way off topic...pregnancy after having tubes tied...ANYONE??
Now my cycle is late, but I feel like it is still coming...all reg PMS symptoms are here. A couple different things tho almost 2 weeks ago, I was throwing up in the am for absolutely no reason at all...and it didn't happen again. I also can pee every 20 min...pressure but not a full bladder. I am not convinced I'm pregnant and that's why I haven't taken a test, but I might buy one tonight because, tommorrow I am 1 week late. I've only ever been late 2 times...pretty reg 28-30 day cycle. Anybody have this happen to them? Anybody have an eptopic pregnancy? Or was it a success? |
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| I finally decided to end the worry, last night went a bought a test. Took it this morning and it's was negative. I am not pregnant, just late I guess. |
| I didn't know how to reply to your first post. hehe
I thought when your tubes are tied, it's impossible to get pregnant? (shrugs) |
| Daisie,
I didn't reply to your first question because I've never been pregnant and wasn't sure if my advice was warrented. But i did a little research (hope you don't mind) and found that if it is an ectopic pregnancy it won't always register on a home pregnancy test. I'm not trying to make you worry or anything. But maybe if your period doesn't start soon talk to a doctor. |
| Yes, you CAN get pregnant after your tubes are tied. In some cases, they will come untied. Usually, now though, it's more common to have them cauterized, or cut & cauterized. In rare cases, even this can be reversed by Mother Nature. Our surgeon had me sign papers to the effect that we would not sue if I ever became pregnant after the surgery. He went to great lengths to explain to us that surgery, while very effective, is not 100% foolproof. |
| Hi Daisie,
After I had my first child at 16 I was told I couldn't get pregnant again due to a number of reasons. Then 10 years later...suprise!!! I quess medical knowledge can only tell us what to expect most of the time but there's always that little miracle that is the unknown factor. Let us know how it turns out for you and hugs to you in the meantime. Marianne |
| Thanks everyone,
If it doesn't come by early next week I will go in to see my doctor. I wouldn't be suprised at all by the body's ability to repair what's been done. It's been 4 yrs, and what I found on other websites to is that people who had a procedure done before 30 were at a higher risk of eptopics than anyone else...because of being so fertile. We got preggers so sickling easy, both times, and as a result my kids are only 14 mths apart. Someone told me if I do have an eptopic I will have major shoulder pain, so far no shoulder pain. But I still am hoping I'm just late, and my body has decided to play a trick on me and change up the cycle. It's a very mean trick, but nonetheless I'm glad I took a test. I just hope something shows up.  |
| I always thought it was "ectopic". Go figure.
Have you recently started a new job, a new exercise regimen or had unusual stress? I'm not a doctor, but I played one as a six year-old.  |
| Will yes you can get pg w/ tied tubes.In fact the long you have your tubes tied the bigger of a chance to get pg.My boyfriends cousin had her tubes tied for 8yrs and BOOM!!!she got pg w/ a healthy baby girl who is now 17.I actually had the same problem Dasie and it turned out to be my hormones.My tubes got tied 8yrs ago and I have been so regular you could time me to the clock then all of sudden nothing.Then the next month nothing.The 3rd month i said Im going to the doc,and of course they did a pg test and it was neg.What happens is some times women hormones get "stuck" and that causes your period to just not come even w/ all the pm's in the world still nothing.What needs to happen is go to the doc,and more than likely she will put you on a hormone for 10 days of each month til you get regular again.I started Dec.1 took them for 10days and got my "friend" around the 16th.Now I was supposed to take them again Jan.1 but w/ the move I forgot,and now Im late again.So I better take em i guess.I hope this has helped you some. |
Thanks Ron, I'm sure your right about that spelling...I didn't actually confirm. About playing doctor, hehehehehe...to be so innocent again 
That's what I read that people who had them done before they turned 30, have a higher chance of repairing, and getting pregnant...most often in the tube, very few make it through. I haven't change my diet or exercise, it's been to cold to do anything. I repainted my daughter's room, that was fun. Hubby has been stressed with work at the beginning of Jan..but it's passed. We haven't done anything significant, I always get a peak of energy the day or two before...last week I cleaned the carpets, moved furniture and painted Madelyn's room...not a big deal really....the rest of the time I've been reading, watching tv and on the computer. I feel really good. |
| interesting to know. i always thought that was why it was done. to ensure not ever getting pregnant.
daisie, my thoughts are with you. i am happy to hear you're feeling good  |
| With the hulka clips I had put on almost ten years ago there is a failure rate of almost 4%. I was going to get it reversed and decided I prefer dogs. LOL However if I get it done I have over a 90% chance of successfully getting pregnant.
The rate of failure goes up as the years go by, and the most common time for it to happen is either in the first year after sterilization or about 7 to 10 years after. I think my clock ticks too loudly sometimes which makes me want another, but then I shake my head! My kids are all growing up, I don't need babysitters, they are fairly independent and I am looking forward to enjoying that freedom so I can travel and show my dogs. If it did happen though I know I would be thrilled, and being a stay at home mom would once again be my priority. |
| You should have seen me when our son turned 6 mths, I regretted that decison so much, but now that 4 yrs have passed and I am looking forward to time to do something else. I want a job in a boarding kennel so that Remy can come with me everyday, and after school the kids can play there too. If I get hired by them, I board Remy there, we did obedience there, and she gets daycare there...I want to work there now.
But if I were to get pregnant, and this turns out not to be ectopic I would be thrilled to have one more. It's what I always wanted. As of today (Sun) still nothing, infact PMS symptoms are fading. I haven't told my husband I took a test, but I know he know it hasn't come yet. I also asked him to change the cats litter...just incase...he said no way...I would only do that if you weren't pregnant...and there is no way your pregnant. I like to suprise him, but I don't like to worry him until I have absolute proof something is going to be wrong. Once I get this problem confirmed by my doctor then I'll fill him in. I still don't think I can be...but I am still late. |
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Stress can sometimes make for late periods. After the holidays and all that may very well be the culprit. The last time I switched jobs I was totally stressed and in the same situation; which made me even more stressed. Before administering all of thesepre-employment, odd preventative booster shots they made me take a pregnancy test. About 2 hours after a negative response to the test all systems were go. 
Also, most pregnancy tests are only effective 5 weeks after a missed period. You might want to double check. (Anyone for pickles and peanut butter?) P.S. Playing doctor! That's awesomely funny! |
| I am having the same problem as Daisy. When I had my second child in 1992, I was late so my gyn did a test and it was negative. I was having cramping in the lower regions so I was put in the hospital to check my appendix, after 4 days in the hospital, many tests, and an estrogen shot I tested positive. I had my tubes tied after my 3rd c-section in 98 and here I am again. Last mo I had a bad one and this mo I am late. My doc said I have not ovulated in awhile (not sure how long), had some spotting, feel nauseaus, urinating a lot and negative test. Not sure what to think. Any thoughts? |
| Wow this is an old post...I was pregnant, the hcg level was pretty low, which didn't show up on an early preg test, so I was tested by the dr and when I got a positive, we miscarried about a week and a half later after. I was about 7 weeks, but we learned the baby was in the uterus and not in the tube....that was a huge relief.
So it is possible that your tubes opened, and if you are scared they should do a internal ultrasound to make sure you don't have an ectopic. We found out after I misscarried that the one tube was slightly open. Keep looking, and hopefully everything turns out okay. You might have a cyst? Have they looked for that? Bev |
| yes this is an old post, but i was reading it and maybe some of you that posted on here will read what i have to say.
I too had my tubes tied 4 yrs ago during c-section after our 4th boy and I got pregnant in Oct 2005,May 2006 and now currently pregnant. My HCG levels with the first two (that i miscarried ) were never over 500, but went to the DR today 8-5-06 and my level was 1128, so we are hopeing for them to DOUBLE by Mon and have a healthy full term pregnancy. So YES you CAN get pregnant if you have your tubes tied. Its an act of nature for them to sometimes grow back together and EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON
Best wishes to all |
| It is ectopic.
And it is possible to have a normal pregnancy ater having you tubes tied. I have had this happen to two friends, both within 3 years of having their tubes tied found out they were were pregnant and went on to have normal pregnancies and delieveries. |
| so?? any more news? |
Yes, it is very possible to get pregnant after a tubal. I had a tubal almost 19 years ago ( what they called putting rings on the tubes). Guess I lost the rings! I am now 44 years old and almost 3 months pregnant! At first I thought I was menopausal or pms symptoms, then another month went by and I thought omg I have a tumor or something that is making me sick. I go to the ob/gyn , they do an ultra sound and the doctor says here is your tumor! Surprise! Poor hubby will be 68 now when the baby graduates high school and he swears he won't live that long due to working overtime as it is. As for me... after raising 3 others I never thought I would see 35. I have to wonder.... what happened to those darn rings? hee hee |
| congratulations
I am glad it worked out for you, and I wish you all the best. We will be having a reversal or doing IVF...we are still waiting for some operating room time. |
| I'm just another 'net wanderer who happened upon this post...
First, it's definitely possible to get pregnant with your tubes tied. I had a modified pomeroy technique done in 2000 (cut, tied, burned) and found out I was pregnant in 2004. My third son was born on Oct. 16, 2004. It was the best thing that's ever happened to me since I very deeply regretted having my tubes tied in the first place. In late 2005 I had an exploratory procedure done to check the condition of my fallopian tubes. My fertility doctor found that neither of my fallopian tubes are connected and the ends are still scarred shut. How my third son managed to get here is still a great mystery. Anyway, because I couldn't get pregnant again naturally, we ended up going through IVF for baby #4. My baby girl is now five months old. |
| I have been reading alot on this supject. I had my tubes tied about 15 years ago and for the past few weeks I have had signs of pregnancy. I'm not sure if it is becasue I now want another child with my new husband that does not have any kids, or if I am pregnant.
I have been very tired lately; can't seem to sleep, I have an over active bladder so going to the bathroom a lot is normal for me but I now go more than before. I have read that it can happen, but the odd thing is we where talking about getting a tubal reversal or artificail insemination done. I know most females can tell if they are expecting or not but I am 35 years old is it possible I can be? HELP!!!!! |
| Go to your Doctor and have a test! |
| Yes, go to your doctor asap. It could be nothing, it could be a cyst on your ovary, it could be a pregnancy, even a misplaced ectopic pregnancy. In any case, you need to be seen by a doctor or at least an ob nurse practitioner. At 35, pregnancy would not be out of the question.
While rare, tubal ligations and vasectomies can both reverse themselves. One of my friends was born after his mother's tubal. Kid urned out really good, and was always the miracle baby of the family. Gave his parents a couple of grand kids, has a PhD, lovely wife and is a terrific person. I had a tubal when my youngest was born (4th c-section), knowing that while rare, there was a small possibility that I could still become pregnant. |
| I am new to this so please bear with me!!! I had my tubes tied with the fallope rings in Feb. 2002 and now i'm having symptoms of what I think is a pregnancy.I am never late and last month I was a few days late and when I finally did start I only spotted for a when days ( which is highly unusual for me!!). Can anyone relate to my situation or tell me what symptoms they had during a tubal pregnancy? I will enclose my e-mail address just in case anyone wants to e-mail
(Use this to email: http://forum.oes.org/profile.php?mode=email&u=2479 or this to send a PM http://forum.oes.org/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=2479 ). Thanks for your time everyone and may God Bless Each one of you!!!! Gin |
| Today. Now. Call your doctor. Seriously.
It is probably nothing to worry about, but if you are pregnant, you need to know asap. You can have either a normal pregnancy or a tubal pregnancy after a tubal. You can have periods after you become pregnant--I did with 2 of my pregnancies, but spotting is more common. If it is a tubal pregnancy, you really need to know ASAP. Cannot possibly diagnose over the internet or over the phone. You need an examination. Also, you should register so people can PM you. A moderator (and I'm not one) will remove your email address for you. |
| Thank you for replying to my post. I had a BHCG today and it came back -negative- but i'm just not sure if that is right. I still have alot of pressure in my pelvic area,frequent urination,breast tenderness and mild cramping/twinges. I thought I might be getting a UTI but that came back negative as well. Does anyone have any suggestions or have comments on what I should do next? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much, Gin |
| Hello,I don't know really what to tell you.?I am going through the same thing you are going through.my tubes has been tied for 2 yrs almost 3 after my twins.i have been lat before but i will come on a few days later.and now i have been tired and sleeping all day,nauseated moody and emotional.And my stomach is growing i have a pudge.and i if fliuter in my stomach.I took a preg at the hospital a week before my due period but it was negative.so i guess i should take another one now with me being 2 weeks late?somebdy please help me? |
| Hi my name is Jamie and I am a 29 year old mother of 4 children 19mo, 3, 7, and 10. I got my tubes tied right after our 4th was born because my husband felt 4 was enough for us and the urging of both mothers, we are EXTREMLY fertile. Anyways I dont keep good track of my periods, I havent had many of them since I nursed our littlest till just 6 months ago. Anyways I think it has been close to 2 months since my last and I just feel really sick all the time, nausated, bothered by smells, constinent headaches like I always got in pregnancys. The only thing I can relate feeling sick everyday to is pregnancy, because this was how I felt. I did take a test 2 weeks ago and negative, still no period. I guess I could maybe also have a cyst or something that is making me feel so sick???? I just dont know much about this all. What does everyone think??? Thanks so much for your time =) Jamie |
| I think you should call your doctor! |
Ron wrote: I think you should call your doctor!
Ditto.... |
Just for future...I had 2 ectopic pregnancies with in 1 year...about 20 years old...................................(not a good year).... 
about 20 YEARS...............AGO............. |
| Well Yes it is possible to get pregnant after a tubal is done,, I had a tubal after my 3rd child was born in 1995, 7 yrs later in 2002, GUESS WHAT?? I was sick, I had fevers, throwing up SICK omg soooo Sick, thought I had the worse case of the flu ever. Never thought about going to the Dr. cause my cycles have never been normal well this went on and on and never got better so i finally went to the Dr. and well I was pregnant.. I was about 6 weeks pregnant, After thinking it was the flu it happened to be a baby... Now she is a wonderful miracle 4 yrs old.. BUT also the weird thing about it.. The Dr. was in shock wondering how i got this way cause there was no tubes on either side for the (happy egg) to get there.. There was a piece of scar tissue smaller than an guitar string on one side but he still to this day says he does not know how,, He also through in my husband did not have swimmers swimming in he had jumpers....lol.
Now if that is not a Fertile I don't know what it is....  |
| I had my tubes tied 2 years ago. My period is pretty regular always around the 17th 20th at the latest. I am now a week late and really scared. I am a single mom of 3. My youngest 2's dad pops in and out of our lives. I stay at home with them. I have a very low income and can no way support another child. I am scared to take a home test, cause reading old posts I have learned it doesn't always show up. I am scared to go to the doctor. I know if it is stuck in my tubes it can be dangerous. I am just lost on what to do. I want to find out but am scared I will be having another. I cannot afford another child. But if I am I will love and figure a way out to earn more money to care for the child. Anyone have any advice? |
| I think you should call your doctor! |
| A friend of mine had her tubes cut, tied, and burned 5 years ago. She is due in November with her little miracle. You tell me. The doctor's have no explaination for her. So, yes, it CAN happen! |
| Tubal ligation is not at all the most effective form of contraception-- it's only 99.5% effective while the pill is 99.7% and new IUDs like Mirena are up to 99.9% when used perfectly. Vasectomies are more reliable and if you make the man do it, you don't have to go through any surgery or pain. Perfect! |
| I got my tubes tied 5 years ago and had my last period June 1st 2008 it is now July 24,2008. I'm about two weeks late. Always get period before my daugher. Well guess what not this month. Hers is here and gone! Don't want to get preg. test because I'm afraid of what it might come out as. Still hoping it comes everyday. Everyday I look and look and look!!!! |
Anonymous wrote: I got my tubes tied 5 years ago and had my last period June 1st 2008 it is now July 24,2008. I'm about two weeks late. Always get period before my daugher. Well guess what not this month. Hers is here and gone! Don't want to get preg. test because I'm afraid of what it might come out as. Still hoping it comes everyday. Everyday I look and look and look!!!!
Seriously. Take a PG test. Go to a clinic. Why look and look and look if you may need medical care??? |
rdf wrote: Anonymous wrote: I got my tubes tied 5 years ago and had my last period June 1st 2008 it is now July 24,2008. I'm about two weeks late. Always get period before my daugher. Well guess what not this month. Hers is here and gone! Don't want to get preg. test because I'm afraid of what it might come out as. Still hoping it comes everyday. Everyday I look and look and look!!!! Seriously. Take a PG test. Go to a clinic. Why look and look and look if you may need medical care??? Amen! |
Ron wrote: I think you should call your doctor! |
| Why is this thread still open?????? |
| It all started a week and a half ago ... after being sick of the 40 extra pounds on me from my last pregnancy which by the way was 4 YEARS ago I decided to join a gym and my first day I ran 4 miles in 30 minutes on the eliptical machine. I felt like I had discharge and went to the bathroom, looked down and was streaming blood. It had a fleshy odor different from a normal period. Reminded me of the odor after you have a baby and you bleed for a week or two. My period finishe two weeks before this! Anyhow, when I left the gym I stopped bleeding, then 2 days later I ran the 4 miles in 30 minutes again ... same thing happened. This has happened now a total of 4 times in a week and a half. My boobs hurt, I am bloated and can't fit in any of my clothes and have been gaining weight rapidly, I am at the heaviest I have ever been (non pregnant) even though I am exercising and eating healthy and less. I am also having to pee often! Then I remembered ... my last period a few weeks ago was very light and only lasted a few days opposed to the week it normaly sticks around for. Sounds like a no brainer that I am pregnant and should take a test right?
Here is the confusing part ... my tubes were not only tyed .. but cut, seperated and clamped ... growing back together for this type of tube tying is impossible right??? I have not made an appointment yet, not sure why .. scared, confused, don't want to know? Help! |
| It's baaaaack....the thread that wouldn't die.
Yikes I'm sorry that you are scared and confused. But as Ron said many times, call your doctor. An Internet bulletin board is not the appropriate place for medical information. |
| In this day and age people turn to the internet first in most cases. I think it is great to read up on other peoples stories and experiences. If I decided to just go to the doctor and not read any forums or articles on the internet, I would not know about many of the things I read ... my doctor would not go into detail of all the things other patients have gone in for. I am hoping I can post my experiences and see if these is anyone out there who is having or has had the same symptoms.
I am technically not late for my period yet, if my light period last month counted. So if I continue to feel all of these things and come up negative with a test I will obviously need to make an appointment to find out why these things are going on. However, in the mean time, if there is anyone out there with any thoughts, advice (other than go see a doctor) if anyone experienced bleeding from intense exercise etc.. I would love to hear it. Also, I think it is great that a Forum was so highly searchable and available and has not died after years ... dont' you? Thanks everyone! YIKES |
YIKES wrote: Also, I think it is great that a Forum was so highly searchable and available and has not died after years ... dont' you?
Thanks everyone! YIKES Though I agree that the longevity of the forum is great, this is a group for Old English Sheepdog lovers. Most of the people that have posted on this thread are just random people wondering if they're pregnant-- not forum members. This thread has kind of become the forum joke over the years because just when we think it's gone, a non-member comes in, posts and bring it back up again. That's why everyone is always like "Heeeeerrrrrreeeeee we go again." Plus, our advice is always the same. Since we're just dog people, the only real advice that we can offer is to go see a doctor. |
| PLEASE SEE YOUR DOCTOR |
| The internet has sites specific for health issue questions.
Advice here is to see your Doctor. |
| is it wrong that I am amused that the world of "scared I might be pregnant after having my tubes tied" would rather take the advice of Sheepdog owners than of their own doctors?
I think that our expertise as Dog Owners puts us in a great position to offer advice here. Perhaps we could ask these women when they went into heat last, and if there was there a stud present at the time..... 
Seriously? Why would you mess with this sort of thing? If your tubes are tied, cut, clamped, or just plain destroyed by disease (raises hand) and you get pregnant (which of course you can) your pregnancy will be ectopic which can be a life-threatening condition. Call your doctor, plain and simple. Of course, I could be dead wrong. After-all, I'm just a dog owner and not a doctor. |
| I cringe a bit at adding to this thread, but it is actually possible to conceive and carry a normal (i.e., non-ectopic) pregnancy after a tubal ligation. One of my friends was born about 5 years after his mom had her tubes tied. |
| i had my tubes tide almost 9 years ago my friend came early i spotted that day and the next day it was real heavy for 3 days then i spoted for 3 more days and now 2weeks went by and i spoted again and i had sharp pain every time i moved i haven't been feeling well and i have been real moody and i am going to the bathroom alot and always hunger is there anyway that i'm prego again you can email me at missd675@yahoo.com |
ButtersStotch wrote: Since we're just dog people, the only real advice that we can offer is to go see a doctor.
Yeah, we're dog people here. If you're not smart enough to consult with your doctor, we'll suggest you try a veterinarian. 
Please, please make this thread go away! 
(it's like a bad car accident... can't help looking) |
| you know; this thread does serve our community one service. I think by now we all know that having your tubes tied isn't a good method of birth control!
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| It is funny you can still find this. I had just wanted to know if it was possible cuz i want to get it done after i give birth.... |
| I am 34 years old with six kids 5 wiht my first marriage and one with my second marriage I convinced him that six was enough but he really wanted another child but I thought my body could not take it because of high blood pressure and other complications so I had my tubes tied just tied not burt or anything now my youngest is 5 years old and guess what I am 4 months pregnant with twins I thought about sueing the hospital but this was something that happens all the time so if you think your pregnant 9 times out of 10 you are
Denise [/i] |
| arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh ITS BACK AGAIN I guess you can always get spayed |
| This is amazing. I had to find a web site about dogs to figure out what was wrong with me. You may be sick of this, but your subject is a blessing to me and looks like a blessing to others as well. Regretfully, with little research done, I had my tubes tied seventeen months ago after my third child was born. I had an awsome birth experience and all was well until the next day that the surgery was done. I was totally unprepared and afterwards could not function. For two weeks I was sore and cramping. Found out all this was normal. As time went on I thought things should be getting back to normal. I breast fed my baby and wasn't expecting a period for some time( with other two breast fed children had no period for over a year) Six months later I was bloated, cramping, headaches, nausea and back pain. Thought something was major wrong. Afraid to go to the doctor but went anyway and he blamed it on stress. Checked me out and said if not better in a week, pelvic ultra sound. That night bleeding started like nothing I have ever had ( or could remember) Called doctor and he said great, you started your period. It started then. The heavy bloated, irregualr periods. Thinking I was pregnant some months becuase of the symptoms. Since then, I have had pregnancy tests, Pelvic exams, pelvic ultra sounds and a mamogram trying to figure out why I am so tired, moody, irregular, haevy bleeding, bloating, smelly discharge, ( thought I had VD and ready to divorce husband after 10 years of a good marriage) Breast tenderness, headaches. He had no solution other than it is not cancer, pregnancy, vd, or cysts. So after reading all of these womens stories and concerns I am realizing that these are actually symptoms that some woman will have for a long time after getting there tubes tied. Some and most docotors won't talk about it but I believe it is true. My body and my hormones are not the same and I directly link it to my tubal. So ladies, no you are not probably pregnant, ( although in some cases this happens) you are probably still having post tubal problems that I guess can linger for a long time. Please see a doctor and please voice your concerns with him or her. I know my husband and I chose to do this permanent thing and I so regret it and it kind of makes me laugh in the gloom that I thought I could do something to my body so permanant and not have to face any reprucussions for it. So thank you old sheepdog forum for making me realize I am not alone. And ladies may God bless each of you. |
| momof3; I think you are the first person to say " I know you are an online dog community, but..."
thanks for acknowledging what we are; I think many of us often wonder if these posters realize where they are posting. Good luck with your situation. |
| New to the group...
But this is funny. But I was just talking to my husband and asking him the same thing. I had told him that I am late. He said so what. Well I then said Im never late unless I was PG. I got my tubes done in Mar. 06' after my son was born. I have 2 boys that are disable, that's why I did it. I am 1 week past. We had sex 2 nights ago and used a condom so it would last longer and when we went to the bathroom to clean up. He said sit back down you started, theres blood on the condom. Well looked and wiped and nothing was there. I put in a tampon just in case I did over the night and it wouldnt be all over me. I got up and nothing there. I am very little spotting. Not sure whats going on. I guess I will wait til May 1. to go to the dr and see then before I freak out.... |
| im 23 yrs old and have 2 boys ages range from 5 yrs old to 13 months old. i recently got my tubes tied about 10 months ago. just like 3-4 weeks now im getting all the signs of being pregnant again. massive headaches, breast sore and irregular periods. Is pregnancy even an issue? can u even get pregnant when u have ur tubes tied. |
| Yes you can get pregnant after your tubes have been tied and it can be a dangerous thing. You should seek the advice of your doctor immediately! |
| TMI... |
| this is like the topic that wouldn't die...... |
| The thread that will never die....... |
| I understand that when you search topics on google and you click the link, you don't see the pictures or this format of the forum but don't people see the other entries where people get made fun of or the constant advice of, GET OFF THE INTERNET AND GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR!!!
For the forum people who want to see what these people see when they search this topic, click this link: http://www.oes.org/page2/8717~I_AM_preg ... _tied.html For those people who are not members and found us by accident or Google, GET OFF THE INTERNET AND GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR!!! I feel better now...These are the same people that made me stop riding ambulance! |
Maxmm wrote: I feel better now...These are the same people that made me stop riding ambulance! And the same people who keep calling the swine flu hotline in my city asking if they can get the swine flu from eating pork...OR, get this: (This was on the news last night)...People asked if it was okay to eat Mexican food. Come on, people... |
| Mexican food? |
Joahaeyo wrote: Mexican food?
I was in bed watching the 10pm news and I literally sat up in bed and said Are you kidding me! |
barney1 wrote: Joahaeyo wrote: Mexican food? I was in bed watching the 10pm news and I literally sat up in bed and said Are you kidding me! Unfortunately I think we underestimate the stupidity of many people who are totally xenophobic in this country. |
| OMG! thanks for making my day at work entertaining. I had a tubal just 2yrs ago. My periods have never been normal and was just looking to see what the different colors of spotting could mean. I've went to the doctor and he wasnt to conserned with it as long as i was eventually having a period. Its been 3 months so hopefully it starts soon. the longer i dont have it the worse pain I'm in when it does start. all my tests came back normal and figure if I start to have pains with it then i'll go see him again. never found out if she was pregnant or just late..... or maybe i skipped that one. lol. ....... ok back to work and its been entertaining. |
| Hi, I came across this forum when I too was having stress because I had a tubal and had missed my period and like everyone said I did go to the doctor thinking it may be an ectopic pregnancy and my doctor said if it were you have major cramping, so I wanted to let people know what was the cause of my missed periods. Well after a couple different doctors and some blood work, I have a tumor on my pituitary gland. It called a pituitary adenoma. They're rarely cancerous, but I guess they are actually very common. My tumor is causing the pituitary gland to overproduce too much prolactin which has totally threw my body out of whack. I have pregnancy symptoms and period symptoms at the same time. I had to go get an M.R.I. to see how much cell build up there was on my pituitary gland, if its a small amount they can give you medication, but mine is pretty big, I will probobly have to have surgery to remove it because it is putting pressure on my sinuses and optical nerve. Usually people will have sumptoms way before they get that big and will just have to take medication to shrink it. I never in a million years would have thought all my symptoms were from that, I figured maybe cysts? Or endometriosis. Noone I know has ever heard of this. My family physician took blood work for my thyroid thinking that was the reason I was missing my period and when that came back fine, then he was thinking it my be early menopause(I'm only 34) I don't think so !!!! I then decided it was time for a second opinion. And that doctor took more blood to test my prolactin. And when those levels are high there is cell buildup on your pituitary gland. Just google pituitary tumors, to get more information about this if you still haven't gotten answers. I hope this helps |
coleyred wrote: Hi, I came across this forum when I too was having stress
Sheepdogs, and their loveable antics can be great for stress relief! Glad the Sheepdog forum was able to help!!!! |
| I was reading the postings and I to got my tubes tied 9 years ago. I have been regretting it every since. There has been times when I thought I was pregnant. I have done research in surgery reversal , it cost alot. if I had that type of money all at once I dont know if I would get it done. I already have 6 kids . I guess thats something God would have to come in and handle |
| o/~ o/~ This is the song that never ends...it just goes on and on my friend! o/~ o/~ |
debcram wrote: o/~ o/~ This is the song that never ends...it just goes on and on my friend! o/~ o/~
Everytime I see this pop up, I know another doctor messed up. |
| This thread is like one of those horror/zombie movie creatures...it**just**wont**die! |
Abuckie wrote: Everytime I see this pop up, I know another doctor messed up.
LOL!! |
| Ok so I stumbled on this thread and read every single response, and I just had to say something...
number one...this is so hilarious. Makes a person wonder if the people that kept the thread goin with tubal experiences and pregnancy issues even read the remarks by the ppl with sheepdogs... number two...what also makes this incredibly funny is that on the side bar of the thread is the links to tick identification, heatworm stuff, and other canine subjects to read about. Number three...if I got a sheepdog puppy, do you think I could train it to coexist with four cats? number four...I was thinking that maybe someone should delete this thread so that maybe it won't pop up as an option to choose from about tubals and pregnancy! Lastly I don't think anyone that responded to this about women issues realized that the topic was started in 2005! Good luck everyone and if anyone has an answer to my question about sheepdog puppies, I'm grateful for it...have a great day! |
Loriana wrote: Ok so I stumbled on this thread and read every single response, and I just had to say something...
number one...this is so hilarious. Makes a person wonder if the people that kept the thread goin with tubal experiences and pregnancy issues even read the remarks by the ppl with sheepdogs... number two...what also makes this incredibly funny is that on the side bar of the thread is the links to tick identification, heatworm stuff, and other canine subjects to read about. Number three...if I got a sheepdog puppy, do you think I could train it to coexist with four cats? number four...I was thinking that maybe someone should delete this thread so that maybe it won't pop up as an option to choose from about tubals and pregnancy! Lastly I don't think anyone that responded to this about women issues realized that the topic was started in 2005! Good luck everyone and if anyone has an answer to my question about sheepdog puppies, I'm grateful for it...have a great day! Bravo to you, Loriana! One of the very first intelligent replies to this topic! Wanna talk about sheepies now? I'm ready, and welcome the good conversation!! |
| debcram wrote:
o/~ o/~ This is the song that never ends...it just goes on and on my friend! o/~ o/~ hey that brought back memories of sherry lewis and lambchop this is the song that never ends... but i to found this really funny but helpful also.my sister is going through this and is going to the doctor tomorrow.were were looking for info on pregnancy while tubes tied, and it led us here. so sorry . but this was helpful and funny. july1st.2009 lol |
| I will be 51 yrs. old in a couple weeks and had my tubes tied & cauterized as far as I can remember almost 26 yrs. ago. I bought a pregnancy test to make sure that I am not pregnant! Someone told me that when you are starting to go through your change you are more fertile which makes the chance greater. Anyone have this happen to them or know someone??? |
Anonymous wrote: debcram wrote:
o/~ o/~ This is the song that never ends...it just goes on and on my friend! o/~ o/~ hey that brought back memories of sherry lewis and lambchop this is the song that never ends... but i to found this really funny but helpful also.my sister is going through this and is going to the doctor tomorrow.were were looking for info on pregnancy while tubes tied, and it led us here. so sorry . but this was helpful and funny. july1st.2009 lol lol...i can see why it would show up in a search now, i still wonder what made the OP come here to post it. (hey, this was recently bumped, i'm not doing any naughtiness!) oh man when i was a kid we loved lambchop, charliehorse, sherry lewis - so great. i bet my son would love that now! bet there are videos out there... hope your sister is ok |
notisolde wrote: Anonymous wrote: debcram wrote: o/~ o/~ This is the song that never ends...it just goes on and on my friend! o/~ o/~ hey that brought back memories of sherry lewis and lambchop this is the song that never ends... but i to found this really funny but helpful also.my sister is going through this and is going to the doctor tomorrow.were were looking for info on pregnancy while tubes tied, and it led us here. so sorry . but this was helpful and funny. july1st.2009 lol lol...i can see why it would show up in a search now, i still wonder what made the OP come here to post it. (hey, this was recently bumped, i'm not doing any naughtiness!) oh man when i was a kid we loved lambchop, charliehorse, sherry lewis - so great. i bet my son would love that now! bet there are videos out there... hope your sister is ok The orig. poster was a member here, and, I guess was just discussing a personal issue with her forum friends. Im not sure why not in members only...perhaps that section didnt exist yet then??
Im glad to see that some folks have found this thread helpful...and amusing, though! |
| ok wait a second, i'm getting confused (what's new). now i remember realizing earlier how the thread started, given the forum it makes sense. i'm thinking of some other post halfway through this that didn't make any sense as to how it got here, but even that technically makes a little sense given the search engine result logic.
so i'm not really confused anymore, but confused how i got so confused! still, some of the responses made me giggle. i need a nap! |
| I just had a baby 12 weeks ago and my tubes tied. I haven't had a period since. I am not breast feeding. Any suggestions? |
| Best advice I can give you is check on the other "Tube Tying" thread and ask Sandee what she thinks. |
Do NONE of these people have doctors  |
bestdogsx4 wrote: Do NONE of these people have doctors
Obviously none that they care to pay for a medical opinion |
Ladybug wrote: I just had a baby 12 weeks ago and my tubes tied. I haven't had a period since. I am not breast feeding. Any suggestions? Yes. Call your doctor! |
Ron wrote: Ladybug wrote: I just had a baby 12 weeks ago and my tubes tied. I haven't had a period since. I am not breast feeding. Any suggestions? Yes. Call your doctor!I was going to say Vet-- but a doctor is a doctor I guess... |
Lori  |
| Okay..My dog Daisy got pregnant even though she was fixed! How do you think this happened? Is there any vets on this site that can tell me something..or should I pay a vet to tell me why?
I know your answer...I'll take her to my Obgyn tomorrow.. Thanks people for a good laugh on this thread.. I really need it! |
| LOL!!! |
| Daisy the same thing is happening to me, I´ve had my tubes tied for 5 years now and all of a sudden I feel strange, I also thought that it was my period coming its way and since I´m irregular with my period I didn´t think any of it but now days have passed and I started having the sensation like I am pregnant. I took 2 home pregnancy tests, the first one came positive but the second one negative so I thought that the second one was the real one but the feeling I have of being pregnant hasn´t gone away. Now, I´m pretty excited because I do regret doing it, so I´m hoping it is positive. Today I went to do a blood test so I can really be sure but they will not give me the answer until tomorrow. I´m desperate to know and I just can´t wait too long. |
| Note to Vanessa, study real, real hard and take the test again. |
Hey, at least she went to the Dr. to get a blood test done and didn't ask us whether we thought she was pregnant. Maybe we should start a spin the "yes or no" wheel. Then we can give better advice after spinning it for them.  |
A WHEEL! You want to spin a WHEEL!  I've been using the Ouija Board and a quick reference to the Quatrains of Nostradamus. Maybe the Wheel thing might work. |
| relax, just to keep busy, start planning for a new pup to go with. |
Anonymous wrote: relax, just to keep busy, start planning for a new pup to go with.
ahh - another "wither"!!! |
Daisie wrote: I finally decided to end the worry, last night went a bought a test. Took it this morning and it's was negative. I am not pregnant, just late I guess.
I am pregnant and I have had a negative HCG both blood and Urine, have had tubes tied for 6 years now...So goes to say the docs are wrong, you know your self so trust your instincts!! |
| I want to get pregnant again but im not sure if i can because i had my tubes clipped and burnt so i am trying to figure out if it is possible to get them reversed. My tubes have been tied for almost 7 years now. Is there something that i can do to help out mother nature? |
| Groan....... |
| I am stopping right here before I embarrass myself with my response |
| If any of our potential new mothers have any questions about having their offsprings tails docked this is the place to find out. |
| we can also make suggestions on what puppy food to try, how to "house break" your kid, and have varying opinions regarding training methods. However, we ALWAYS suggest going with a reputable breeder, and I'm not sure any of these people would qualify. |
| Are there THREE of these threads? I think we should have them tied. |
| Oh my god! I am laughing my [buns] off right now. How did this start? All these people posting about sex and tubal ligation and periods on a Dog forum. That is some funny [stuff]! By the way...I got my tubes tied 1 year ago and think I might be prego.....Just kidding I Love it!  |
Daisie wrote: I have a really weird, almost impossible chance that I could be pregnant. Without going into great detail, I've had my tubes tied for 4 years now. Until now we have never had any scares...but in Dec at peak ovulation...hubby and I were how do I saw...extra friendly Now my cycle is late, but I feel like it is still coming...all reg PMS symptoms are here. A couple different things tho almost 2 weeks ago, I was throwing up in the am for absolutely no reason at all...and it didn't happen again. I also can pee every 20 min...pressure but not a full bladder. I am not convinced I'm pregnant and that's why I haven't taken a test, but I might buy one tonight because, tommorrow I am 1 week late. I've only ever been late 2 times...pretty reg 28-30 day cycle. Anybody have this happen to them? Anybody have an eptopic pregnancy? Or was it a success? Ive had the same thing happen to me recently, where i thought i was pregnant , i got my tubes tied 8 years ago, but this year i was feeling pregnant, so i started researching, and came up with everything everyone else is writing you.......but then my period didnt come for months, and i had pregnant symptoms. How old are you, i belive im going into premenopause, then my period came very heavy and painful, i have hot flashes, and cold sweats, now i feel pregnant again. If there is a chance that its an eptopic pregnancy for you, you should go to the doctor, because it doesnt always show up on the pregnancy tests, i took 3 and negative, eventually i think i will be going to see a doctor, also an ectopic pregnancy, the baby doesnt get all its nutriens in the area where its growing, and as far as i read, the fetus cannot be moved, to the proper area.......I wish you all the luck, in finding out whats going on, and i hope your just late, this is driving me nuts. good luck! =) |
| OMG this is the funniest forum I have ever seen!! Totally made my day!! |
| I've always kind of wished that all these posters would come back and let us know if any of them actually WERE pregnant... |
| Me too. But lately I spend more time hoping posters that haven't posted in awhile like you come back! |
| I hear Mrs. J is pregnant again; Mrs J, were your tubes tied? Can you offer any sage advice for the poor women that post here, looking for sound medical advice, and finding nothing but sarcastic dog owners? |
| We need that thumbs up feature when you like something. |
| You guys need to find a way to close this topic. When doing a search this was the first one to come up. If it is that big of a deal to you, do something about it! Your rude comments help noone, even yourself. Sometimes it is good to do research BEFORE you go to the doctor, not that you aren't going. |
| It's back!!! |
| And to think some people or shall we say "Guests" are offended by it. |
| I love how this is the first thing to come up in a search on the topic! |
Laurel is this your doing?? Did you cause some sort of weird thing to happen by nominating another thread as your new favorite??  |
Mim wrote: Laurel is this your doing?? Did you cause some sort of weird thing to happen by nominating another thread as your new favorite?? Whoah! Hey now...I thought we all agreed that YOU were the official forum trouble instigator!? |
| Where are my silver bullets or a nice wooden stake..............?? |
| My mother had two more kids after getting her tubes done. I was meant to be the spoiled youngest of four kids, and instead I ended up a middle child of six! So unfair. I should go back and sue that doctor. Mind you, I wouldn't trade my little sisters for anything. But still, I should get some kind of compensation, right? |
| ok super weird, 1 that anyone can just post on these threads, and 2 that when you google, pregnancy after tubal ligation... this thread pops up... just sayin... |
Guest wrote: ok super weird, 1 that anyone can just post on these threads, and 2 that when you google, pregnancy after tubal ligation... this thread pops up... just sayin... It is all part of a super secret plot to turn everyone into Old English Sheepdog fans.  |
| hello everyone my name is denise i'm 29yrs.old in i have to beautiful boys 11,6yrs.old. i had my tubes tied when i had c-section with my second child and i haven't had a period in 3months could i be pregnant. |
| You could be, and if you are you might be at high risk for an ectopic pregnancy, which could be dangerous if not treated. Please call your doctor. |
| Ron, have you found yourself to be a much greater expert on post-tubal ligation pregnancies than you ever imagine you'd be when starting this board? |
| Indubitably. Although I spent a year as a security guard at the fur salon in a high end department store, and learned everything there is to know about hysterectomies. I guess I just have the kind of face ladies can trust. |
Ron wrote: Indubitably. Although I spent a year as a security guard at the fur salon in a high end department store, and learned everything there is to know about hysterectomies. I guess I just have the kind of face ladies can trust. ROFLMAO!!!  go Ron! |
| Okay you cant always count on a doctor i went to the doctor three months before i got pregnant with my daughter and they did a pee test they checked me and they did a blood test i went back to get the results the next day and the nurse was very rude to me told me that me thinking i was pregnant was in my head i was soooo upset i thought i was going nuts but i had already had two kids and i know my body i just new i was pregnant and bam the next day i was in the hospital having a miscarriage i was so mad and hurt.........then 3months to the day i got pregnant with my daughter and i had her almost 5 years ago and my tubes were tied and now i think im pregnant again .....and i went to the doctor and once again they said im not pregnant told me to take meds to start my period and i refused im going to get an ultra sound done at the hospital............dont always listen to your doctor...trust your body trust how you feel because sometimes its what matters |
| Or MAYBE try another Dr and AND another CONTRACEPTIVE Once is an accident. Twice is plain ignorance. Just sayin |
| I have 4 children, after my 3 rd child i had decided to have my tubes tied. I was having a cesarian due to the fact that she was breached so was having tubal at the same time. 18 months latter I realized i was 2 wks late for period so decided to take a dollar store preg test. Came back positive, we were shocked. Called my ob doc right away an they brung me in same day for preg test, came back positive then they immediately sent me for an ultrasound because after tubals chances are if.you are pregnant its in your fallopian tubes. After a.nerve wrecking.ride to jospital for ultrasound the tech immediately showed us and said that is your baby an its right where its supposed to be. So long story short he was born 8 months latter a healthy bouncing baby boy. Which was a miracle to me and my.husband. .. Also a few wks before i was late for period i was throwing up and had the chills for almost a wk. Dont know if it had something to do with anything... So just becaise your tubes are tied it is not 100%. My son is now 5 and ge is living proof.... |
| Hate to add to the "Sheep Dog" thread for non-sheep dog issues, but wanted to correct and educate a few people. The reason people keep posting about this subject instead of "seeing their doctor" is because ectopic pregnancies don't often show on urine tests, even ones done by doctors, so they need a blood test, but sometimes the doctor doesn't offer that. He gives you the pee test, and says, nope you are not pregnant, even though you might be, just because it is cheaper and less time consuming then sending out lab work. Some people ARE going to their doctor, and are being told they are NOT pregnant, and then find out they WERE and had a miscarriage. I have had three miscarriages after having a tubal ligation 16 years ago. It is possible for a post-tubal pregnancy to be ectopic. It is possible for it not to be ectopic, but to still be a miscarriage. It can also be a viable pregnancy and can result in a child. These are all possibilities. The reason these women are so desperate for answers that they will respond to a thread ANYWHERE, even in a sheep dog forum is that many doctors, instead of listening to patients, blow them off and placate them instead of doing all of the expensive tests that need to happen to see "YES or NO" Can this woman still get pregnant after a tubal. A woman can have a laproscopy done, where they use dye to see if the tubal ligation is effective or not, but this is not cheap, and if you have no insurance, good luck. It could also be fibroids, causing tenderness, endemitriosis, a tumor, early menopause, or many other things and many doctors don't want to test for all of these things just because a woman says "she feels weird." Yes, you should definitely see a doctor, but comparing notes, helps women know what questions they should be asking, and what tests they should be asking for, so they can get the right information. I realize you are a "Sheep Dog" forum and think everyone posting here is a complete idiot, but understand that a lot of these women have been given bad information, and "a lot of it by doctors" and are desperate to find out why. Imagine if you just started passing blod clots the size of a softball like I did, or spurting blood with no explanation, like I did the second time. so you saw your doctor, and your doctor told you that you were fine. wouldn't you want to go to a forum instead of finding out later that you were in the middle of a miscarriage and didn't even know it? When I looked up this subject, I had no clue it was a sheepdog forum until I read about 15 entries. I just wanted answers to a question I had and to compare notes with other women like me. These are women desperate for answers, and you shouldn't mock them for it. I am sorry I disturbed the all important, life-altering "sheep dog" topic with a silly little thing like medical information again, but wanted to make sure the women reading are not getting misinformation here. Yes, see your doctor, but do some research and ask lots of questions too. Your doctor could be wrong like mine was. Thanks! |
| Really. If I was having baseball size clots I would be at the ER, same place if I were spurting blood. From anywhere. Any person with any sense would be. If you aren't getting answers from your doctor, find another one pronto. I think that is really common sense, not finding answers on a dog forum. I know this thread comes up on searches quite frequently, but you'd think a person would at least find out what kind of forum it is before posting. or not.... Shellie |
| ROTFLMAO! "anothernonsheepdog girl" needs to RELAX!!! |
| I had to write a reply, this could go down in history as the randomest pregant after sterilisation thread ever. and I just want to be part of it. I cannot believe how long it has been going. And YES. anyone can post |
| oh and for the record, old english sheep dogs are soooooo cute! |
Guest wrote: oh and for the record, old english sheep dogs are soooooo cute! The thread is just part of our secret plot to convert everyone to Old English Sheepdog lovers! Although my mother really did have two more kids after having her tubes done... |
| I can't believe I've just sat here and read through all ten pages of this thread.... Well, I've learned that when I grow up (lol) if I get my tubes tied, I COULD get pregnant and if I think I'm pregnant, to please call my doctor. |
KaylesK wrote: I can't believe I've just sat here and read through all ten pages of this thread.... Well, I've learned that when I grow up (lol) if I get my tubes tied, I COULD get pregnant and if I think I'm pregnant, to please call my doctor. This thread offers several good lessons: 1-Sure, its possible  2-When in doubt, call your Doctor 3-Get a second opinion *and most importantly, 3- When googling for advise/info on the internet, ALWAYS check to see exactly what sort of website you are actually on! |
ravenmoonart wrote: KaylesK wrote: I can't believe I've just sat here and read through all ten pages of this thread.... Well, I've learned that when I grow up (lol) if I get my tubes tied, I COULD get pregnant and if I think I'm pregnant, to please call my doctor. This thread offers several good lessons: 1-Sure, its possible 2-When in doubt, call your Doctor 3-Get a second opinion *and most importantly, 3- When googling for advise/info on the internet, ALWAYS check to see exactly what sort of website you are actually on! |
| I can't believe this thread has popped up again. Is someone playing a joke on me?? I just posted a little while ago that I missed this thread as it hadn't cropped up in ages. |
| Really? These are the best responses to make to someone who is attempting to explain why someone would be so desperate as to look on the internet for answers to serious medical questions? I am so glad that you all have access to a plentiful supply of excellent, caring medical doctors and nurses who are willing to take their time with you, listen to you, take you seriously, give good advice, including offering follow ups. Not everyone, including people who are intelligent and well educated are so lucky. With my first pregnancy, I had multiple doctor's offices refuse to make an appointment for me because they were sure I could not be pregnant. I was and finally was seen by a doctor when I was 4 months pregnant. My first phone call was when I was about 6 weeks pregnant. Because I hadn't missed a period (something that happened with my last pregnancy as well. Unusual, but it happens). Even then, the doctors refused to believe me when I told them when I thought I had conceived or when I first felt movement and kept insisting that my due date was a full month earlier than it was. Ultrasounds were very rare in those days and were not found in doctor's offices or in many hospitals. And kept insisting week after week for all 4 weeks after I passed 'their' version of my due date. My son was born exactly when I thought he would be. More than one friend has been born after his/her mother's tubal ligation. Or father's vasectomy. About a year after my daughter was born, I was experiencing some unusual symptoms: prolonged and frequent bleeding. I was due for my yearly exam and my gyn found nothing, speculated that it was just my body re-adjusting itself and telling me to call if it got worse and to re-schedule if it hadn't resolved within 3 months. But I was moving out of state and could not be back. She looked me square in the eye and told me to follow the same advice when I got to my new home. If my symptoms were not dramatically improving or resolved within 3 months, to find a gyn. in my new area. Which I did. And had to wait a couple of additional months for an appointment in the only clinic with an ob/gyn in town. After showing up to my appointment, the doctor, who had never seen me before in his life, refused to do an exam because I was too young to have cancer and had been seen in another state less than 6 months before. He told me that the bleeding wasn't a problem, although I was bleeding 3 out of 4 weeks, and I'm not talking just spotting. I'm talking very heavy most of the time. What are we told, over and over again? To seek medical help and advice if there is any unusual bleeding? Can you imagine how panicked I felt, particularly since among the symptoms included severe PMS like emotional swings, difficulty sleeping. Oh, and I was really, really tired. Especially since I was chasing 4 young children all day on no sleep while bleeding like a stuck pig most of the time. Did I mention that I was an emotional wreck by this time? I went into the parking lot, sat in my car, and cried. And began trying to network in my very standoffish town to find an alternative. The only other guy around was in the same practice but was almost impossible to get an appointment with. Eventually, I did, only to have him called away on an emergency just as I was preparing to go to the exam room. The appointment desk would not re-schedule me for months unless I wanted to see the first useless guy. Even though the nurse had told me to insist that I get the next available appointment. There was no internet. In my old area, I had access to medical journals and medical libraries, not to mention a wide choice of ob/gyn care. In my new area, it took a while to figure out how to get the right insurance choice that would allow me to see a doctor outside of my town. In the meantime, I read every single woman's magazine with articles about gyn problems I could find, until I finally found an article that exactly described my symptoms. Armed with this potential answer, I finally got an appointment with another ob/gyn in another town --actually, another state as I live on the border of two states--and this one actually listened to me, agreed that my symptoms possibly matched the diagnosis I had discovered in a woman's magazine and ordered the appropriate tests. It turns out I was right, and a short course of meds resolved the situation. But the whole process took nearly 2 years after I saw the first doctor in my new state. Not every doctor actually listens to patients. Not every woman has unlimited access to a variety of medical practitioners--or even one. If you bothered to actually read anothernonsheepdog girl's post, you would see that she wasn't asking for medical advice after passing a huge clot or bleeding profusely: she was relating not getting the medical attention she sought prior to those two miscarriages. and attempting to make some compassion challenged people understand the desperation that a woman might find when she was getting no medical help or bad medical advice, sometimes FROM HER DOCTOR. Which is the experience of more than one poster in this forum who got to be ridiculed AGAIN by a largely female audience. Even when more than one poster attempted to explain how these questions end up on a dog forum. So, in addition to doctors not listening, apparently now it's ok to spout off without actually reading what people write. Yes, we stand together, we women do. There are really nice people on this forum and we can really come together for one another. We have no problem sharing medical advice and information with one another and relating our experiences and offering suggestions. But sometimes, we are just asses. |
| Actually I did read all the posts before I replied. And actually I stand by everything I wrote. When you had problems you went and educated yourself, you did not go to a vet for advice. If you aren't getting the help you need you go to another doctor, or even just call. Sometimes you have to make some noise to get what you need. Sometimes you are the only one who can take care of you. I think you might be having a bad day. I'm sorry about that, but calling us asses is unwarranted. And btw- it is a dog forum even to outsiders. Shellie |
| tgir - good for you for getting the help that you obviously needed! I'm sorry if I offended you with my comment. I do, however, agree with Shellie. I did read the post and my laughter and "relax" came from anothernonsheepdog's comment and obvious frustration with our DOG FORUM comments/teasing "I am sorry I disturbed the all important, life-altering "sheep dog" topic with a silly little thing like medical information"... As much as it offends some people, and I'm sorry for that, this thread is a reoccuring joke to a lot of us...It's an OES forum not a place to go for medical advice... |
| As I recall, this thread (or one quite similar) was started by someone who was later quite embarrassed by what they had revealed and asked for it to be removed. Instead it's become the #1 source of humor to forum members, which is good because sometimes things get a bit too intense here and a little fun is nice. Why anyone would reveal so much about something so intimately personal about themselves is beyond me, let alone on a sheepdog forum! Those things generally come back to bite a person in the butt somehow. Maybe we all feel like everyone else here is our friend but that's not necessarily true. As much fun as this thread has been, maybe it's time to just get rid of the whole thing? Some people just can't take a joke. I find the details of all these serious people's inability to reproduce rather disgusting and sad that they can't come up with somewhere more appropriate to discuss intimate issues. Besides, a fair amount of them have to be hoaxes just to keep the thread alive. If the people who come here seriously seeking help and read all of the comments, they really can't be too bright.  No, people who are grossed out by this don't have to read it but it's like a bad accident: a person can't help but look. |
| just my 2 cents...not worth much... but I think this thread should be totally deleted that way when its googled it no longer comes up and these women can find help from a better place than a dog forum. JMO. |
tgir wrote: I am so glad that you all have access to a plentiful supply of excellent, caring medical doctors and nurses who are willing to take their time with you, listen to you, take you seriously, give good advice, including offering follow ups. I have endured 12 years of idiot doctors and thoughtless practitioners pertaining to my endometriosis, fertility, and an undiagnosed bowel condition, all of which are related. One of whom couldn't even remember my name, let alone what I suffered from, over the 10 visits in 5 months that he saw me. At NO TIME did I log onto the internet and ask a bunch of pet owners for their advice regarding my condition. Instead, I used the internet to educate myself on my condition, and seek new doctors. When I was first diagnosed, I didn't even know what I had, and stared blankly at the open prescription of pain killers my doctor prescribed me, wondering "wait; I thought my surgery cured me?". I EDUCATED myself; I bought books, and I researched the subject online, and I visited doctors and accupuncturists, and herbologists, ERs, and even holistic healers. I've been through maybe a dozen different doctors before I found ones that could help and diagnose me. And I found them on the Mayo Clinic website, something specifically health related, not on a pet related forum. I appreciate what you are trying to say; but I don't think these people landing here is good for them. What if they are truly in trouble, sitting in front of their monitor, instead of going to the ER? Maybe they don't have a doctor; maybe due to our country's screwed up health care system they don't have insurance-- I know I didn't for 8 years. But then you find a clinic, a teaching hospital or your stroll into the ER where its against the law for them to turn you away. Will dog owners be able to help these people? No. So isn't it best if we let them know sooner rather than later that they really, for their own sake and the sake of what might be their unborn child, find help in the proper places? |
| I don't see how my seeking information from the same magazines that advise me what color to paint my living room, what products to use to clean my bathroom and what moisturizer I should use is any different from entering my question in a search engine. The only real difference is there was no internet when I was on my quest for decent information. Multiple people have explained that just by typing in the query about whether or not it is possible to get pregnant after a tubal ligation, they end up on this site, not on the forum's home page, but in a thread about just that topic. How stupid of them. @shellie: the last I looked, this is not a vet site, as you mentioned. They did an internet search. Ended up here. Where, guess what? We offer each other all kinds of advice about all sorts of subjects not related to sheepdogs, including: medical issues. @ everybody who says they should educate themselves: I guess I thought that's what they were trying to do. Some of them after getting poor response from the medical community. Everyone who lives in a large metropolitan area with lots of choices for medical providers and with health insurance: you're lucky. The scarcity of medical facilities in rural U.S. is no joke. And no, the ER won't do a pregnancy test for you unless you are having some pretty severe (i.e. emergency like) symptoms. At least one person recently tried to explain why people ended up here and posting on this forum and talked, briefly, about her issues, including two very frightening miscarriages. I would have thought that would have warranted a little bit of compassion instead of ridicule. I thought we were nicer than that. |
| **tgir- I'm not sure how you keep misunderstanding what we write. I specifically mentioned it being a DOG forum, not a vet site. I was remarking that you didn't go to a vet for help only because you stressed that there was no internet way back then. We do offer each other help and sometimes of a medical nature, however it is usually in a members only area, and rarely to total strangers who find our forum through a search. You don't really educate yourself through advice on a forum. *I understand you don't go to the er for a pregnancy test, but if you are having blood clots the size of baseballs or are spurting blood from anywhere they will generally help you out. **I'm not sure what the heck I did to piss you off so bad, but this is just silly. You seem unusually angry about this - I'm so sorry if I am the cause. This is really getting childish. Frankly, I don't have the time or the need for this particular sillyness. I hope you have a much better day today. And BTW I Love this thread. It amuses me to no end. Just when I think it is going away - it pops up again. It's so much better than reality tv, because I am SURE this is totally unscripted!  Shellie |
| tgir; when I was first diagnosed, there was no internet, I had little money and no health insurance. I used to go to Barnes and Nobles, buy a cup of coffee and sit in their cafe and READ all the books they had on my condition. If one book was particularly helpful, I'd buy it, I'd highlight everything of interest, and only then would I spend the money to go to my doctor and make him answer my questions to everything I'd marked in the book. The day my doctor said "I don't have time for this" was the day I went to find YET another doctor. I had few resources, and I persevered under very difficult health conditions, for a very long time. I used Planned Parenthood and our local teaching hospital's clinic (a 90 minute bus ride for me) because it's what I could afford. I'm sorry, but one cannot use bad doctors and no money as an excuse; as a patient its your obligation to take control of your health. If you don't do so, then of course you will be a victim of those people that don't care. And really, if you don't care enough to demand the proper treatment, why should they care to give it? Because thats a promise they made when they got out of medical school? I've met more doctors that simply fill the hours between t-off times seeing as many patients as possible, and that don't give a damned about whatever reason they might have wanted to be a doctor in the first place (assuming that it wasn't a financially driven decision). No, its up to us to demand we get treated well. And that starts with acknowledging something is wrong and doing something about it BEYOND posting on the internet in ANY forum. Sure, we could be compassionate and hold these people's hands and tell them everything will be okay. But here's my concern: these are ignorant people. There, I've said it. Whether they are afraid and stressed and just not thinking, or truly under-educated, they aren't being terribly smart by posting here. They do a google search, find a thread and post. They don't read back to see what others have said, maybe answering their own questions (and in the process seeing that this is a message board that really cannot help them). They don't see the giant logo in the upper left hand corner, featuring a dog and the name of the message board. They don't notice that most of the posters have icons that feature a very specific kind of dog. There are lots of signs that say "you've come to the wrong place" should they be smart enough to see and process them. We could coddle these people, or we could burst their bubble, and urge them to call a health care practitioner, or even go to the hospital. Many times, these posts contain details that should be red flags that they NEED to be seen by a doctor. It's dangerous for them to be sitting home, posting online about such symptoms, when they should be off to an ER. I've been in a similar position to most of these posters; perhaps its why I'm less tolerant and understanding of them posting. When I was bleeding from somewhere I shouldn't have been, I raced to the ER. This has happened SIX TIMES. I'm still paying those bills. But at least I know that my condition (and my decisions regarding it) wasn't going to jeopardize my life, or the life of my unborn child. Really? I like to think that for every person that does post, a dozen or more read first, and don't post. They call their doctors, or get in the car and head to a hospital. Maybe they just search for a different, more appropriate forum to air their concerns. But if all our posts have helped someone to say "I need to get the help of a doctor, pronto!" then our posting, and even making jokes about this, has helped. My 2 cents; sorry its turned out to be so long; Allison |
| Of course people end up here by accident and of course this is not the place for this sort of medical advice. Many times, people simply respond by suggesting seeking out medical help. Sometimes, people respond with ridicule. What sent me over the edge was when one poster attempted to explain how this happens, and related her own medical emergencies---mind you: she wasn't asking what to do, but merely using her own personal experience to try to put a human face on the desperation some women feel--she was told maybe she just needed to relax. Not what I would hope to have be the response to anybody who related the story of two miscarriages. As difficult as your experiences have been, there have been many books written about endometriosis and women's health in general. And, you have the resources (both money and access to bookstores and libraries--and a very supportive husband) that many women lack. You are still paying medical bills. For many woman, it is truly a choice between going to an unhelpful (for these women) doctor or paying rent. Or buying food for the kids they already have. There is nothing wrong with ignorance. I see these women as trying to address their ignorance by asking for advice and help. I do see something very wrong with ridiculing someone who is relating a painful experience. |
| Yes, but if they are as lacking in resources as you seem to think, then they wouldn't have access to the internet to even find this forum, would they? Anyone who reads anything on this thread has got to realize it's a joke. I still believe that there are a lot of these "serious" posts that are actually hoaxes just to keep the joke going. |
| I'm going with the hoax theory, it's a good theory. I can't believe there are that many women who are such "victims" of their lives that they cannot find real help or answers other than this forum. And let's get real, how many of them really come back after their first humiliating post? *tgir this thread is really old. Just curious, why's this got you so upset after all this time? I didn't mean to upset you, truly. I'd really hate to see this thread locked after all this time just because I ruffled your feathers. Ron- please don't lock it. It's been such a great thread....  Shellie |
| tgir- I have a supporting husband NOW. I was all alone for the first 6 years of my disease. And back then, no one I knew had ever heard of it. I was my GYN's only patient with it, and I didn't have any money. I was living in low-income housing and using Planned Parenthood and my hospital's free teaching clinic as my go-to for health care. I went to the book store and paid for coffee so I could sit in the cafe and read the books for free. I'm sorry- where there's a will there's a way. And there's no excuse for not educating yourself and being your own advocate when it comes to your health. |
| What you don't seem to understand is that people posting here are trying to educate themselves. So, they use a different route than you used. So chance took them here. I cannot understand how this merits such contempt. Access differs a great deal in rural vs urban areas (I've lived in both) and having a background of education vs not so much formal education. It is not any wonder that people don't post a second time. Mostly they are advised to try a medical provider (and some have with poor results. It's not fun when there are NO other options available in your location. Been there. Done that.) Which is sensible. But other times, their inquiries have been met with ridicule and contempt I cannot begin to fathom. The women who have posted are trying to find more information and yes, gasp: support. I can say with a great deal of certainty that I will never experience a day so good or so bad that the replies to anothernonsheepdog girl's post attempting to explain the desperation that has led some women to try to find support and information on this forum as well as a description of multiple miscarriages could justifiably include the following: Shellie wrote: Really. If I was having baseball size clots I would be at the ER, same place if I were spurting blood. From anywhere. Any person with any sense would be. If you aren't getting answers from your doctor, find another one pronto. I think that is really common sense, not finding answers on a dog forum. I know this thread comes up on searches quite frequently, but you'd think a person would at least find out what kind of forum it is before posting. or not.... Shellie (she wasn't asking what she should do in these circumstances, just saying that these were events she experienced) or this New OES Mama wrote: ROTFLMAO! "anothernonsheepdog girl" needs to RELAX!!! I have tried and tried and cannot see how such responses were justifiable. No matter what kind of day I am having. |
| I was not telling her what to do, I was saying what I would do if it were me. Whatever. Nothing I say is going to be ok with you dear. I just refuse to be a victim, you clearly have a different approach. Shellie |
| Wow...I missed most of this somehow. I agree with several people who have said they think maybe its time for this (and related) thread(s) to go away. Just my 2 cents here, but, the VAST majority of the humor in this thread comes NOT from mocking individual posters, but in the weirdness of how the thread itself keeps popping back up at utterly random times. tgir, it you have personal experience that helps you to understand and empathize with these guest posters, then by all means, offer them support and compassion and advise! Most of the rest of us can ONLY offer "see a doctor/get a second opinion, and by the way your asking in the wrong place" because anything else could be dangerously inaccurate information. The guest poster who got so upset at this thread said she was concerned women might be getting "misinformation" here...well, most of the many replies we've made have been (with varying levels of snarkiness, granted) basically: "WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING! WE ARE A DOG FORUM!" This is just honesty, and letting them know to look elsewhere. Much better (in my opinion) that they have a slightly embarrassing moment of realizing that they are posting in an inappropriate place, than to sit there (bleeding? In pain?) waiting for advise that isnt really available here. |
| god that was intense reading..... just thought id add on the thread.... |
| OMG... I love this... so funny... I'm sure that this is the longest running joke on this sheep dog forum... I laughed so hard reading all the responses from all the members of this site |
| I had my tubes tied after I had my second child.... needless to say I have a 14 yr old daughter, my second child was only 9 months when I found out, and my daughter was born healthy. So I believe that God pretty much says when and I agree I love my daughter ....my first two were boys so I needed a girl. |
| Ok... the only thing I have to say here is that I read about 4 dozen comments here before I even realized that this was a Sheepdog website... When I put my search into google, this site came up on the first page! Love it! |
| Yes, it is very possible to get pregnant after a tubal. I had a tubal almost 19 years ago ( what they called putting rings on the tubes). Guess I lost the rings! I am now 44 years old and almost 3 months pregnant! At first I thought I was menopausal or pms symptoms, then another month went by and I thought omg I have a tumor or something that is making me sick. I go to the ob/gyn , they do an ultra sound and the doctor says here is your tumor! Surprise! Poor hubby will be 68 now when the baby graduates high school and he swears he won't live that long due to working overtime as it is. As for me... after raising 3 others I never thought I would see 35. I have to wonder.... what happened to those darn rings? hee hee I really want to know how old this post is and how can I get in touch with the person who posted it. I am having the exact same symptoms and had the same surgery over 16 years ago and am also 44 years old and scared! Help!!! |
| This is funny!!!! I feel sorry for all the women who just wanted to know if anyone else was having the same problems that they were. I do have to say I did not know it was a sheepdog forum until I read many of the posts then I could not stop. I would not have replied but it was killing me. I am sorry all of the sheepdog members had to read about the troubles but I do have to tell you that I doubt any of these posting were put on here for a hoax. I will not go into what I am going through now and it is not because I am uneducated that I am searching the Internet for women who are having the same trouble. I am going to the Dr. in the next few days and if they cannot get me in I will be going somewhere else. But I would like to know if anyone else is having the same issues. I do suggest that if possible to end this thread so someone else do not start posting details that would have you sheepdog members blushing and laughing so hard you start crying. The reason I am posting this now is because someone mentioned missing this thread so here you go. Smiling from ear to ear. |
| I would like to respond to the idiots who actually think this is funny. Yes people do use the website for insight. People do this because it cost so much to go to a doctor. Not everyone has insurance. It doesn't surprise me how insensitive people are who haven't gone through something like this. I would like to say don't pass judgement because you quite frankly have time to sit and read all of the post and have the nerve to call someone else stupid for researching before going to a doctor most cant afford. To those of you with the negative post you should not judge and find something else to do besides praying on people who apparently are just looking for information not using the site as a doctor. Stop reading the post if you are going to be negative get a job exercise find something productive to do besides critizing people for researching. |
| I really don't see how these posts could be considered research?! It isn't a medical sight, a pregnancy site or any of those things- it's an Old English Sheepdog forum. To each his own. I don't think we were being insensitive or mean either, just pointing out the obvious. Glad you stopped in though and bumped the thread - I was missing it. Shellie |
| People post questions about their own health problems and health problems of family members and various pets, usually but not always Old English Sheepdogs on various parts of this forum. Yet only in this thread is it considered OK to ridicule someone for asking a question or looking for advice. While a great deal of compassion and information and yes: advice to consult a medical professional! is often dispensed by members here, this thread seems to provoke a lot of mean spirited and insensitive responses. Somehow, here a simple suggestion to consult a local medical practitioner or even suggest where a woman might go for free/inexpensive, reliable health care is not offered. I don't get it. But THIS is the reason I don't post anymore and rarely even stop by. |
haha that thread that doesn't die.  |
| Yeah well I gotta say that there are some ignorant people one this community. Thinking u own this site and put people down just because they ask for advice. And all of the uncalled for comments..wasn't you taught that bullying is wrong? Omg!! Makes me gag! |
| I had a tubal ligation 10 years ago. I have been feeling nauseated, my period is always on time, this time I was late two weeks, I didn't have any PMS symptoms, I just had my period for two days one day heavy and the other almost nothing, I usually have my period for five days. I have been losing weight, very tired, and nauseated most of the time when I do feel hungry I eat and get full right away, plus headaches and I feel dizzy. I had three boys and all my pregnancies were different. I had sex yesterday and I feel a discomfort left ovary. If I'm pregnant I might be seven weeks along. Should I go ahead a do a pregnancy test now, or wait a few more weeks. |
| Wait 8 more months, you'll know for sure by then. |
| I would suggest going to the Doctor. Those aren't all necessarily symptoms of pregnancy. Of course the pregnancy test is cheaper, but not always accurate. At least call the doctor. What can that hurt? Shellie |
Guest wrote: I had a tubal ligation 10 years ago. I have been feeling nauseated, my period is always on time, this time I was late two weeks, I didn't have any PMS symptoms, I just had my period for two days one day heavy and the other almost nothing, I usually have my period for five days. I have been losing weight, very tired, and nauseated most of the time when I do feel hungry I eat and get full right away, plus headaches and I feel dizzy. I had three boys and all my pregnancies were different. I had sex yesterday and I feel a discomfort left ovary. If I'm pregnant I might be seven weeks along. Should I go ahead a do a pregnancy test now, or wait a few more weeks. I agree with Shellie: you need to make an appointment with the doctor. Some of your symptoms seem as though they really should be investigated by a doctor. If you haven't done so already, please call and make an appointment with a doctor today. I hope that you stop back to let us know how you are doing. Best wishes. |
| My fiance and I did the deed after her period here it is a little over a month she's 3 days late were praying she is pregnant and the Baby is healthy because she had her tubes tied when she was 22 she's now 26 I'm 20 I've had 3 miscarriages with exs and every time I used a condom pulled out and they were on the pill is it possible my fiancé is pregnant and if so what's the chances our Baby is healthy? |
| Also she is frequently using the bathroom has sore breasts is naughtious morning and night and is always tired and she used to be anorexic she messed up her eating habit only being allowed to eat a meal or 2 a day now she's nonstop eating |
| 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back * Tied Tubes* BLAME GOOGLE. Jade C was here 16/11/15 |
| So, like nearly everyone else who has asked about the topic, I found my way here. I have just spent the last half hour reading and laughing my tail off! I figured out early on that is was a Sheepdog post, but couldn't stop reading. Yeah, I'm one of those who had a tubal 9 years ago and I'm late. It is what it is. I'll take a test if Mother Nature hasn't crept up by then. I was just looking to do a little research on my own first. This thread that won't die has once again reared it's head and amused the heck out of another mother. Thank you so much for not taking it down. Monica age 43 dating a 25 year old. lol  5-17-16 |
| I'm so glad you read the whole thing- it's been going for YEARS and it can be pretty funny. |
| It went about a year and a half between posts last time. Hahaa |
| I don't know why but I always like when this thread pops up again. |
| Oh! I love it!! The posts this topic generates are the MOST entertaining. It's a little like Christmas when I see there has been a new post! Shellie |
Since we all already know how I ended up on this thread. I guess I don't need to go into detail about my personal reproductive issues. I never post on anything but after reading this and lmfao I just wanted to keep it alive. Yes it is a dog forum  but there are some good resources for those of us who stumbled into it wondering about pregnancy after tubal litigation. And if we had the option of seeing a vet instead of a doctor would probably get better treatment. I just really got a kick outta the whole thing. And the tubal litigation reversal adds popping up were just the icing on the cake.  But really though I did use call a nurse before posting here called them before I ever found this thread you will never guess what the registered nurse said... YOU NEED TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO SEE YOUR DOCTOR! great thread though  |
| I'm cracking up over the tubal "litigation" reversal. The attorneys must want to get into the act, along with the vets and physicians. Love this thread! |
| 1/19/2017 still a good read |
| I lost the plot somewhere- was the lady in the first pregnant? xx |
| I think there were two different threads originally and sadly I don't think we ever found out the answer to the 'am I pregnant?' question on one but I think (and don't quote me on this that the other may have been pregnant). Did I just make all that up? It's been so long with so many posts that I feel like I might be imagining all that. But either way it almost doesn't matter anymore, its just the posts popping up again that I enjoy. |
Wonder if it will be another year or so before we see this post again, must check now and then to see!!  |
| This thread cracks me up. It will never die! |
| Wow my post is still going...lol. Glad everyone has been so well entertained after all these years....2005 is when I asked...seriously must be a record. Those new here want the update: Yes pregnant...then miscarried, it was devastating to me. Why did I post here, because it was at a time when I was a regular member, I had friends here that might be able to understand...just because it had nothing to do with dogs, is irrelevant. When I searched way back then, as you all have done, there wasn't a lot to find. No the members only area was not yet created. This post is a good reminder to all to never post about anything personal or important, I had no idea it would be found upon doing a google search., if I knew that it would be searchable, I never would have asked. Again I have apologized, I have asked for it to be removed, and I can't do anything about it reappearing every time someone else has a moment of panic. I too wish it would disappear. I eventually moved past the shock of it, but it did make me desire to have another child so much so, we went thru invitro. I had twins., they will be turning 9 soon. The cause of this whole mess, is not the fault of the dr, but my body had repaired and regrown that section., tho it was not like the original. I ended up needing a 2nd ligation after the birth of the twins., just as a precaution. So there you have it. In other more relevant news, my OES Remy is still with us, doing pretty well, and she turns 15 yrs on June 14 2017. |
| Nobody is blaming you Daisy! Most of us old timers get a real kick out of "guests" finding us here. You yourself have to admit some of the stories and responses are well worth the search and priceless to most of us who follow it. I have been here all along, and while I have given some heated responses I have enjoyed it thoroughly. As for my anger and frustration, that is entirely directed at people who either aren't using the brain God gave them or are eternally playing victim. We can never get rid of this thread!! I LOVE it! Shellie |
| Great to know you had twins. My daughter had ivf after trying for 4 years, they now have 3 year old twins. xxxx |
| Amazing what we know and what can be done now adays!!xx |
| contact this amazing pregnancy spell caster Dr xxxxxx Who help my wife to GET PREGNANT, this is his email address (no spam pleasel), So me and my partner have been trying for a baby for the last 5 years now and we have had no luck. and my wife don't have a regular cycle so it is hard for her to tell when she's ovulating or not, but we always have sex at least 2 times a week, sometimes more. I know it can take up to a year to conceive but everyone i know who have had a baby have conceived within 2-3months of trying and it is really getting to me. i had a fertility test about a year ago and my sperm were fine. so i was thinking it could be a problem with my wife but she never had any symptoms of any problems. i does smoke and i only drink occasional, and she use to smoke and also have the occasional drink. i know she's slightly overweight but that shouldn't affect her chances too much,one faithful day my friend told me to contact a spell caster that help her aunty get pregnant, then i contact the man on this email: still no spam please, and follow his instruction , after three months the doctor confirm that my wife is pregnant thank you Dr xxxxxx for helping me get a baby am now a proud father of twins a boy and a girl. |
Well, what can be said to that? Amazing! Many congratulations on our twins.  (worth 2 pots of tea)xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| Spammmerrrr |
| I did wonder but you never know!!!!!!! xx |
 Sprox's mum wrote: I did wonder but you never know!!!!!!! xx |
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| And still this topic carries on-Is any one out there? Sprocket is a very good boy nowadays, chasses off magpies and lets the rabbits from the field wander in and out the garden!! How have you been affected with the lookdown? |
Sprox's mum wrote: And still this topic carries on-Is any one out there? Sprocket is a very good boy nowadays, chasses off magpies and lets the rabbits from the field wander in and out the garden!! How have you been affected with the lookdown? I am out here! In terms of the lockdown, in many ways we are lucky, we can both work from home. But that also means sitting two feet apart. Eight hours a day. Five days a week. |
Mady wrote: I am out here! In terms of the lockdown, in many ways we are lucky, we can both work from home. But that also means sitting two feet apart. Eight hours a day. Five days a week. Kim, you feel my pain.  Kim, we spent a year together on the road in a 300 square foot motorhome. Then we came home and she got a job working from home. In 2004. Well, at least she travels for the job, goes away for 3 or 4 days twice a month, AmIRight? Then, March hits. 3 months ago. No change in sight. At least she still has a job,  (Yes, I'm a kept man) |
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