house broken but peeing in crate
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| Poor Sprocket. We have had two OES, and neither one acclimated to a crate. Both urinated and defecated within seconds and howled and howled. After that, we confined our first sheepie, Quincy to the kitchen with a gate, and he never had an accident or chewed......this from 12 weeks old. At nine months old, we were able to give him full run of the house and never had an issue.
Our current sheepie, Oscar, is also confined to the kitchen with gates. He isn't a chewer either, and he is completely housebroken, but we will gate him for the rest of his life for peace of mind. Oscar is also deaf, so he knows that when the gates are up, that he is home alone and shouldn't wander incessantly looking for us. We come home to find him fast asleep up against the door to the garage...... 
Maybe he would feel more comfortable confined to a room, rather than in a crate. Is he a chewer? If so, you'd really have to dog-proof the room, and maybe leave him for a small period of time at first to make sure he's not gnawing on baseboards or other inappropriate material. I think debcram recently went through this with one of her pups, Pirate (?), and she found that leaving him loose helped with the situation. Laurie and Oscar |
I agree with Laura about puppy proofing a tiled room if possible/safe. Since he's deaf (thanks for adopting an extra special sheepie  ) leaving on the radio/tv probably won't be soothing to him but you might try some other things...
If he's ok to leave with a Kong, you might stuff it with a wet food and then freeze it. It will give him something to work/focus on while you're away. Also consider some other dog-safe toys that you will only give him when you leave... as soon as you return, you pick them back up and put them away until next time. The idea is to get him to view your leaving as a good thing. These links might also help- http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... cleid=2266 http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1502 I have a rescue that arrived with severe separation anxiety... she was destructive and would pee/poop in a crate and also if we closed a door between us (even while we were still at home). It just takes building trust and reassuring the dog that you will of course return. Keep coming and going low key. We are now able to leave our rescue girl without any problems. If you come home and find he's pottied, allow him outdoors, if you have a secure yard, while you clean up the mess. It's very frustrating but he simply can't help that he looses control of his bladder/bowels. If behavior modification fails, please consider medications. It is not a magical cure and should be used in conjunction with behavior modification. We had our rescue on Clomipramine for a year by the time we were able to taper her off the meds. We kept her on a lower level that was just enough to lessen the problem. She had been in 2 other homes and had spent about 3 weeks at a shelter by 10 months of age when she entered OES rescue. It can help a dog not to suffer so much. Good luck to you! |
| thanks for all of he advice. keeping him in a small room is out of the question unfortunately. we tried that when we first got him for the first few weeks before getting the crate and not only was he peeing but he was pooping on the floor as well. at least he doesnt poop when he's in the crate. he is also very very destructive when we leave him in a room while we are gone. he tears the room apart. he's much calmer in the crate. we have a fenced in yard with a privacy fence so i thought about leaving him outside on nice days, but he just sits at the door and whines and scratches.
I've put the kong in the crate and that doesnt help either. he loves the kong, but not while he's in the crate. |
| I wouldn't leave him outdoors unattended anyway. He'll be thrilled to go with anyone that comes along and someone recently had their OES stolen from a chain in their fenced in yard. They were extremely fortunate to be reunited.
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=21016 Panda is a poster child for SA issues and the fact that they can overcome it. We video taped her one time and found that she had paced and whined the entire 2 hours we were gone... talk about feeling horrible that she was suffering so much. Check into medication and also bring in a behaviorist to help you work through this challenge. It seems like a couple of sessions will help you get on the right track... they can help you work out training or behavior modification lessons that you'll repeat often. It can be a long process but it will help him to adjust and it's well worth the effort. |
| I think there is no reason to withhold medication from an animal that needs it. People who know me think this is odd because my response to a person is usually - suck it up or deal with it.
I don't want my dog to suffer and would think nothing about giving them necessary pain medicine. your dog is in pain, they need to be treated so they can live a happy healthy life. and yes you need to train as well as medicate, but the medication allows the dog to receive the training. |
| I 100% agree with using the least amount of medication necessary and getting them off meds when at all possible. Just one way to think about medication-
If someone had a heart condition, diabetes, asthma, etc. and there was a medication that could help control it, would you most likely take it? If someone has an emotional or psychological problem and the suffering can be lessened with medication, is it reasonable to try it? Only your vet can tell you if it's appropriate. The thing with SA is that it may be possible to work through the problem with both meds and behavior modification. Just one point of view... |
| duffy did that to he hates when i leave now i let him roam free seems to have helped alot, but still carries a fit when i walk out the door |
| Our boy Myrddin had SA something horrible. We did use medication with him and it did help some. This was a long time ago now......and they have made remarkable strides with meds now. Please consider this. I think it would make both of your lives much calmer, and he migh be able to be weaned off of them in time.
Good luck to you both. I've been there and know how bad it can be. |
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