Is leg pushing dominant behaviour?
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| Are you sure he didn't say dominance? |
Tabatha wrote: I have been watching The Dog Whisperer and Its Me Or the Dog and was surprised when Caesar said if your dog pushes against your led when on lead,that its a sign of aggression.My last OES Tabatha was the quietest,most well behaved dog but she did used to push against my leg sometimes when we were out walking
When Patch wants me to move she buts me in the butt - she gets so impatient wanting to hurry me up. I don't like it after about the 3rd nudge, but she has always done it. She doesn't have one single aggressive bone in her body so I think it is more of a herding characteristic. |
| Yes,of course,I have used the wrong word,it should be,dominance,like Butterstotch says.Is it a problem?Should I have stopped it? |
| I think it is a sheepie trait. I haven't had one who didn't push or lean into me...and never an aggressive one. |
Tabatha wrote: Yes,of course,I have used the wrong word,it should be,dominance,like Butterstotch says.Is it a problem?Should I have stopped it?
Dominance isn't a problem as long as your dog knows you are still the alpha. Some dogs are just more dominant than others. It's in the breeding & not something that can really be taught or untaught. It's either there or it isn't, sometimes to varying degrees. My first show bitch was very dominant. Not agressive at all. Agressiveness is when they want to "start something" all the time. Dominance is just letting the others know who is in charge of the pack. My girl would do it with a "look" & if necessary a small curl of her upper lip on oneside. Any new dog visiting or staying for awhile got the hint really quick. It was simply her way of saying "This is how we do things around here & things work like clockwork...get the picture?" The leg pushing is simply like a teenager trying his limits....wanting to see how far you will let him go. A quick correction at the time (positively reinforced) will get the point across to your dog that as far as you & he are concerned you are alpha. |
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I don't think Sheepies follow the normal pack rules. We need clown trainers. It gets a bit much when they come upto you and kick you with their front legs - to say, HEY get a move on!  |
| okay - pushing against you is really rude in dog language and probably shouldn't be allowed. that said, Saturday my agility trainer told me to start allowing it in my girl (oh look for a post on that class - I think I trumped all the "incompetent handlers" on the forum).
The one commet I have it to watch the dog whisperer for entertainment if you want, but he is not a good trainer and any of his advice and or observations should be critiqued like you are doing here. if you are happy with your girls behavior I wouldn't worry about it. |
Guinness is a therapy dog he pushes against me sometimes. When we are in the yard playing he will wrap himself around my legs to be petted or just to do it He is pretty well trained and is an easy going boy I don't know if this TV guy has all his screws but traits varie between breeds Just my 2 cents for what it is worth I really don't know. I don't watch this guy  |
kerry wrote: okay - pushing against you is really rude in dog language and probably shouldn't be allowed. that said, Saturday my agility trainer told me to start allowing it in my girl (oh look for a post on that class - I think I trumped all the "incompetent handlers" on the forum).
I doubt it. I can try to outdo you by detailing Sybil's Saturday herding lessons, but until a friend shares the video of it I can't even begin to tell you what I did wrong
Start writing! Very curious as to why she recommended it. Guessing to build confidence/put her in a bit of play mode. I actually body "slam" my dogs to get them to play with me sometimes. Presume it will be in training section? I need a good read to take my mind off the fact that everytime I moved while i was working with Sybil on goats, I instinctively and unerringly (this must surely take talent!  ) move the wrong way. Every time!  
Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: kerry wrote: okay - pushing against you is really rude in dog language and probably shouldn't be allowed. that said, Saturday my agility trainer told me to start allowing it in my girl (oh look for a post on that class - I think I trumped all the "incompetent handlers" on the forum). I doubt it. I can try to outdo you by detailing Sybil's Saturday herding lessons, but until a friend shares the video of it I can't even begin to tell you what I did wrong Start writing! Very curious as to why she recommended it. Guessing to build confidence/put her in a bit of play mode. I actually body "slam" my dogs to get them to play with me sometimes. Presume it will be in training section? I need a good read to take my mind off the fact that everytime I moved while i was working with Sybil on goats, I instinctively and unerringly (this must surely take talent! ) move the wrong way. Every time! Kristine I think I put it in advanced behaviors. and it is waaay too early in herding to think you should be doing anything other than getting in the way
apparently I am no fun and Marley needs to have more fun or she can't relax and overlook my spectacularly bad handling. she does seem to be stressing less the more we concentrate on playing (of course she also has wormed her way up on my lap on the couch etc. and she seems to thrive on being the princess.) |
| Kristine,
When I took Bella for her one herding class with the goats...I did the same thing, went the wrong way every time. I am not sure I can stand being yelled at like that. Herding lessons are very expensive, so I decided not to bother. She stuck to me like glue after being corrected, so it wasn't enjoyable for either of us. She always leans into me when we walk, but I feel like she is insecure after 4 homes and always needs to be touching me. |
wendy58 wrote: Kristine,
When I took Bella for her one herding class with the goats...I did the same thing, went the wrong way every time. I am not sure I can stand being yelled at like that. Herding lessons are very expensive, so I decided not to bother. She stuck to me like glue after being corrected, so it wasn't enjoyable for either of us. She always leans into me when we walk, but I feel like she is insecure after 4 homes and always needs to be touching me. oh you need a different instructor!!! our guys don't do well with BC instructors who use strong corrections (I don't even think BC do all that "well" with them ).
take a breathe and find a good instructor - it is worth the time and energy to find the right one, and the one I found who works upright herding dogs in a mainly positive way - as she points out removing them from the sheep is a negative in their eyes- is very reasonably priced. |
| When we get a chance I may try again with the other instructor. Either way it's too pricey now in this economy, and I live in the Los Angeles area, not many places out here to take classes...and I don't do long car rides. We are working on basic obedience for now. |
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