Guinness needs his hip replaced

I knew this months ago when I took him to a specialist. The CHD in his right hip is moderate to severe and his left is mild to moderate. We are just watching his pain level but with 6 big dogs here he limps quite a bit. I think it will need to be sooner than later. Any encouraging words would be helpful....I am trying to hold out on the weather , waiting till spring so we are not rehabbing in the snow. I will place the fosters I have now and not take anymore and give all my time to Guinness's recuperation. The vet put him (and my older lab ) on something called Comfort. and of course pain meds if needed.
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I am sorry to hear about Guinness and his hd. I know that I will be going down that road with Violet in the future. Plz give him a hugs from us.
So sorry you are faceing this. :cry:
I know how hard this is, when Kassie was with us it became so bad that she could not get up. Funny once we got her up she was ok. We had to put her down at 12, not from that but cancer. We never had to replace her hips.
My thoughts are with you. If you can make it to spring it will be easier. Even Kassie did much better in warmer weather.
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Guinness is such a trooper. It is so hard to watch them struggle when you know they are in pain yet they try so hard to compensate just to be part of things. Hugs to you both as you are going through this difficult time.
Awwww geeeeesh. I'm sorry.

I would start on the pain meds right away to reduce any inflammation and any collateral damage that can create. I'd also start a very strong stomach protector along with it.

Did they discuss what kind of hip operation? I've read about good success with the operation where they just remove the femoral head (FHO?) and supposedly in young dogs that has a very good success rate. I've always wondered how dogs who have ahd the FHO done when they are young fare when they get much older. I haven't seen anything about that.
I am with Ron - use the anti inflammatories to prevent.... oh wait you are a nurse you know the drill :D

Sorry to hear its so bad. we are having new x-rays done on Morgan to figure him out.

I would be very conflicted about the hip surgery I have to admit that. Give the big guy a hug for me.
I'm so sorry!

I would be conflicted with a THR too. I know the ideal hip surgery depends a lot on muscle mass, how mature the dog is, and age. (ie A FHO is ideal for a younger dog with nice muslce mass. A THR cannot be done a young dog, because the bones are not fully hardened.)

Good luck to you and Guiness. Whatever you go with, will you please post your journey? We have many on the forum with dogs that have HD, including myself.
Sorry to hear that. Wishing the best and a speedy recovery. I think if possible I would wait till spring as well. Depends on the dog and amount of pain.
Poor Guinness, big hugs to both of you!
oh my so sorry hope the spring comes soon.. hugs to you
We have discussed and discussed all things A total hip lasts about 12 or 13 years Guinness is three. If we have the FHO and it does not take well (for lack of a better word) then a total is hard to do. He has pain meds and anti inflammatories but they are hard on organs. OK in an old dog but in my opinion I should just have things fixed. sigh He is lame a lot and cries out especially when he does an up (in slow motion) on a patients bed. Thank you all for your warm thoughts, they do mean a lot. The cost of the total hip is about 4500 but my better half said we will find a way. The ortho I took him to was very knowledgeable and made sense to me (and another friend who is also a nurse) He has done OES from rescue and my personel vet likes him. It is just a lot to comprehend. Just the concept of him having surgery. We have a mobile vet he has never been away from me. It will be hard on him and harder on me. I will keep everyone posted Thanks again.
Oh I had no idea Guiness was so young. Poor baby and poor you :cry:

Many years ago we had a dalmation who was in an accident and fractured his acetabulum. I think he was about 4 or 5 years old. A hip replacement wasnt an option so the surgeon removed the femoral head and allowed a fibrous joint to form. This is not nearly as good an option as replacement but he did really well.

He hopped around on 3 legs for a few months and then gradually began to weight bear. He got cancer at 12 years but was still going strong in the hip dept.

I think in some ways it was harder on us than on him. He was a very matter of fact dog who just dealt with it. :) I can still remember the first day after many months of limping that he started up the "dalmo trot" as we called it. That nice smooth run forever gait that they have. We were so happy.

If you trust the ortho listen to him. Second opinion if you're unsure. Then deal with issues as they arise. I have to say I was amazed at how well our dalmo coped. And he lived a long, happy and active life.
Sorry to hear that surgery will be happening soon. Do you have someone lined up to do it? There are quite a few good specialists up in our area.
I do but thanks. I was going to take him to the U od PA but this guy has a great reputation and I liked him and he is a little over an hour away I just dread all this I just wish my boy liked to swim
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I do but thanks. I was going to take him to the U od PA but this guy has a great reputation and I liked him and he is a little over an hour away I just dread all this I just wish my boy liked to swim



Best wishes to you and Guinness. I didn't realize he was only 3 also. I guess the HD made him act slower and older?

Maybe he will learn to love the water after all the rehab. Chewie will come play in the water with him when he gets all better!! :D
Winston and I are sending good thoughts your way. Guiness is such a sweetheart.
I am so sorry for you and Guinness, sending hopes and prayers
Hi - i posted a while back about Tony needing a hip replacement. He is almost three and my husband and I have been considering a full hip replacement for him however, we're unsure about the process and whether if the surgery is effective. I remember talking to my vet about this and she explained it's common for small dogs to get their hip replaced but havent heard much for large dogs. She also recommended having Tony's hip replaced while he's young. We're going to do it but havent found the right surgeon yet.

as of now Tony limps but does not express pain yet. He takes Dasquin and rimadyl (whenever I see he's in pain)


please do keep us posted with Guinness' surgery. I'm a few hour away from U of PA so it's comforting knowing that there is possibly a good surgeon nearby.
I have used the U of Pa for an internist and an orthopedic vet I was more than pleased . Because we had such sadness in 08 I wanted to get this posted before 09. U of PA is about 2 hrs from us and I was ready to get my vet to send a consult bot NEOESR and some other froends used this surgeon and my personel vet referrs to him so we went there. Guinness has deramaxx for pain when needed . He loves to retrieve and this gives him so much pain. We will wait a few months but I will keep you posted You are welcome to come visit me and get a consult with Dr Sooy. He really explains everything.
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Gosh I hate to hear he is going to have to have this done and at such a young age. I'm glad you are able to do it for him, though. Please do keep us posted on the progress.

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Gosh, Cindy. He really was just a baby in Virginia at the '06 Rescue Parade. Small wonder he was bucking and carrying on 8)

I'm so sorry you both have to go through this but the advantage of doing so at this age is precisely his age in terms of recovery time and muscle mass.

He doesn't have to like to swim. In fact, swimming is nowhere near as helpful as an underwater treadmill.

After her spinal embolism, Mad and I spent six months commuting to the Univ. of Madison twice a week for treadmill sessions and, ironically, the bitch who loves water and loves to swim was, hm, not so cooperative when forced to walk on a treadmill. Even after she had regained decent use of her left rear, the poor therapist had to get in there with her or she would have parked herself in a corner and refused to move. (that whole Eeyore thing Sybil has going on? Yeah, she comes by it honestly :wink: )

She was thoroughly offended by the entire concept and stretched my training skills and imagination to the limit. I tried using her love of retrieving. I used floaty toys. I begged, pleaded, cajoled, squeaked (my own voice and toys ;-) ) I bounced tennis balls off the walls. You name it, I probably tried it.

She'd fall for each thing exactly once, and never again. She all but yawned in my face. Walking going nowhere, evidently not exciting enough. She didn't hate it. In fact, I think part of her enjoyed seeing how far I'd go in terms of making a complete and utter fool of myself and that this was part of the game for her. She got her work in, but the therapist and I always managed to work at least twice as hard (and in the therapist's case, get twice as wet) And Mad turned out to be a genious in coming up with ways to cheat. This applied to the onland exercises/homework we needed to do as well. If there was a shortcut that would allow her to not have to work that hard, by jove she'd find it! :wink:

As strenuous as this sounds (for you, the dog, not so much :lol: ), there is a hidden benefit to rehabbing a dog. The closeness. AND, I still say better to do this while you and Guinness are both still young :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hugs to the boy and you. It'll be OK.

:ghug:

Kristine
Oh Cindy! I'm so sorry you're facing this for Guinness. We had an FHO done on Drez when she was 11 and although I can't say it was a total success, it worked enough at her age that we got an additional 3+ years with her. Good luck!
Aw Cindy! Poor Guiness! I will be sending white light to him, and you...and keeping him my prayers.
I guess I have hit "CRAZY" because I am going for a second opinion.
I think it is a good idea to get as much information as possible. certain professionals are well known for one procedure in part because they always think its the solution. you will feel better with a second opinion - even if the same treatment is recommended.
so in a nutshell, it's better to have the dogs' hip replaced while young?

we made an appointment with our vet to have her write a referral for us (for the U of PA)..

Tony has been limping more lately - I wonder if the cold weather has an effect. It makes us so sad seeing him like this even though he hasnt expressed pain.
has anyone every had their oes' femur head removed? I heard it's very successful and less expensive cmpared to a total hip replacement. Just curious if anyone had any experience with it?
Not an OES. But that was the procedure that was performed on my previous Dalmo as the socket of the hip was broken as well so they couldnt replace the hip.
It was successful to a point. He never got all the muscle back but that could have been due to nerve damage and the leg was a bit shorter and he had a reduced range of motion in that hip.
He ran around happily for another 7 or 8 years though, we lost him to cancer.
The ortho did say that removing the femoral head works better for smaller lighter dogs though, he thought even a dalmo was getting a bit large but there was no other option at the time.
I have been doing a lot of research on the FHO surgery, my 8 month OES Ellie has a dislocated hip. My vet is suggesting we go forward with the surgery and he has had great success with it. From what I have read and been told, it is more geared for dogs under 50lbs or for active dogs. I think the key to the success rate is getting the muscle mass built to support the false joint and the dog after the surgery. He suggested swimming is way to build the muscle back. I talked to a family friend today who breeds and does extensive rescue work with Golden Retrievers and she said this surgery is the least expensive and she has had great success with her Goldens.

I am going to get a second opinion this week for Ellie. I will post what they tell me and which option I plan to do. So far I am leaning towards the surgery based on the x-rays and not knowing how long her hip has been like this, I think the damage is already done. I would love for her hip to be popped back into place and then do PT but the outcome of it not popping out again is not very good.

We will keep Guinness in our prayers and hope that you get good news from your second opinion.

Michelle and Ellie
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