Is my doggie a purebred...?
Is there any way i can tell if this is true or not? Until I bought our first dog (Keno) I had never seen a real live OES before! Really I don't mean to sound silly, inexperienced, or naive, but our female (at 1+ years old now) does not have the real shaggy face and truthfully....does not have the long body coat (Like Keno does). Her coat is kind of shaggy but DEFINITELY not like Keno's....and like I say...her face hair is no way near as thick and long as Keno's! Is this a female OES trait or is our "Sadie" not a 100% purebred? It's not that we would love her any less of course...but we bought her under the understanding that she is a a purebred OES and if she's not, I would be extremely disappointed and (well let's face it) ripped off as well! Please educate and help me here! Again, sorry if I sound desperate and inexperienced! P.S.- i'll post a few pictures of her as soon as i figure out how to.  |
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| I know there is a Doggie DNA kit you can buy.
It's been mentioned on the forum.... You can find the info in the following thread. http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=19008 |
| Even with the discrepancies in appearance, your dog may or may not be a "purebred". Quality OES breeders follow the accepted "Breed Standard" when improving their lines. http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... mation.htm
In the conformation ring, OES are shown against others using the judge's interpretation of the breed standard to determine ideal breeding stock. A breeder who does not show or has no clue of what the breed standard is may very well be producing dogs so far off the standard that they no longer even resemble an Old English Sheepdog but they actually are. Another breed also may have been mixed in somewhere along the line and the dog still got registered as a purebred. Lots of unethical breeders out there looking to make a buck. 
We try to educate people to buy a puppy from a quality breeder. Whatever lineage your girl is from, love her like she's the greatest champion OES of all.  |
| The coat sounds like it's just in puppy coat to me. But, who knows?
Is she AKC registered? If you bought a pure-breed, the breeder would have given you her papers. |
| I have the tallest sheepie ever ...
I am told he is not a PB but, we really could care less! We love him long legs and all! (he is a registered, neutered OES) He does rally in performance.... I know he would never make it in conformation 
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| I thought one of my pups might not be pure as well. I got two; each with a different dam but supposedly the same sire. Tonks has always looked typically sheepdog to me, but in the begining, Luna looked "weird". Her head shape was different and her coat was really smooth, then got very kinky curly. I later learned that its just a different type of coat (though I was told its not "desireable") and Luna has really grown to look just like a sheepdog.
Here they are at about 5 weeks old; you can see the significant coat difference between the two of them, tonks was always MUCH fluffier: 
and here is a more recent photo; their coats look nearly identical now ( though Luna is more wavy than Tonks)! 
Perhaps it IS just a puppy stage, and your pup will grown into that "sheepdog look"? |
| Hmmm, I just don't know. I thought maybe it was just her puppy coat but she's about 1 1/2 years old now while I'm trying to describe how she looks. She's cut down right now for summer.
We will always love her regardless, but I just have to know. How do I post pics and I'll try to post a few. thanks
Myles ? |
| this link will tell you how to post pics:
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=1119 |
| Sheepdog coats can vary widely. Out of the 4 that I have shared my life with, they all look different, coats are different, color of grey is different. I'm fairly certain that Daisy is a mixed OES and Border Collie. She doesn't move like a sheepie, her coat is odd, her head shape is not OES. Love her to the end of the earth, she is with out a doubt the funniest dog I have ever met. Doesn't matter to me.
You didn't mention where you purchased your sheepies from. If it was from a back yard breeder, or a pet store, there is no telling if she is "pure" bred or not. If on the other had you purchased her from a reputable breeder (always recommended unless you adopt) then you should have her registration or at least know her lineage. Once you post some photos, we all should be able to weigh in on your question, but until then, it can be difficult to try to describe her features and for us to interpret them... this is Daisy, she looks pretty sheepie, but I'm fairly sure she is mixed. 
She is funny, crazy, goofy and just plain wild. I wouldn't trade her for anything. Donners Mom, I too have a very tall sheepie and he is 100% sheepie, and I think yours is too. I have heard that there was a movement to breed really large sheepdogs and our boys may be from that breeding stock. Taggart is HUGE, he is over 115 lbs and has no spare weight on him. Jil was here for a visit and she was surprised at how tall he was as her Bentley is also quite tall. L |
TylersMom wrote: Donners Mom, I too have a very tall sheepie and he is 100% sheepie, and I think yours is too. I have heard that there was a movement to breed really large sheepdogs and our boys may be from that breeding stock. Taggart is HUGE, he is over 115 lbs and has no spare weight on him. Jil was here for a visit and she was surprised at how tall he was as her Bentley is also quite tall.
L I think the "movement" was probably more of a movement in inexperienced breeding and lack of concern for breed standards, resulting in dogs that were all over the place in size and type. Even if you were breeding a bigger dog, you still need to make sure the dog is properly proportioned and can still do the job it was supposed to do-- you wouldn't breed a tube on stilts! That being said, we all still have great dogs, we just all don't have great Old English Sheepdogs. |
ButtersStotch wrote: TylersMom wrote: Donners Mom, I too have a very tall sheepie and he is 100% sheepie, and I think yours is too. I have heard that there was a movement to breed really large sheepdogs and our boys may be from that breeding stock. Taggart is HUGE, he is over 115 lbs and has no spare weight on him. Jil was here for a visit and she was surprised at how tall he was as her Bentley is also quite tall. L I think the "movement" was probably more of a movement in inexperienced breeding and lack of concern for breed standards, resulting in dogs that were all over the place in size and type. Even if you were breeding a bigger dog, you still need to make sure the dog is properly proportioned and can still do the job it was supposed to do-- you wouldn't breed a tube on stilts! That being said, we all still have great dogs, we just all don't have great Old English Sheepdogs. The reason Buffett came into our life was the breeder felt he wasn't large enough. She told me the "western" sheepies are bred to be larger dogs and he wouldn't fare well with the judges. Buff meets standard for height and he weighs in around 73 pounds. He's approximately the same size as my last boy Oliver. Ollie didn't have any issues with showing, but he was shown in Europe. |
Sheeps over Aces wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: TylersMom wrote: Donners Mom, I too have a very tall sheepie and he is 100% sheepie, and I think yours is too. I have heard that there was a movement to breed really large sheepdogs and our boys may be from that breeding stock. Taggart is HUGE, he is over 115 lbs and has no spare weight on him. Jil was here for a visit and she was surprised at how tall he was as her Bentley is also quite tall. L I think the "movement" was probably more of a movement in inexperienced breeding and lack of concern for breed standards, resulting in dogs that were all over the place in size and type. Even if you were breeding a bigger dog, you still need to make sure the dog is properly proportioned and can still do the job it was supposed to do-- you wouldn't breed a tube on stilts! That being said, we all still have great dogs, we just all don't have great Old English Sheepdogs. The reason Buffett came into our life was the breeder felt he wasn't large enough. She told me the "western" sheepies are bred to be larger dogs and he wouldn't fare well with the judges. Buff meets standard for height and he weighs in around 73 pounds. He's approximately the same size as my last boy Oliver. Ollie didn't have any issues with showing, but he was shown in Europe. A lot of breeds seem to be preferred "larger" in Europe. Hungarian Komondors are massive animals but I've seen some really small (by comparison) American bred ones. |
| A lot of oes end up long legged and appear to have narrower heads because of being neutered before puberty. |
| Darth Snuggle, I love your green door, it is really pretty in the photos of the girls. I'm wondering what color I want to paint my currently white door.... |
TylersMom wrote: Darth Snuggle, I love your green door, it is really pretty in the photos of the girls. I'm wondering what color I want to paint my currently white door....
thanks! Our house is a rental; so we didn't really chose it. But we like it! |
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