That bad puppy coat transition stage question
I guess I want to know if it's possible to really make it through that stage as I know many of us get that "it's hopeless" feeling??? Yuki has never been full of mats at any point in her life, but I do know she had to sit through nightly brushings to get that mat that always formed on the chest and underarms. Is it really better to shave them to possible have a better ...more even coat come in? Any thoughts for this thinks way too far in the future worry wart would be appreciated. P.S. When do their testicles drop? I told Mr. J I think they already did, but really have no idea ...just know I see what appears to be them, and he thinks they're too small to be his beans. He's a man, what do you expect ...always about size.  |
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| testes should have dropped by the time you got him - the only way to know is to feel the sack to ensure there are two. I would assume your breeder would have noted if there was an issue, both of mine did with my more reticent boys.
with two young kids I would think you would have enough to do than to make pushing through with the coat a priority  I shaved both of mine - but I wasn't showing them. if you are going to show your boy you may want to push through, but if not why force it? I guess I don't see it as an issue. You might find your boy prefers a short coat too now that you are in such a humid area. |
| I think I'm battling through this puppy coat, but as it's my first time I'm pretty clueless. Ru gets brushed every couple of days for at least an hour, he's 18 months now and it seems worse than ever. We cut him down to 3 inches in the summer but to be honest it didn't make much difference and personally I find the longer hair easier to handle as you can get hold of it so you don't pull as you brush those matts out.
As for the testicles... you will know when they have dropped 
Ru didn't drop for ages, I think he kind of got them for Xmas last year which would have meant he was 5 or 6 months. I knew other breeds who had dropped a month or so earlier, but suddenly it just happened overnight. Honestly I couldn't believe the size of 'em. |
| there is a adifference between when they drop and when the testosterone starts in and they fill out. that should happen sometime around or after 6 months I think. |
| Oh right. Ru's just looked like 2 lumps under the skin until they got bigger.
1st time mom  |
| I would talk to his breeders about to shave or not. Each breeder has a pretty good idea of their dog's coats and how they mature. Looking back, I would have buzzed Chewie at a much younger age - instead he got it at age 18 months. Of course, his was to get rid of the very much lingering puppy coat - just my slow bloomer boy. It still wasn't totally gone until late this summer. |
I am still 'fighting' with Heart's 'puppy' coat...at 19 months old!!! I think the coat winning..... 
I didn't like that the coat was so uneven and was so thick...So I did get her scissors cut and thinned........It was easier to maintain afterward.... BEFORE......................at about 9 months old 
AFTER...............................at about 12 months old  |
| Sorry no help here. I have had all girls. Good Luck though. He is so cute. |
| sheepieshake, I really hope mine have a nice thick coat like that. I'm only used to yuki's softer coat which is not typical of the breed. Everyone that has felt her (that has an OES) has always said her coat is sooo soft, and once I started to feel other coats.... I never realized how different it was. I have to admit though that I like the FEEL of Yuki's better ...and the LOOK of others more. |
| You are not going to get a better coat if you shave him.......it will just seem like you get the better coat sooner. Shaving doesn't produce a great coat if it isn't in the genes. What you will be avoiding is the scraggily stage where you have the new adult coat mixed in with the puppy coat. Most of the time I wade thru the coat changes since I show my dogs. With José..........I shaved him 3 or 4 times before I started showing him since he was a very slow maturing boy. No sense in dealing with hours of grooming when I wasn't planning on showing him for quite a long time. Best thing I ever did. The one thing you want to remember tho' is if you do shave, you still have to put him up on the table on a regular basis even, if for only 20 minutes, to get him used to behaving on the table for grooming in the event you want to put him into full coat at a later date. The reward of not having to spend hours grooming (if shaved down) isn't worth an adult dog that fights you on the table for grooming.
As for testicles....they can drop at different ages. Check with Doug on what he thinks should be the norm for his dogs. They may be there & you just doen't realize it. Sometimes they can be pretty small when they are young. |
| Kerry,
Anyone who thinks that Mrs. J is going to have a good feel around for her dog's testicles hasn't been reading this forum completely enough!
LOL sorry... |
I never liked lipstick. I still don't. 
thanks for the info everyone. |
Hint of Mischief wrote: I find the longer hair easier to handle as you can get hold of it so you don't pull as you brush those matts out.
That was my thought as well when Obe's hair was shorter. May take longer, but I find it easier. |
shon wrote: Hint of Mischief wrote: I find the longer hair easier to handle as you can get hold of it so you don't pull as you brush those matts out. That was my thought as well when Obe's hair was shorter. May take longer, but I find it easier. I don't have matts in the shorter hair. its not until it reaches about two or three inches that matts seem to start to form (overnight!!) |
| I do feel sorry for those of you with puppy/adult coat change over i went throught it as a 1st timer and it was hell. However I was very pleased thati didn't shave her down, her coat is so thick now and she's 3yrs.
I did post before about a detangler by show seasons which really works on these coats, it is best used on wet coat. when I first tried this i left rosie's coat for weeks, then washed her and put the detangler in and dried it leaves the coat very soft and the matts/under coat comes straight out. professionally I don't clip any of the oes that come in I hand scissor them all and personally i think they look so much better. |
Ron wrote: Kerry,
Anyone who thinks that Mrs. J is going to have a good feel around for her dog's testicles hasn't been reading this forum completely enough! LOL sorry... I'm actually quite terrified to ask and relieved I don't regularly read certain sections
If anyone needs step by step instructions on how to fondle your dog so obsessively and excessively that he refuses to drop the little buggers, please PM Lucali AKA Sunny
I vote for shaving. Of course you can make it through. But with two little kids....what's the point? I'm sure time to spend with the dogs is at a premium as it is. Buzz him as soon as it starts to get ugly and mat, take the time you don't spend wasted on his coat and spend it training him instead. But, yes, Marilyn is right: put him up on the table and go through the motions of brushing him properly even if bald. I took one of my puppies back from a pet home at a year old and I was appalled at how ignorant he was of the whole grooming process. Among other things
Kristine |
Ron wrote: Kerry,
Anyone who thinks that Mrs. J is going to have a good feel around for her dog's testicles hasn't been reading this forum completely enough! LOL sorry... If touching his testicles bothers you, you'd better have him neutered. 
You gotta grab hold of those boys when you brush or he'll end up with serious mats or brush abrasions! |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: Ron wrote: Kerry, Anyone who thinks that Mrs. J is going to have a good feel around for her dog's testicles hasn't been reading this forum completely enough! LOL sorry... If touching his testicles bothers you, you'd better have him neutered. You gotta grab hold of those boys when you brush or he'll end up with serious mats or brush abrasions! That's a really good point about brushing them, Nita. I've never had a "jeweled" dog before and didn't even think about that! |
| I didn't know you had to do that. I already got in trouble for trimming his belly hair which has already grown back long. Mr. J wants him long haired everywhere. I told him to get over it ...at least until he has his adult coat and Mr. J wants to groom him. |
| LOL - you aren't grabbing them to brush them - no hair on those bad boys!
You are grabbing them to keep them from getting scratched when you are brushing around there. (Or at the very least using your hand as a deflector from the brush.) Little mats from the leg/thigh friction form up there, and is part of the regular grooming. |
got sheep wrote: LOL - you aren't grabbing them to brush them - no hair on those bad boys!
You are grabbing them to keep them from getting scratched when you are brushing around there. (Or at the very least using your hand as a deflector from the brush.) Little mats from the leg/thigh friction form up there, and is part of the regular grooming. LOL. Oops. No manscaping for Owen then! |
Sheepie girls are WAY SOOOOOOO MUCH neater in the under department, I'm still learning about that darn dingle and dangles. 
Trimmed around the dingle on Syd and nearly gave him a circumcision Hoping he lifts that leg soon 
Now nugget size, felt on the boys around 6-7 weeks old, then they drop and just teenie smaller then a pea size, they can tuck them up at that age then they bloom into Big boys. Think golf ball then tennis ball
J I am going through coat transition x 2 and hard work, if you don't want to trim him, try combing him to remove the undercoat till the coat transition has settled down. You still have the long fluffy coat look but a lot less work. Wide tooth comb removes a lot in layer grooming and leaves the course outer hair also helps the transition to come through quicker. |
Tiggy's doing a big transition now but I got lucky, Lisa has promised to show me all her secrets for managing Tiggy's scruffles. She lives close by so I get the benefit of all her experience. Sorry you gotta gloat when things go your way.  |
Mim wrote: Tiggy's doing a big transition now but I got lucky, Lisa has promised to show me all her secrets for managing Tiggy's scruffles. She lives close by so I get the benefit of all her experience.
Sorry you gotta gloat when things go your way. good thing you added that last line b/c I was already thinking you were showing off, and I was SUPER jealous you have the best groomer I know so close to you.  You are very lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Quote: good thing you added that last line b/c I was already thinking you were showing off,
sorry my weird sense of humour doesnt always translate into writing very well. |
| I feel poor old Archie maybe going through some coat transisition, I am getting carrier bags full of fluff out of him every day, his poor coat is not looking to clever anymore, a bit thin in places, and the overnight matt from hell in others, it doesn't help I suppose that he is a water lover (add mud to that too) the recent UK cold snap is a blessing frozen rock hard mud is great for our walks, he loves all the crunchy grass too!
Allthough I keep his flea treatment up to date I am concerned that his recent spate of scratching isn't coat change related rather uninvited guests, no matter how carefully I look through the spots he scratches at I have yet to find any uninvited guests! Does the coat change come with scratching and licking of the coat? (the licking is similar in style to the way our cats clean themselves) Currently his coat is like this  |
| Hi Archies Slave
You may find that if the coat is matting he will try to pull them out, this could be where your getting bald patches. The worst thing you can do is wash him when he has these matts unless you have the detangler that i have talked about, if he is changing coats the best shampoo I have found is first aid from Dezynadog I wish I had that when Rosie went through her coat change it was hell. I've used this on my puppy that i have and have had no problems what so ever. I always keep up the frontline even in the winter to keep the little blitters away...... As for Collars I use the round leather ones, again this stops the neck area becoming matted. Val |
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