how sad is this nice breeder!! anyone in ga
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| I have never seen mats like that. I contacted GARD. They said some were the size of footballs!!!
The girls are approx. 4 yrs old. All three have been shaved down and are scheduled for neutering this week. |
"Breeder". riiiiiiight.
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rdf wrote: "Breeder". riiiiiiight.
Geesh wonder if there are any pups dumped somewhere  |
| Hon, please be careful how you word things. I am a breeder. A dog is not a breeder. A bitch who has a litter would be considered a brood bitch, and she is the dam of that litter. A dog (male) would be considered a stud dog and he is the sire of a litter (or puppies).
A breeder is the human being who (usually  ) plans the litters and so on.
I hear rescue people and the likes use this term the way you have periodically and I don't know whether to laugh or track down the person who started using this to refer to dogs who have produced puppies and swat them upside the head.  I know you're only repeating it the way you've heard it used, but it really is a silly use of the term invented by people who clearly didn't know the first thing about breeding dogs.
When I read your topic line I honestly thoughT there was some unfortunate breeder in dire straits down your way and I do mean a human being
OK, off my preachy little soap box now. Mats look par for the course. Nita's seen worse  I'm sure they're so happy to be shaved down now (!!) and I hope they find great homes.
Best, Kristine |
| I think the original post WAS about a breeder person. If you read the listing, it says he was dropped off by a breeder who is moving.
So sad for this guy and the two girls - I hope they can find good homes quickly. |
Drezzie's Mom wrote: I think the original post WAS about a breeder person. If you read the listing, it says he was dropped off by a breeder who is moving.
So sad for this guy and the two girls - I hope they can find good homes quickly. How sad is this nice breeder? So we should be sympathetic to the sad, nice breeder who had to give up his dogs?
Suzptcruise can clarify if that's what she actually meant, though personally I'm not planning on losing any sleep over the nice, sad breeder. And I'm sure as heck not volunteering to shave him down  
The poor dog has my sympathy, of course. Kristine |
| I understand what you mean, but I also understand the OP and don't think it's worth making a case over. The sad part is what the "breeder" (byb/puppy mill owner) did to these dogs. The rest just doesn't matter. Hopefully there are some angels close by who will help them ASAP. |
rdf wrote: I understand what you mean, but I also understand the OP and don't think it's worth making a case over. The sad part is what the "breeder" (byb/puppy mill owner) did to these dogs. The rest just doesn't matter. Hopefully there are some angels close by who will help them ASAP.
Communication matters. The subject seriously left me wondering if some poor breeder in GA (and by that I mean a decent breeder, i.e. someone I and/or the rest of the forum for that matter would have reason to care about), had something horrible happen to them. A housefire? Flooded out? Death in the family? I'm quickly going through a mental list (OK, so it's a short one ) of OES people I know in GA and wondering what horrible thing has happened to someone and....
And then it turns out it's actually good news. For the dogs who were surrendered and have a shot at a better life. And, yes, I know it wasn't intentionally misleading. But the effect is the same, so why not try to avoid that in the future? Kristine |
| Umm... now about the dogs
Are these dogs safe with the shelter or in danger of being euthanized? |
Can't imagine how they were treated if the dog(s) look like that  Poor thing probably never got morning kisses and rubs which boggles me how anyone could not do that w/their dogs  |
| Jaci - if you shave them and put the money into spaying and neutering them, you're generally not planning on killing them
GA shelters are notoriously hard for out of state rescues to work with, so the best that we can do is send potential adopters their way. Fortunately as we see from the rescue topic there are people waiting for rescue dogs. Unfortunately due to those same strict guidelines they will generally only adopt to people within the state. I believe we've been down this road before with the head tilt girl? Kristine |
| I've forwarded the petfinder link to our local rescue person. I don't think we have any foster homes available right now, especially not for 3 (if they still have both females).
Makes me wonder. The so-called breeder I got Tonks and Luna from was here in GA, with one male and two females. For all i know; this is common practice for BYBs. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: Makes me wonder. The so-called breeder I got Tonks and Luna from was here in GA, with one male and two females. For all i know; this is common practice for BYBs.
The bitches are young enough that they could still have several more litters and the male is still in his prime as well, so perhaps some BYB who thought he could make some extra money and figured out that it isn't as easy as it seems. Or someone who lost their job and had to move or...The possibilties are endless. We've gotten in three at a time. Same situation, in fact. Two three year old bitches and a two year old male who supposedly were seized from a breeder. Only the one bitch had been bred. We spayed and neutered them, placed one easily within a week (temperament to die for) The other two were so fearful and needed so much work we had to split them up since it was too much for a single foster home, so I took the girl and someone else took the male and splitting them up probably actually worked out better because it got them each into a sensible pack which they could learn from rather than clinging to each other. Plus it's much easier to find foster homes for one at a time. If you can think of someone, please give it a try. If the shelter is agreeable. More and more they place dogs themselves now, but it would be nice if they knew there was a safety net for the dogs just in case. Who does rescue in GA by the way? Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: Who does rescue in GA by the way? Kristine Thats not always clear to me; sometimes we seem to fall under Dixie and sometimes South East. But a woman named Fiona does alot of coordinating in the Atlanta area, and thats who I know. I've done some transport for her, and I know she's counting the days until we move into our new house, so we can start taking fosters as well. Fiona had joined here earlier last year, and she posts on the rare occasion as "Fiona". |
Mad Dog wrote: GA shelters are notoriously hard for out of state rescues to work with, so the best that we can do is send potential adopters their way. Fortunately as we see from the rescue topic there are people waiting for rescue dogs. Unfortunately due to those same strict guidelines they will generally only adopt to people within the state.
I believe we've been down this road before with the head tilt girl? Kristine That was my thought.... I had a couple drive to GA from NC to adopt a dog (they called the shelter 30 miles away to let them know they were almost there, so they knew they were coming) Right before they got there an all breed rescue pulled the dog BUT, called me and said the family could have the dog for 450.
(not saying that is the same place or case) BUT, ac explained to me the state laws are very particular with keeping rescue dogs under a GA 501c3. Never had that problem with any other state! |
| i guess i should have watched how i word things .. i can be a wise butt.. i just was so sad and mad when i saw the coats of the dog .. i should not post my thoughts next time ,,they might be a great breeder who just do not know how to groom a oes.. |
suzptcruise wrote: i guess i should have watched how i word things .. i can be a wise butt.. i just was so sad and mad when i saw the coats of the dog .. i should not post my thoughts next time ,,they might be a great breeder who just do not know how to groom a oes..
It's great that you posted this exactly where it has the potential to have the most impact. Thank you! As for the terminology, I first heard it used when a good friend of mine whom I work closely with in rescue locally casually referred to some dog as a "breeder". Now, apart from her, keep in mind that the remainder of the active WI rescue volunteers are all breeders. I was stunned. "What the heck are you talking about?? Why would we rescue a breeder??? We don't place people!!!" (and I'm sure as heck not fostering, let alone potty training some stranger!!! )
She told me it's a common term used in rescue & shelter circles (apparently), and beyond, for any dog who has been bred. I really did think something bad had happened to a person. But once the connection dawned on me I absolutely knew you didn't mean it that way and I kind of giggled with relief. Anyway, yes, his coat looks deplorable. I can't imagine how happy he must feel to be shaved down and free of that mess. I hope he gets a great home. Thanks for bringing him to everyone's attention. Hopefully there are some experienced OES people in GA who've been looking to adopt. Kristine |
| Lots of dogs are pulled from GA every day. Yes some of the shelters are horrible to work with There is a wonderful group known as Saving Georgia Dogs. I have actually pulled a dog from Coweta Shelter with the help of friends. I really think the OP meant How sad can someone be that gave up a dog is such bad shape....They did not care enough about the dog to keep it nice . I think if it were a reputable breeder someone else in the "business" would have stepped up Just my two cents. I don't breed and really am out of that loop How horrible these dogs must feel. I am not here to debate If a rescue needs help in getting these dogs I will try and help. I do have some contacts. Hope they find wonderful homes. |
4dognight wrote: If a rescue needs help in getting these dogs I will try and help. I do have some contacts. Hope they find wonderful homes.
That's great, Cindy. But long term what the breed really needs is their own rescue within the state. And it's a state with few OES people, and fewer still serious breeders to turn to for back-up. (The two legged kind, that is )
Oh, Allison.... ???: lol:
And, Kathy - yes, I've heard a number of stories along the lines of what you describe and talked to several (other) breed rescues in the SE who no longer even try to pull their own dogs from GA due to being given the run around so many times. Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: Oh, Allison.... ???: lol:
Kristine that would be me! 
Okay I back-and-forth'd emails with Fiona last night, and its as I expected. Sounds like we have "no room at the inn" so to speak. We have 2 fosters waiting for homes currently and a third who's foster family have officially"failed fostering" and are keeping their foster! (yay!) But this sheepie's info has been forwarded up the chain of commandall the same; fingers crossed someone can think of a person that can take this boy (and possibly two girls?). |
| States they are no kill(if there is such a thing especially in GA) I saw Baa Baa but not the females?? I also saw a giant Schnauzer...I have always wanted one but will lose my happy home if one more dog comes through crazy acres door. Yes there needs to be more breed specific rescues more so now, dogs are falling from the sky (wish that giant schnauzer would fall through here ) |
Mad Dog wrote: 4dognight wrote: If a rescue needs help in getting these dogs I will try and help. I do have some contacts. Hope they find wonderful homes. That's great, Cindy. But long term what the breed really needs is their own rescue within the state. And it's a state with few OES people, and fewer still serious breeders to turn to for back-up. (The two legged kind, that is ) Oh, Allison.... ???: lol: Kristine OESRNSE covers part of GA and Dixie has the other part. We do have several dogs coming in right now, and as always, we are short of fosters.  GA can be a difficult area for Rescues. There rules are so strict about adopting. Some of the shelters will not allow us to "adopt" from them, because we place out of state. |
Betsy wrote: OESRNSE covers part of GA and Dixie has the other part. An easy explanation for why I wasn't sure who had Georgia! thanks Betsy! |
| Poor thing, looks so sad! |
| OH...MY, the only post I can make is this sounds like we're dealing wth a slab of beef. My heart aches for these dogs...I actually ache for these wonderful pets. |
| Any news on these sheepies.?? Yes we need breed rescues in all of GA. (well all states would be wonderful and mix rescues too)That would make everything so much easier. This a state that gasses and does heart sticks on many dogs. Hopefully someone will open their home to these three. |
| Cindy, GARD is a purportedly a no-kill shelter, so though obviously the dogs need homes - the boy is still up there, nothing on the girls yet - they don't appear to be at risk of being gassed or worse.
Here's a bit from the organization's website: Georgia Animal Rescue and Defence, Inc. is a non-profit, 501(c)3 / 509(a)2 licensed animal shelter located in Pembroke, GA and serves Bryan County and outlying areas. GARD was founded by, and is now directed by Joy Bohannon, JoAnne Bohannon and Philip Rutherford. Having recently relocated here from Vermont, where low-cost spay/neuter clinics have been in existence for years and euthanasia is no longer a necessity in animal population control, we became aware of the outstanding need in this area by the over abundance of feral and homeless domestic animals. We initiated efforts to feed, vet, and place numerous animals in our immediate locale. Our endeavors have expanded in response to the overwhelming needs of the homeless and neglected, and have necessitated our relocating to a property suited to the establishment of a no-kill shelter which will eventually host a low-cost spay/neuter clinic. Kristine |
| Thanks Kristine |
| Who spells "defense" with a "c" in this country? Weird. Must've been started by Brits or something. |
ButtersStotch wrote: Who spells "defense" with a "c" in this country? Weird. Must've been started by Brits or something.
I would have said someone who went to school in Georgia - but then I noticed they came from Vermont |
ButtersStotch wrote: Who spells "defense" with a "c" in this country? Weird. Must've been started by Brits or something.
If you go to the website, the "about us" section, I think, they explain their reasoning. Which escapes me at the moment, though it was apparently deliberate. Since English is my second language and I was originally taught by teachers who sounded much like the BBC, I have to say I never even noticed until I read the explanation for why they spell it that way 
Snowblind, wordblind. Same difference I guess
Actually, it's worth going to their website and reading about what they're trying to accomplish, period. I was impressed and that doesn't come easily to curmudgeonly cynics. 
Kristine |
| they just prefer the british spelling - I like my answer better. |
kerry wrote: they just prefer the british spelling - I like my answer better.
A fellow curmudgeon!!! I'm shocked!!!!
KB |
| My first thought was PETA-ish : de fence, or un fence - a lack of fences.....
but a curmudgeon... |
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