Cross your fingers for Panda
Besides crossing your fingers.. cross your legs and eyes too for my boy! 
I'm a bit apprehensive as I just got off the phone with the vet after discovering what appears to be an infection or really dirty ears in Panda. This is his most vulnerable spot! It took me weeks to be able to touch the top of his head, then more time to touch his ears and longer to be able to flip his ears and touch the insides of his ears. Long term goal was to be able to eventually clean his ears. Panda is the rescue from the puppymill in Hong Kong so always took a lot of time with him so as not to stress him out. I always knew the final test would be when he allowed me to clean his ears. While he's never shown outright aggression I can immediately tell when he is stressed his whole body goes ridgid and his top lip quivers. In the past I have just touched and then stopped to end it on a good note. Unfortunately I can't wait, as what I suspect it is an infection that needs to be seen by the vet. I called and explained and the alternative is a muzzle but if still stressed he will need to be sedated. I pray that the whole experience will not go against all the hardwork I've put in the last seven months. He now allows me to groom him, touch him everywhere, sponge bathe him, wipe his paws..all big steps for him. He's come a long way from the first day in my home! He's been wonderful with everyone and really trust me. I'm really worried...guess I'm just looking for reassurance and by the time most of you read this ..it will have happened already. I'll let everyone know what happened. Marianne and the boys |
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| Good Luck Marianne! I'm sending some positive energy up to Panda (and you) - hoping that everything goes smoothly!
Kristen |
| Jake needed to be muzzled to have his trigger spots groomed, and was nearly always muzzled at the vet's for an ear exam. This vet was extremely experienced with sheepies, and he muzzled Jake for ear exams.
I suppose that sedation would have been a plus for the moment that it took. Never thought about it, just accepted that he's be uncomfortable for a minute or two. Never thought about long-term issues. Maybe if he sees it as the vet muzzling him and examining him he won't hold it against you. Poor Panda! Good luck! |
| Bet you he will be better than you think, I took Dougal to the vet today He Has an inflammation of the bowel he will be fine after his course of tablets. I was worse than he was. I am lucky I have a vet who is calm and cool says Dougals infection is not unusual just to keep him on chicken and rice for a few days. Good luck to Panda.
luv pepe |
I'm sure your love and encouragement has made a huge difference with Panda, and even though he may not like the ordeal, he is better armed psychologically to handle it and get over it faster because of you Marianne.... I think anyway!  |
| Hi,
Whew! long day - just returned home with Panda! Thanks Kristen! I saw your note before I left but didn't have time to respond as I was just getting ready to leave. Thanks to everyone for the words of encouragement and their experiences. When we arrived all the staff had been made aware that Panda may go ballistic so they were armed with muzzles of various sizes. Like a big sweetheart he greeted everyone there with a butt wiggle and didn't even seem bothered when they tried muzzles of various sizes on. The even looked at his ears...said AWW don't think they will be a problem. (I remember the groomer saying the same thing) 
Walked in and myself and the vet just gasped!! It was very bizarre as she is now the fourth person in a week I've come across whom was very important in my past. When we met 8 years previously she was doing her Locum (practicum) at the vets office and was the one that first diagnosed Shaggy. She'd call me at home to check on her, once went for a walk with me when I said Shaggy appeared to limp, cut cost numerous ways as she knew that Shaggy's 4,000 dollar vet bill was beyond my means. I can't even begin to tell you how grateful I am to this vet and how dedicated she was to her job. The office hired her for a year and then she moved East. Sorry going off topic a bit but always felt this vet was instrumental in Shaggy's survival. So...I walk in and she's back!!!!! Panda has been assigned to her!!! This is quite the coincidence as the office has 4 vets all whom I really like and use. I knew Panda was in exellent hands. It came time to flush his ears and ummm oooohhh even muzzled and three of us holding him he thrashed and what sounded like moaning and growlies. I was told to bring him back in 2 hrs for sedation. Took him to the dog park and brought back a very muddy dog and the vet's response ...ah a nice dirty dog is a happy dog. Gotta luv that attitude in a vet! My poor Panda had the works --fantastic news his eyes are okay!! Always worried he had some sight impairment...good weight..healthy..good teeth. Now the bad part..very infected right ear which was flushed, hairs picked and cleaned. Stupidly, I forgot to mention that his hips appeared to be sore the last three times we've gone to the park. We'll have to wait a couple weeks for another bout of sedation . He didn't appear to be upset with me as when we returned it was I that muzzled him..but still took 3 of us to hold him down for the shaving of his back leg and needle. I felt like I was wrestling a grizzly bear! He's sleeping at the moment...poor boy. Thanks again everyone for the cheerful notes. |
| Wow Marianne! Good job, and extra belly rubs for poor Panda! |
| Marianne- he did really well considering he had a badly infected ear!
Chelsea is OVERLY sensitive in the ear area too and it has taken the better part of a year to get her to trust us and the groomer and we've had her since a puppy. He did GREAT considering where he has been and all of the travelling he's been exposed too, and change, etc. You never know, sometimes a little "forced" loving care actually makes them less sensitive the next time around as opposed to what we expect, (for them to be more sensitive)- If that makes sense. Chelsea was at the vet last week and I said to him three times "she's really sensitive and may bite when you look in her ears" - and of course she made a liar out of me and sat perfectly still while he examined her ears! I bet Panda really appreciates the fact that the icky old infection got fixxed, he may not know it yet, but he will notice that he feels better. I do think they sometimes put two and two together and associate the bad with eventually feeling better. UP. |
| Hi,
Thanks again to everyone! Uppetybup, Thanks for sharing your story. In this case Panda seemed calm and collected, I knew he could turn from gentle Panda bear into ferocious Grizzly if he was restrained. Both times at the groomer and at the vets he didn't display any aggression at first and people would think I may be over worried ,then both times he went a bit crazy. Afterwards people would say...umm I quess you do know him! LOL Other times we're embarressed as just like you, we think they won't be able to handle it and they suprise us and do. I'll eventually get to that point with Panda. I want him to make a liar outta me!! Now I'm still concerned as I have to place drops in his ears twice daily for the next two weeks and have no doubt this is going to be really hard! I'm dreading it. He slept from the time we returned home last night and only woke up late this afternoon..so ...here goes. If I don't write for a while it's cause I'm missing a couple of fingers. |
| Ok! Well, one week later... How is Mr. Panda and his icky ear doing? Missing any fingers, Marianne?
Karen |
| Marianne - there's a special place in heaven for people like you! |
| I'm late to this thread... Great to hear that Marianne and Panda are OK.
Marianne, you are great! |
| Hi,
Sorry hadn't checked this post and seen the responses. Well at least I can claim to be polite when I wave to people with four fingers missing during rush hour! ahhhh ! Forgive my lame humor! 
I'm kinda a bad owner as I was unable to do it on my own and could only do it with help from someone. As a result he didn't get it twice daily as he was supposed to. I've never feared Panda even from day one, but have to admit the experience was a bit frightening as the first time I did it he appeared relaxed and calm after I stroked his ears. I then applied the solution and he turned and tried to bite me. I was quick enough and he immediately appeared ashamed and submissive but since then I haven't attempted to do it on my own. 
I weigh just over 100 pounds and Panda weighs 75 and even tho he does view me as Alpha I can't hold him down and put the drops in by myself. If any one has suggestions I'd love to hear them. Thanks again everyone! |
| sorry for missing the drama (got our hands full at the moment, with 2-dog diarrehea )
You are probably the last few ppl on earth that I would associate with being a "bad owner"!!!! You are wise not to tackle it on yr own... Glad Panda is more or less A-OK, our best wishes for a speedy recovery |
Quote: You are probably the last few ppl on earth that I would associate with being a "bad owner"!!!! You are wise not to tackle it on yr own...
ditto, ditto. sorry, i have no advice for you.  |
| Marianne,
Can you get at Panda's infected ear while he's sleeping? The first few times we put drops in Lizzie's ear, we'd wait until she went to sleep, then carefully (and quickly) put the drops in. Of course, she would wake up, but it was over and done with by the time she could move. I'm not sure if this would work with every dog, Liz is a really heavy sleeper. Cooper, on the other hand wakes up at just a movement. |
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