I need Holly to go to a family home
I wish things could have been different since I fought so hard to find a home that allowed dogs but.............  |
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I am sure rescue can help you find the right home for her. I am so sorry you need to let her go, but we do understand how difficult our breed can be in the wrong situation. Maybe you can ask for someone to donate instead of trying to recoup the money spent. Isn't it more important that she find the right furever home? Asking for any money amount can mean the difference between the right permanent home and the wrong one. I sure hope you find your solution ASAP as I know what a difficult decision you are making. Our thoughts are with you in the hope you find the right place for Holly soon.  |
| I do just want her to go to the right home and her furever one. I am so sad about this decesion but it is truly the best thing for Holly. I have tried working with her but she does not like for me to leave her and I do have to work. I hope someone will hear my plea and respond she is not a bad dog she just does not like to be by herself. |
| Check under the links and look for rescue in your area. I am not sure who you contact. Maybe the next poster will be able to tell you who to contact. You can repost under dogs in trouble too as it seems to get a lot of attention. Good Luck and keep us posted. |
| did velcro vodoo ever find a dog? |
| I don't think so... |
| Ravenbook, what state are you in? |
| I am in Freeport Pennsylvania. |
| Have you contacted the person you purchased her from? Perhaps they can help you in rehoming her. |
ChSheepdogs wrote: Have you contacted the person you purchased her from? Perhaps they can help you in rehoming her.
Not to be cruel, but I don't think a breeder selling pups for $600 wants much to do with them after they're gone. |
ButtersStotch wrote: Not to be cruel, but I don't think a breeder selling pups for $600 wants much to do with them after they're gone.
Now that I think about it, you are most likely right about that point. |
| Contact Chris Gaburri at cgaburri@verizon.net. She is a contact for PA rescue which may be the best way to go, although they don't buy dogs they will find a great home for her. Good luck. |
| I hope she finds a good forever home. |
Velcro Voodoo would be perfect for Holly they both sound like they're meant for each other ....  please think about it  |
| I have contacted my breeder and she is very willing to help. I know I may not have paid as much as you all have for your sheepies but that does not make mine any less an OES. She has a wonderful personality she is very loving and makes me laugh like all sheepies do she just is too attatched to me and does not do well without me..... that does not make her a bad OES or any less of one b/c I did not pay $1800 for her. |
| Would your breeder consider taking her back & rehoming her for you? That way your girl wouldn't be alone when you are at work? |
ravenbrook wrote: I have contacted my breeder and she is very willing to help. I know I may not have paid as much as you all have for your sheepies but that does not make mine any less an OES. She has a wonderful personality she is very loving and makes me laugh like all sheepies do she just is too attatched to me and does not do well without me..... that does not make her a bad OES or any less of one b/c I did not pay $1800 for her.
Of course it doesn't. I'm sure she's an awesome dog. It has just been our experience that many breeders that we wouldn't necessarily consider "reputable" breeders want nothing to do with the owners and pups after the sale. It sounds like you've lucked out! |
| Please don't think we are trying to trash your breeder. It it just that most experiences with dogs at that price range end up with an uncaring breeder. I had a dog myself where the breeder was a byb, but made every effort to make sure the dogs were in the right home, even to rehoming them. He even came by and visited after the dog was here for at least 6 months.
It is typical for byb puppies to have no guarantee, or no health testing, but there are some out there who are very truthful and do the right thing. Please keep us informed as to where she goes, and invite the new owner to join us here. We are generally a great community for learning and a family atmosphere. We wish you good luck on her new home. |
| I'm just a little confused. Did Holly exhibit this behavior in your former home before the fire? If she did not, then my guess is that she's experiencing some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder because of the fire. Maybe you could talk to a behavorist who could guide you and her through this.
If she did act like this before, why didn't it bother you then? |
| As many of you know, Cosmo and Holly came from the same breeder. They are both beautiful, wonderful creatures - and they seem to share a common personality. I know some of you are trying to suggest that the more "high quality" the breeder/dog, the more likely you are to have a breeder that can (or wants to) help you rehome or who will take the dog back. When when you're in a position, like Holly's mom, where your heart is breaking, it comes across sounding pretty harsh. Please keep that in mind. I think all of you will agree, that whether your dog cost $1800, $600 or was free from a shelter - it's all about the love - not about the pedigree. Pedigree's do matter in the show ring, but not in our hearts.
Let's all keep our fingers crossed for Holly and her mommy that things will work out!!!! |
| From the "electronic etiquette" portion of our employee/student manual (this includes email, Facebook, My Space, texting, IMing....etc.) : If you would not say something to someone in person [face], don't type and send it.
Remember that "emotions and tone" are not a part of text. If you want to write something to just get it down and vent, type it in a separate document so you don't accidentally hit "send" or "post." We are a community, not a hierarchy. Oh, and I would tell this to anyone....oh wait, I do almost every day dealing with kids and cyber-bullying and relational aggression with students! (For those who don't know, I am a school counselor  ) |
| I don't think anyone has said anything intending to be unkind. It isn't an insult to think that a breeder who charges less for their dog is less vested in their well being, it's simply a fact that is born out over and over here on the forum.
If your breeder is a cut above the others that is wonderful and I really think they should be the ones best able to help you. I am confused though, if you think she is too attached to you why do you think sending her away will help? Have you contacted a trainer to help with the behavior problems? Are you crating her? Often a dog with seperation issues just needs the security of a crate and some training. Where in PA are you? (N S E OR W) |
| Of course nothing was meant to be unkind. It wasn't a judgment on Holly at all. Like I said, I'm sure she's a great dog but it it's usually pretty standard that BYBs don't get too involved with their owners and dogs after the sale, which is why I suggested that perhaps the breeder may not be particularly helpful in this case. If she is, that's awesome. All that matters is that Holly finds a new loving home. |
| Please let us know a little more about Holly Did this start in the new house?? She may have PTSS I know this is a very hard decesion but maybe you need Holly as much as she needs you . If it cannot be worked out then there are lots of rescue people on this forum that would be happy to fing a good home for her I am so sorry you have to go through this after losing so much. Please keep us posted. |
Cosmo's Parentals wrote: Please keep that in mind. I think all of you will agree, that whether your dog cost $1800, $600 or was free from a shelter - it's all about the love - not about the pedigree. Pedigree's do matter in the show ring, but not in our hearts.
Actually - and recall that you're the one who mentioned pedigree - the fact is that someone habitually selling puppies for $600 generally didn't put a lot of effort into producing those puppies regardless of pedigree, and a major part of the effort is health screening (which is how you can offer puppies at about half to a third of the going rate or less). So maybe we can agree that it's all about the health testing, which does matter, show ring or not, and I know no one intended that as a slight.
As for those of us who do rescue, we see an awful lot of puppies in that price range who are surrendered precisely because that lack of effort usually extends to follow up and standing behind the dog for life too. Some of these breeders won't return your call three minutes after your check cleared. In this case, that's obviously not the case and I think that's fantastic. If her separation anxiety can't be resolved, the best thing would be for the pup to go back to her breeder who knows her history better than almost anyone and who can do the most competent job of rehoming. Kudos to the breeder for staying involved and being willing to do that! I think it's wonderful and she most certainly deserves the courtesy of being involved. If rescue turns out to be a better option, that's fine too. Separation anxiety can be a tough one. I have a young bitch I've been fostering who was surrendered overwhelmingly for that reason. We had three days of messes in her crate and screaming and howling till she realized that her life would not end even though I had to work. I'm out of town right now, so don't have the name handy, but my vet had given me a mild anti-anxiety drug that got her over the hump and then I weaned her off of that in less than a week. She's still overly attached to anyone who spends more than 30 minutes with her, but she's really doing well. If I lived in apartment I may not have been able to get her through it because the first few days were miserable for everyone in ear shot, including my own dogs, but most of all her. So even though I know it can be worked through (some cases are much harder than others), I'm absolutely sympathetic to the toll SA can take on a dog and the household. Best wishes Kristine |
| Clomicalm is generally prescribed here
for seperation anxiety. In conjunction with behavior modification... |
Donner's Mom wrote: Clomicalm is generally prescribed here
for seperation anxiety. In conjunction with behavior modification... that's is I believe the drug of choice for the condition. If she didn't have this problem before and her condition is not speration anxiety, but anxiety casued by other issues a different drug would probably be used. and yes behavior modification is all important. |
Donner's Mom wrote: Clomicalm is generally prescribed here
for seperation anxiety. In conjunction with behavior modification... I know, Kathy, but it was something else and I remember that surprised me. I forget her reasoning for it, but I'll ask her when I get home. The hard part with most behavioral modification programs - and there are some great ones out there - is that they don't generally work well in severe cases if everyone in the home has to work/attend school, because the first few weeks you're really not leaving them but for an increasing number of minutes at a time. For less severe cases you can change your behavior (stop pandering to the clingyness and at the same time find good energy and mental outlets that build confidence) and that can have enough of an impact to get you started. Some times if you can take the edge off the fear chemically, that can give you the head start you need to let the dog know that she can exist without you there to hold her paw. With what she's been through, it's no surprise that she's that insecure. I'm sure you see mild cases of SA in rescue dogs all the time, even ones who weren't like that before they were surrendered, and especially ones who went through a shelter first or something similarly high stress. Most of these cases are mild and most times that seems to shake out of them fairly easily once they have been in their permanent home for a while, though I think that's why you so often hear people say their rescue dog is so attached to them, like they know the new owner "saved" them. In reality the dog, having gone through at least one upheaval, is never quite sure that another one won't be on the horizon, which may be part of the reason normalcy and structure is frequently so important to them, but anything outside of the norm may cause a return of the anxiety. I always breathe a sigh of relief as the dog starts to relax because their anxiety is so obviously painful to them. It's one of the most rewarding issues to resolve if you can just stick with it. but the process can be very upsetting to the person as well as the dog, as I'm sure you've noticed. Kristine |
| I placed a post here yesterday, where did it go? |
Cosmo's Parentals wrote: whether your dog cost $1800, $600 or was free from a shelter....
I am not familiar with adoption fees in other places, but every dog I have pulled from shelters in Southern California and Washington DC are in the $150 range. |
| I could be COMPLETELY wrong with saying "free from a shelter"... I was just saying that love doesn't come with a price tag. Points have been well-made, and rightfully so, that you can get health guarantees. I have no idea what the normal health guarantee for an OES is even...
I'm not arguing any point. I just trying to remind people that Holly's mommy was looking here for support. Sometimes comments that have good intentions can be hurtful when you are already hurting. I'm not saying any of you are right or wrong... that wasn't the point. I'm sure that most of you have more experience and are speaking purely from that experience. And speaking very honestly, Cosmo came from a BYB, the same one that Holly came from. The breeder is a very caring woman, we have stayed in touch with her since adopting Cosmo. She loves hearing stories, getting updates, seeing pictures... I was NOT well educated on breeders prior to coming here (this forum). I basically knew that puppy mills were bad, and that you go to a breeder to get a pure bred dog. I had no clue about the level, or extent, of differences between breeders. It's been something I've been learning about thanks to this forum. Our other OES, is a rescue dog. Now that I've learned about the wonderful work the rescue organizations do (especially the OES ones!), I am likely to only get rescue dogs since I only am looking for a pet and member of the family. I grew up with parents that always adopted dogs in need, not from rescue organizations, but from people who were looking to find a good home for their dogs (always basset hounds). I have a soft spot for the ones in need. So please do not misunderstand me... My ONLY intent is to support Holly and Holly's mommy while they are going through this tough time. I have been thoroughly enjoying learning from all of you, seeing the pictures of your Sheepies and hearing about what they do. |
| Ok I wasn't going to post here again but I think I have to. Thank you Cosmo's mommy for understanding where I'm at. I love Holly very much and I have listened to all of you talk about this breeeding thing and my problem has nothing to do with where or who I got Holly from. I have decided that I owe it to Holly and myself to try and make this work so tommorrow I have made an appointment with her vet and we are going to find out what is wrong and what steps to take to make US okay. For the ones that cared enough to send me positive messages I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Kathy, thanks for your support. Cosmo's mom I am so glad we met here you have been wonderful ...the text this morning made me smile. I am so sorry I caused such a hulabaloo here I didn't mean to do that I was just at the end of my rope and I thought getting rid of Holly would be best for her but maybe it isn't the answer I don't know .... |
| You both have been through alot!
It is hard...... You can call me whenever you need to. Good Luck at the vet tomorrow! |
| I'm not sure where a "hullabaloo" occurred. No one meant any harm or ill intent in any of these posts so I don't understand what's being dwelled on as a negative against anyone. As I read through these posts, I see most people offering advice or concern. I think I speak for everyone in saying that we're happy that your breeder sounds like a good caring person who is willing to help. It is a fact that many BYB are not like yours, as many in rescue can attest. Please don't take that as an offensive jab at you as it's not. Our dogs come from everywhere and we love them all the same-- that's what matters. |
| Well, I know I'll get hit with rotten tomatoes, but Pirate is from a BYB. He cost us $600. We got really lucky with him. We bought him before I was as knowledgable as I am now. Keira was a rescue from Save-A-Pet. She was $250. Lizzie rescue from Wisconsin OESrescue...$200... The joy they bring...PRICELESS! |
ButtersStotch wrote: Our dogs come from everywhere and we love them all the same-- that's what matters.
Well said!!! |
debcram wrote: Well, I know I'll get hit with rotten tomatoes, but Pirate is from a BYB. He cost us $600. We got really lucky with him. We bought him before I was as knowledgable as I am now.
Keira was a rescue from Save-A-Pet. She was $250. Lizzie rescue from Wisconsin OESrescue...$200... The joy they bring...PRICELESS! I'll throw another "WELL SAID!!" out on that too! |
Well done honey for working with Holly 
Can I just add and I quote "getting rid of Holly" for me I loathe that term, you get rid of rubbish nothing else. I feel more comfortable with "rehoming" Apologise for the negativity but it is one of my pet hates, and I read that term so often 
Debsx |
| My last OES Winston, the one who died from the melamine in the pet food last year, was from a BYB at $650.00. He was the best dog I ever had. He was only 4 1/2 when he died. The breeder was the one who did the health clearances and checked up on him later on. |
wendy58 wrote: My last OES Winston, the one who died from the melamine in the pet food last year, was from a BYB at $650.00. He was the best dog I ever had. He was only 4 1/2 when he died. The breeder was the one who did the health clearances and checked up on him later on.
Hi, Wendy. Just out of curiousity (I track these things), which health clearances did s/he do? And have you (sorry for diversion in topic  ) filled out the health survey yet?
http://www.keysurvey.com/survey/211252/2567/ Thanks a bunch!! Kristine |
please stick around and let us know how things are going .  |
| I dont read all the threads as lots of them upset me. But, well done for trying again with your pup......xxxx I am sure you will both get through this. |
| Kristine,
The breeder for the dog I lost to the poison pet food did hips and eye teasting on the parents of the litter. He also had on the receipt that he was to be neutered, but it wasn't really a contract. He was a conscientious person, but the next time I went puppy shopping I went through OESCA first. |
| Between the advice here and from your vet, I hope you and Holly will be ringing in the New Year together. |
| I'm so happy to hear that you're going to try to resolve the issues
with your furbaby!!!  
(may I presume you got my PM? much love to you both) A little story: I wanted an OES since I was 8 yrs old, when I turned 23, I bought Vlad as a birthday present for myself. Started training right away, etc. For a period of about 2 months (when he was 6 to 8 months old) he all of a sudden started acting up a lot basically doing the exact opposite of what he was told, garbage strewn over the entire kitchen every morning major naughtiness and attitude I was having daydreams about surrendering him dropping him off at the pound all sorts of stuff... crate training, a professional trainer ( ok, I was chastised, he was fed hot dogs =) and then on to the best 10 years of my life with an amazing dog. It's totally worth it... aI'm really really happy to hear you're going to give it a go. I know you love her so... Let us know how things are going, we're totally here for you (hullabaloo?? I wouldn't worry about it, I think all of us are here because we heart sheepies and love troubleshooting and chatting with each other... If anything, it's a pleasure!) My best to both of you!!! |
wendy58 wrote: Kristine,
The breeder for the dog I lost to the poison pet food did hips and eye teasting on the parents of the litter. He also had on the receipt that he was to be neutered, but it wasn't really a contract. He was a conscientious person, but the next time I went puppy shopping I went through OESCA first. Thanks, Wendy. Good to know more breeders are starting to get the message. Kristine |
| Hi Holly's mom! I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry for all that you've been going through with Holly. Kenai is 2 years old now and I can't imagine life without him. We also only paid $600 dollars for him and travelled to the border of Ohio and Indiana to get him (we're a little bit north of you in PA). He is our first OES and only dog right now, though we're hoping to add to our family at some point. From the first time I worked with one of these furry creatures (I used to be a vet tech), I knew that one would some day be a part of my "pack"!! They are such hams, aren't they?
Is Holly your only dog? Perhaps we could set up a play date for our two little sheepies? We have always found that when Kenai starts to act up, he needs more exercise, and I'm not talking about the "exercise" that I can give him but that which he gets from running, chasing, and playing with another dog! I would love to get him together with another sheepie to play with.
Kenai went through......errr..... a rambunctious / separation anxiety-like period. Now he can be home alone uncrated and he does great. My husband and I have both had experience training dogs and have found that they are ALL different! Once we learned how the OES 'thinks' we were golden! So be encouraged! We're actually training him to be a therapy dog now! We're more than willing to share our experiences with you if you are interested. If you are, shoot me a message and I'll give you my # or vice versa. And best wishes to you and Holly! Let us know if there's anyway we can help! |
| Ravenbrook -
Holly looks like she would be a great addition to our family! We've got four kids and the youngest is three. I've had lots of experience (grew up next door to Abby) with OES's and love them. I'd love to discuss details with you; we live in Lancaster |
| Denise is working to keep Holly!
Things are working out for them!  [/url] |
| oh yeah !!! |
| I haven't been on the forum in a while.
I missed all of this. Thanks Kathy for supporting Denise. I would like to offer mine too. I have had all kinds of sheepies (mostly rescue) some w/ major problems,but i never gave up on them. I am so happy to hear Denise is trying again w/ Holly. Again I am here to support, not criticize. Pls keep us posted. sue |
| We got our OES from a breeder in Mexico, Missouri and only paid $165 for her! She's now 11 1/2 and a great dog. My husband can tell she's not "show quality" as she is too big for a female (88 pounds) and her body is too long, but she's a registered OES and a wonderful dog. She is getting on in years and I am hopeful that, when her time comes, we can find another OES (possibly through rescue) for an equally reasonable price. We simply can't afford to pay $600 or more for a pet. So, to all of you who said it doesn't matter what they cost, you are exactly right!! |
Hi Everyone I just wanted to say Hi and give ya alittle update on me and Holly. We are doing fine ! Holly is starting to become a very nice wigglebutt and she is still on meds for her stomach problems but she is momma's baby! She keeps me smiling and is very smart!! I gave her one of those toys that you drop and then they wiggle , giggle , and sing and I showed her once and that's all it took!!!!! She throws it in the air to get it to do it's thing , she will drop it from up on my bed, or stand on the couch and drop it and it is a riot!! She usually does it when no one is paying attention to HER!! which is a true sheepie move!!!! LOL 
I thank you all for the support I received on this forum it has helped... |
Oh, wow. What great news.  So happy for you guys!
Kristine |
| Congratulations that is great news. Holly keep up the good work, you to mom. |
| That is so great to hear. Congratulations. Enjoy |
 Wonderful! |
| And, if you look a few replies up... "Ravenbrook" aka Holly's Mom also sent Cosmo one of those funny toys for a Christmas present! It was the funniest thing to see him quivering not knowing what to do with this wiggling, giggling, singing, moving little toy! When he plays with it, it reminds me of a kitten playing with a ball of yarn! Hysterical! |
| So glad Holly got to stay with her family. What is this toy you talk about. I am curious now. |
ravenbrook wrote: Hi Everyone I just wanted to say Hi and give ya alittle update on me and Holly. We are doing fine ! Holly is starting to become a very nice wigglebutt and she is still on meds for her stomach problems but she is momma's baby! She keeps me smiling and is very smart!! I gave her one of those toys that you drop and then they wiggle , giggle , and sing and I showed her once and that's all it took!!!!! She throws it in the air to get it to do it's thing , she will drop it from up on my bed, or stand on the couch and drop it and it is a riot!! She usually does it when no one is paying attention to HER!! which is a true sheepie move!!!! LOL
I thank you all for the support I received on this forum it has helped... That is wonderful news!!!! |
| Hi!
Just a quick note to say I'm totally stoked (yep, I'm from Cal) 
to hear the fabulous news!!!!! yippee!!! |
| http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... d=10453286
Ok this is the link for the toy the only bummer is you CAN NOT buy it on line you have to buy it at a store they are about $5 or $6 bucks BUT well worth it!!!!!! Holly has 2 of them in case one breaks! These are AWESOME!!!!!! |
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