For those with two OES'
 ) ...and I started to wonder...
Did any of you have only furchild before adding one that hogged all the toys? I notice that she doesn't like to share her toys. She won't let them rest. Yuki will continue to bark until the dog goes deaf and drops the toy ...and occasionally goes up to nip their collar while she continues to tell them to drop her toy. I remember when a poster here (ravenmoonart) came to our house with her two dogs. Same thing. She wouldn't leave her poor Bert alone any time he had a toy. Never fought, bit (outside of nip), or growled aggressively... Ravenmoonart's other dog didn't want to play with toys, so they got along great, and it was actually her dog bossing Yuki around. Does this ever go away?  Or does the other dog learn to ignore Yuki like these two dogs did and do what they want to? |
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| are they toys she is used to? you could try new toys when she is playing - my guys have outgrown toys more or less so there are few fights now a days about them.
Morgan does love to steal the puppies toys - just to prove he can. its a big dog thing |
| my two play really nicely with their toys together, stealing continuously from one another, back and forth. But they've been doing this nicely from day one, when they were little pups. I don't know how it would have been different if we had one dog and added a second later. |
| When we go on our runs Sami like to bark and tease the poodle we give her a toy bottle ball ANYTHING and she will RUN RUN the other 2 chase her, she will not share but if she drops it Blue is in on the game to chase her and thats all. He does not care for the toy he wants her TAIL. The poodle is to smart to grap the toy she would get run over. |
| Twelve OES, mostly males, always in pairs except for those times when I lost a dog. You have hit on the one universal constant of my dogs.
The dominant (older) dog always lays claim to the toys. The submissive one always tries to steal them. If we bought two new toys and gave one to each dog, the older dog would eventually end up with two to add to his stash. It usually becomes a game although I had one male who would just hoard the toys, keeping them in one corner and either laying in front of them, guarding them; or tucking them between his legs and covering them with his neck and growling at the other dog if he came near. Never had a fight over toys, thankfully. My two now have a slightly different game. They are playing it right now as a matter of fact. Toby, the younger one, sneaks one of Charlie's toys and parades around with it in his mouth. Charlie will get up and then they walk around and around, Charlie stalking, Toby looking over his shoulder in triumph. When Toby finally drops it, Charlie snatches it up and takes it back to his stash in a huff. |
Murphy Loves toys, Bella could care less for them, BUT she will take them from Murphy just so he can't have them  When I see this happen I will speak to her sternly, she looks up at me with big blue eyes as if she is saying, "Mommy I don't want him to have that." Murphy will then reclaim his toy and Bella will watch me to see if I am watching her As soon as I turn my back, she's off to taking his toys away from him , she is so bossy |
| Treats and snacks are more of issue for us. They all steal from each other but Clyde is the worst. Bear, and to a certain extent, Owen, will happily eat on their own but Clyde will steal and then sit on the stolen treat while he eats his own. They never fight about it but whoever the victim is gets very vocal with Clyde so it's always a ruckus. |
Joahaeyo wrote: So this past weekend, we went a few blocks down and found someone who also had an OES. We knocked on their door and pointed down to ours, and we became immediate friends. I didn't want to scare her off by taking pictures while they played (like i'm some oes crazy lover or something
) ...and I started to wonder...Did any of you have only furchild before adding one that hogged all the toys? I notice that she doesn't like to share her toys. She won't let them rest. Yuki will continue to bark until the dog goes deaf and drops the toy ...and occasionally goes up to nip their collar while she continues to tell them to drop her toy. I remember when a poster here (ravenmoonart) came to our house with her two dogs. Same thing. She wouldn't leave her poor Bert alone any time he had a toy. Never fought, bit (outside of nip), or growled aggressively... Ravenmoonart's other dog didn't want to play with toys, so they got along great, and it was actually her dog bossing Yuki around. Does this ever go away? Or does the other dog learn to ignore Yuki like these two dogs did and do what they want to?You read my mind. Since we've adopted Cozette, she has an obsession over toys when Matisse is around. I too wondered the same thing. The barking in his ears, taking toys out of his mouth and running into another room with them....I myself never witnessed that type of behavior before......Is she spoiled, or selfish or what??? Hmmmm......  |
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| HEEEYYYYY!!! How are ya!!?? yeah, it's been a while...lol |
| We have been great.
I posted after our brag post - (we had a good weekend showing in rally) about what my lucky charm was..... I think the watch I bought at Sheepiepalooza was my good luck charm.....now everyone will want one too!  |
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Well hi, stranger!!!!! Nice to hear from you Yeah wondering if there was still a Mich out there!
I have a few dogs.....if one gets "grumpy" over a toy, I correct the behaviour give the toy back to it's original player and give the grump another toy! (I have Paddington, the oldest grumpiest man ever!!!!) We have even gotten him past his food aggression for the most part!
Usually works pretty well but, you must stay on your toes! Good Luck! |
| My two new boys (don't have a decent photo yet) didn't come with any toys, and my last dog wouldn't play with anything. I kind of forgot about toys...until they started pulling gloves out of my gardening basket. I went and bought them some toys, they played with them somewhat. Then I brought up this light green HUGE stuffed frog out of the basement. It had come in a box from an auction, and the intent was to pitch it. It is VERY baby-ish looking, like it would sit in the corner of a crib.
The boys found it and one or the other of them is carrying it around constantly. The other night they went crazy wanting to go out, after looking out the door of my office. They went out in the garage, got to the door, ONE of them shot out like a bullet, grabbed the frog, and came back in, then they both settled down to sleep with the frog between them. It was snowing out. |
sabrinafree wrote: My two new boys (don't have a decent photo yet) didn't come with any toys, and my last dog wouldn't play with anything. I kind of forgot about toys...until they started pulling gloves out of my gardening basket. I went and bought them some toys, they played with them somewhat. Then I brought up this light green HUGE stuffed frog out of the basement. It had come in a box from an auction, and the intent was to pitch it. It is VERY baby-ish looking, like it would sit in the corner of a crib.
The boys found it and one or the other of them is carrying it around constantly. The other night they went crazy wanting to go out, after looking out the door of my office. They went out in the garage, got to the door, ONE of them shot out like a bullet, grabbed the frog, and came back in, then they both settled down to sleep with the frog between them. It was snowing out. so cute!  |
| We had Cosmo for a year until Roxie joined the family. Roxie is very dominant with any kind of treat/bone/rawhide/pigs ear/etc... she lets Cosmo know that she's the boss, she picks the one she wants (no matter who has what or if they are exactly identical) and then Cosmo gets what is left. He doesn't mind. Since he is MUCH taller, he'll even steal things off the counter for her. As for true toys, she doesn't want to take those - so Cosmo's stuffed babies are all his.
They might argue briefly, but it's a very quick, temporary discussion. They love each other and play happily more often than they squabble. I'm sure it's like ANYONE you live with, you can't get along perfectly 24/7! |
Cosmo's Parentals wrote: Since he is MUCH taller, he'll even steal things off the counter for her.
Awww....how sweet. What a good brother he is to her. |
Quote: I'm sure it's like ANYONE you live with, you can't get along perfectly 24/7! Laughing
Dogs can get away with biting them though. Unfair. |
Beaureguard's Mom wrote: Cosmo's Parentals wrote: Since he is MUCH taller, he'll even steal things off the counter for her. Awww....how sweet. What a good brother he is to her. He is a good brother. It's a team effort, I think she's the brains and he's the brawn... She is such a happy little girl, although she is confusing if you don't know her... she'll bark like a mad beagle while wiggling her bum as fast as possible. A stranger thinks she's about to attack - but we thoroughly believe she is DEMANDING that they pay attention to her right that minute!
She will also take his leash and grab it about a foot past him and try to pull him along when we walk. They are funny critters! |
Cosmo's Parentals wrote: She will also take his leash and grab it about a foot past him and try to pull him along when we walk. They are funny critters!
She did that a few times when she was here, too. It was pretty funny to see her trying to walk Beaureguard.
I'm thrilled she's doing so well with y'all (although I was sure she would! ) |
I am glad someone posted this question! We just brought another sheepie home yesterday and she is actually our Maggie's sister from the same litter!! She was a rescue and she is beautiful:). Her name is Molly and Molly had a UTI when she was rescued three weeks ago and that has cleared up BUT she has had several accidents  in the house including pooping in less than 24 hours. What does this mean? She is a house trained dog, so she shouldn't be doing this, should she? Also, Maggie is not very hospitable to Molly and I would like to know if this is going to change? We are showing love to both of them but Maggie obviously does not like this! We wanted someone for our Maggie to play with during the day so we could get our work done and having her own blood sister is the perfect scenario BUT we want Maggie to be happy too. HELP!!!!! |
| How old are Maggie and Molly? My Tonks and Luna are litter mates, and while they get along wonderfully, there is some tension from time to time, and we have had some issues in the past with fighting. I have been told two females, especially litter mates, can be problematic. We've had our share of trouble, but have been working through it and its so worth it. |
Eastcoast05 wrote: Also, Maggie is not very hospitable to Molly and I would like to know if this is going to change? We are showing love to both of them but Maggie obviously does not like this!
Hang in there. The "accidents" are almost certainly temporary as a result of totally new surroundings. As for the spats and jealousy, My two current rescues took almost 6 months to sort out their problems. I've had a number of OES pairs and that is probably the longest it has taken. These two kept a careful distance from each other and had a few fights and bloody ears for awhile. Now they are best friends and lay together all the time, but although they are pack-mates and show affection, I wouldn't say they are play-mates. Maybe it is because my older dog has to maintain his dignity to keep his dominant position secure. Even though you may think your girls don't play like you expected them to, they are pack animals and will get a lot out of each other's company once the dominance is sorted out. There is still some jealousy over getting attention with mine, however, and always will be, I think. Whoever said dogs don't feel an emotion like jealousy was nuts. |
rfloch wrote: There is still some jealousy over getting attention with mine, however, and always will be, I think. Whoever said dogs don't feel an emotion like jealousy was nuts. Tonks and Luna are the same, and they've been together since day one, as litter mates. If Adam is giving Tonks affection, I'll do the same to Luna so that there is not jealousy over it. Its wierd; If Luna gets affection; Tonks is like "hey that looks like fun, can I get some too?" But when she comes to get some, Luna defends "her affection" with growling and it used to be fighting. But if its the other way around, if Tonks is getting affection, and Luna wants some too, Tonks is okay with sharing. |
| Another thought... One dog will end up being more dominant than the other. It may be Molly. You may think that is not "fair" because Maggie was there first, but that is purely a human concept. Accept their resolution of who is going to be top dog.
I have read that a dominant dog has more stress because it is natural to expect to be challenged and eventually supplanted as the alpha male or female. A subordinate dog knows his or her place in the world and accepts it happily. So if Maggie ends up being subordinate, be happy for her, she knows she is still part of the family and that is all she needs. |
| Hi!
I know this kind of behaviour.My older Lady does not want to share any of her toys if i will play with it with one of the other dogs.She is really getting angry if i do something like that.But if I tell her in a sever way to let the toy out she does it but not willingly. Susanne |
Alika wrote: Hi!
I know this kind of behaviour.My older Lady does not want to share any of her toys if i will play with it with one of the other dogs.She is really getting angry if i do something like that.But if I tell her in a sever way to let the toy out she does it but not willingly. Susanne I've read that some say to not reprimand the dog; instead support their position of dominance, even feeding the dominant dog first. But I have no first hand experience with this. Anyone want to weigh in? |
| i have a wannabe dominant female. I puposefully will feed her her snacks second when she is in a pushy mood. it seems to take some of the edge off her. my male is very docile though. my husbands male is a litle mor edominant and I often make him wait as well. it seems to make things run smoother for us, but then again we have 4 large dogs and I don't like it when they snarf at each other.
If one is resource guarding - be it food, toys or people - I won't stnad for it and correct the behavior. |
kerry wrote: If one is resource guarding - be it food, toys or people - I won't stnad for it and correct the behavior. I do the same. And I read somewhere, and my trainer supported it, that a good way for us to manage the weird hostility between my girls ( neither is truly dominant) is to do everything equally. they get treats at the same time; we were told that it would help them to make the association that everything good happens when they are together. |
| makes sense to me - its what I have always done anyway |
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