and resists corrosion.

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Children appeared perplexed by the ban.

"Are you kidding? This is silly," says Zack Bartell, 12, who was taking a dirt-bike riding lesson at School for Dirt's track next to Kawasaki Motors' U.S. headquarters here.
"There's no way I'm going to stick a motorcycle part in my mouth."

Out of the mouths of babes.
this law is effecting EVERY SINGLE INDUSTRY large and small.

absolutely safe products are being destroyed. this is a scary time for the US and nobody seems to know about it (or care).


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I am very sad to announce the closing of Jen Lynn Designs as of 2/10/09. I have really put my heart into this business and will miss it. However, the CPSIA regulations that take affect today require expensive product testing that, as a small producer, I simply can not afford.


this outlawed lady made hair bows.
http://www.jenlynndesignshairbows.com/catalog/


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He expects the ordeal to cost him $250,000 in lost sales and penalties from the retailer.

"We're toast," Hoyt said. "There's nothing that's going to help me."

http://www.latimes.com/business/persona ... 1543.story


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There's a big exception though. Jennifer Baker, library director with the St. Helena Public Library in Napa Valley, said the law still puts off limits to children rare, older books. She said one library at which she worked kept a collection of Mother Goose books from the early 1900s, while others retain original copies of old classics, like those from the Nancy Drew or Tom Swift series, she said. I guess they'll have to wait til they're adults to enjoy the books.

http://lisnews.org/lead_law_exemption_g ... aries_hook


you can always write your Congress and tell them the err of their ways.
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

My Congressman, Joe Pitts is cosponsoring a bill that can get a handle on this. H.R.968

As Americans sleep, the government is taking away their Dream.
Count me in as one of the Americans who really doesn't know much about the bill. I completely appreciate your obvious passion and from what I can tell, it does look like absolute overkill.

Glad your congressman is making an attempt to help.

Obviously, nobody thinks a 12 year old is going to put the motorcycle parts in his mouth. :roll: But certainly the 1 year old will put things in his mouth that can (and has) hurt him.

It's those "absolutely safe" products and the producers of such that are unfairly maligned, and I hope they find relief. Unfortunately, we know all too well that the other end of this is toys, books and other products for children that are causing long-term health problems and we have done nothing to fix it.

That said, my hope is that they find some middle ground and do not eliminate it altogether. It's been the mindset that "the market forces" will manage these things for too long, and we see where that got us.
This is just stupendously nutty.

I read books until they came out of my ears, and I likely put 99% of them in my mouth. I chewed pencils coated with lead paint. I know that I ate Boraxo once, maybe all laundry detergents should be mandated to contain no harmful chemicals when ingested. (Yes, my parents were both prematurely grey. Why do you ask?)

The problem was with a few certain imports and this kind of draconian, heavy-handed approach to solving relatively smallish problems is at the heart of the issue.

Should they look at slowing the national speed limit to under 40 MPH on limited access highways and 20MPH on any other roadway? This would save 10s of thousands of lives every year.

Maybe they should prohibit all children at all times from riding in any vehicle other than a state-inspected school bus. Oh wait, they don't even require seat-belts in school buses. That makes sense.

Of course it would be much safer if no child was allowed to ride a bicycle, and certainly there have to be more injuries from children falling off their beds than from lead in children's books.

Maybe if the government would just do its job and prevent dangerous articles from entering our country -or had done so in the past- it wouldn't be looking to shift the responsibility down to the single most inefficient spot possible.

rdf wrote:
That said, my hope is that they find some middle ground and do not eliminate it altogether. It's been the mindset that "the market forces" will manage these things for too long, and we see where that got us.
You're right -- but the reason they can't work is because the manufacturers are outside the reach of liability, and the government didn't step in appropriately. The result is this.
Yes, the government didn't step in appropriately, and now they're going whole-hog.

My theory is the same along the lines of any other proposal/bill...they start out with the most ridiculous, over the top, hyper-inflated solution, and when everybody gets up in arms they "compromise" and come out with a solution most can live with.
the CPSIA is not a proposal/bill - it is Federal Law implemented as of February 10th 2009.

it was passed in Congress in August 2008, supported with a 430 - 1 vote.

the bill that i mentioned (H.R. 968) has a whooping 5 supporters. a bill means nothing without support. it's just somebody's idea.

in the meantime, business, charities, work from home moms, libraries, etc. suffer.

loss of jobs and industry, loss of good children's products - yeah, i'm sort of passionate about it.

there have been laws in place to guide manufacturer's of children's products here in the US for a LONG time.

what this legislation will do (and is doing) is wipe out the good US manufacturers and leave us with the ones we tried to outlaw.
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