Oak Ridge Acres in Graantsburg, Wisconsin
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| Their website has some cute pups, and if they do what they say in regards to testing, socializing, etc... then it sounds good, but anyone can make a website look good. To be safe, contact oes groups, the AKC, and perhaps a vet in the area of the breeder. Ask for references, (previous puppy buyers). Research is important, this is a huge committment, both for you and the puppy who will join your family.
Good luck!  |
| Be sure to come back and tell us what you decided. We would love to see pics and just the daily updates of life with your new joy. |
| Can you please send/post a link to this "breeder's" website? Thanks. |
| http://www.oakridgeacres.com/ |
| alinamarie -- Thank you! |
| I love how big (wide) their adult is in the first pic (photo album). Very cute. |
| Ididnt see anything about testing on the site. Maybe I need to look better. BUT a couple littles a year? How many is a couple, I would say more than 2 litters a year is too many. Especially if they only have 2 females.
Maybe someone can direct me to the health testing part of the site. |
I didn't see anything about health testing either. What I did see was they have 13 children  - I can't imagine being able to raise 13 children - and properly breed and socialize OES at the same time! 
And...where do the COLLIES come into the picture??? 
Kristen |
| Our dogs are a huge part of our life and our family and we take great joy and pride in them. I produce quality puppies for quality homes. I only have a couple of litters a year. We breed for quality OES. We have owned and loved this breed for many years. This is not the time to bargain hunt, if you want a quality puppy give us a call. We usually have a waiting list for our pups so don’t wait!.
A couple of litters a year, eh? How many females do you HAVE? Do you test hips? Eyes? Hearts? Of dam AND sire? Not the time to bargain hunt?! Don't wait?! I'm willing to wait for the right puppy to come along from a REPUTABLE BREEDER or RESCUE GROUP. This puppy is a 10-15 (and hopefully more!) commitment. I am NOT going to jump into any decision this big without a lot of thought. We do require a return agreement on all puppies. If for any reason a family/person can no longer keep one of our puppies, it must be returned to us with no questions asked. We do this because we want to be sure that our puppies or dogs are always placed into safe and loving homes. This is in no way reflected on the families who cannot keep them, but we as a caring OES owner who wants to know where our pups are and that they are being well taken care of. If I adopt one of your puppies and for some reason I need to return it, what happens to the puppy? What REALLY happens to the puppy? What if I had my puppy spayed or neutered and can't be used as breeding stock for you? What do you do with the returned puppy(ies)? Sorry, Maam. But I smell BYB. (Back Yard Breeder) |
| Hello,
Got the link to this forum from someone I was talking to that was looking for a puppy. I was a little stunned at the nastiness of some of the things written about me by people I don't know and have never talked to. BUT....I did learn some things so for that I guess I should be grateful. Although I have loved and owned oes for a number of years I am relatively new to the internet. Obviously my websight, which is only a couple of months old, needs some more information. I certainly would not consider myself a "back yard breeder" but I guess that is up for debate. My dogs do spend sometime in the backyard, although more often in my car with me or on my bed, and I do breed them once a year....I didn't think that was a problem, apparently you do. As far as being able to raise my children and also dogs, don't you think that was a little uncalled for? You don't even know me. I'm sure there are plenty of breeders who will be glad to sell you a puppy for 1000.00 and you can certainly buy one from them. Yes my dogs have had there hips done, and thyroid checked, I admit I haven't gotten there eyes checked as of yet. They are both beautiful family pets, we do not show, they live in our home with us, they are part of our family, they go on vacation with us....and my 13 children have a big part in helping to socialize the pups. I wasn't aware that it was bad for them to be played with by many children, you should tell me what book you read that in. Anyway, if you are interested you certainly can email me and I will be glad to give you the name and phone number of our vet. I seriously don't understand the openly vindictive attack on me, or anyone else that you don't know. nobody has to buy a puppy from me, and the people who have are all quite happy with them. I would gladly take a puppy that has been spayed or neutered back into our home and find it a great family than to just let them leave here and loose track all together. Why do you find that suspicious? I apologize if I have insulted anyone, but I just can't figure out why whoever that was was so nasty. Could someone please clue me in? |
| I have to agree with Oak Ridge Acres.
The question was a simple one: "Has anyone had any expeperience with this breeder for good or ill?" Nobody who responded had any experience with this breeder. While I could make certain assumptions about the breeder from their website, so too could have alinamarie. Willowsprite and Joahaeyo made some very positive generalized statements and personal well wishes. hdk9s asked some questions about the site, and a small suggestion that there may be a lot of breeding going on, extrapolating more than 2 litters from "a couple" (which is, of course, 2). BritPresSyd for some reason decided that because she can't imagine how a large family can also breed well socialized dogs that it must be impossible. Nahakala posed a series of questions that were unanswered by the site, and decided that all of the answers must be negative. Now, I don't know Oak Ridge Acres from Adam, but lately we seem to be awfully quick to ascribe bad things to people because they participate in breeding, without knowing a single thing about them. Breeders are an integral part of our community -- without them there would be no sheepdogs. Without the "bad breeders", half of us wouldn't have the wonderful, albeit imperfect, dogs that we have. It's fair to point out shortcomings of a website, but not fair to move on from that and blindly castigate the people behind it. You know, without Ted, what would Grannie Annie's website look like? What would her first site have looked like if she were a breeder in the internet age? We need to keep civility and harmony our number one priority in this community if we are to survive as a community. While I want as much as any of you to reduce bad breeding, that goal can NEVER be accomplished by argument, yelling or naysaying, it must be accomplished through education. Education can be acomplished ONLY if we don't alienate the people we wish to educate. |
| I agree with Ron and feel obligated to add this:
There is false statement out there that needs to be taken into consideration. It is that "reputable breeders don't advertise on the internet'. I've heard this a gazillion times. It is totally false. One of the TOP OES BREEDERS in the country has a website and advertises OES litters online. Granted the website isn't always kept up to date(but neither is mine!), but this is a Top Twenty Breeder, winner of Herding Breeder of the year and a ton of other awards. Now that said, wouldn't it be better to email this breeder in private and ask all the pertinent questions? I've seen a trend of breeder bashing over the years and I, personally, am not an "anti-breeder". One of the things that supports our 'rescue' habits are puppy mills. Think about it. There are NOT that many breeders out there who can afford to do all the testing required, etc. and sell to us...the pet people. So where do we go? Pet stores that support puppy mills, puppy mills keep Rescue Organizations in business and it's a vicious circle. Someone who is just starting a breeding program should be assisted by all of us and let them know that you're looking for a well bred puppy for a pet and help them to know what you expect to see on their website. Most of the well known breeders have waiting lists a million miles long. They'll go to show homes first and foremost because that is their bread and butter and that is how they continue to support their breeding programs for the "BETTERMENT" of the breed. Wouldn't we all LOVE to see a breeder who followed the basics of puppy breeding in health and temperament requirements and sell their puppies to us? I would! I'd love to go to a good breeder who sells to pet homes and know that I have a much better chance of having an OES that is healthy and with great temperament! We all need to do our homework and HELP them to help us! I've personally seen a new breeder's reputation being dragged through the mud. She's been called a puppy mill (she's has had one litter of all wonderfully healthy show quality puppies, all hip, eye certified, hearing AND thyroid tested ) and she breeds with one of the best breeders in this country. It's sad and SHE wants the majority of her puppies (future) to go to pet homes. From a business point of view and I know people will balk at this, but think about it: There is a HUGE demand for OES puppies. Supply and demand. If the only suppliers are people who do no justice to the breed, we don't want them around. If there IS a breeder out there willing and able to go the responsible route...WELCOME THEM WITH OPEN ARMS!! They are our "pet" future and they are a big part of the future of this breed. We need to stop bashing the responsible people who are trying to supply our demand....help them out! I KNOW that there are and will always be a "puppy mill" syndrome out there, but wouldn't you love to put a HUGE dent in them and cut down their sizes considerably? I'd love to see the only OES in rescue the OES who ended up there due to some "unforeseen" problem vs. the ones who end up there because they were sold without any help being given or offered by the breeders, breeders who refuse to take them back, ill temperaments, physical problems and any number of the reasons that all go back to the breeding program. I've had this breed around for 50 years and do NOT expect miracles to happen in my lifetime, but certainly do hope you will see them yours! It's rare to see a pet breeder with hip and thyroid testing done and I say "BRAVO" to Oak Ridge Acres for a good start! You are certainly appear to be headed down a much welcome path! AND I also have to say that 13 kids is one more than twice as many as we had growing up and socializing one or two OES at a time! You may just be changing the "they aren't good with kids" blanket statement to "my puppies are good with kids...they have to be!" 
Best wishes, Cathy...don't shoot the messenger, please.... |
| Hello,
I would like to have an opportunity to talk with you via email if you would be so kind as to email me or let me have your email. I'm sorry that you find me so offensive, I would like an opportunity to talk with you if at all possible. My email is gaff@grantsburgtelcom.net Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.  |
| There is a lot of breeder bashing/show people lately why is that? The top breeders do not breed to make money, they breed to produce quality dogs. Health, temperament and then looks is how they choose which dogs should be bred. Breeding begins with looking at the potential dogs pedigree, now this is a medical record of your dog it also tells you who is a champion that is the way it is. A breeder has to know the different kennels out there and breed for the healthiest litter. Many screening tests can be done and these tests if all breeders did them could wipe out big medical problems that the OES has. For example a hip screening is a good place to begin, how many of us heard stories about PUPPIES that are physically challenged due to poor hips!!!!! That could be avoided!!!! Is breeding expensive I would think so, is it worth it dam straight! Then there is the cost of a puppy well I would guess getting one of these pups is 1500-2000 for a quality dog. We are losing here as the breeder who chooses not to do medical screening and produce litters is selling lots of puppies but they will not contribute to the longevity of the OES. |
You know the 1st picture in your photoalbum? Someone had to tell me that it was stuffed and not real. After showing the pic to all of my family, I am so embarrassed. 
I thought no-way they could have a stuffed sheepie that big. I can't believe someone wants to give me an OES. lol |
| The last 4 posts have had such wonderful points- I can't help but comment:
Please support our responsible breeders! Cathy is absolutely right- WE NEED THEM!!!! This is what it is all about folks! These people are out to better the breed, to provide us with great quality animals that we can be proud to have in our home, to keep the breed going, and to weed out health issues to better future generations. Just because a breeder advertises on the internet (or the paper, or a magazine)- does not make them a bad breeder. All of these media types are great tools for them to get info out about a breed and their lines. They are also great ways for people interested in aquiring a high quality puppy to get a hold of them! Yes- ask questions, lots of questions- but do not make assumptions. We are not all great at properly describing ourselves. Talk to the breeder, and get referalls before you make a decision of any type. I come from a family that was actively involved in dog raising and showing- it is tough- there are a lot of tears as well as joy. So- here is to all of you: Stormi, Carl, Ali, and all of you (named an un-named) who love this breed and are out there showing, breeding, training, raising and putting in the hours, the tears, the blood and the sweat that keeps this breed great, and gives us all the opportunity to see and own the best OES out there. My hat is off to all of you! Karen |
Ron wrote: BritPresSyd for some reason decided that because she can't imagine how a large family can also breed well socialized dogs that it must be impossible.
I'm sorry Ron but I didn't say it was impossible. I said I couldn't imagine being able to raise 13 children and properly breed and raise OES at the same time. (the word socialization was never mentioned in my post at all) I still can't imagine it - but - I can't imagine raising 13 children either - it doesn't mean that I am saying OTHERS can't do it! I wasn't making a judgement - I was making a statement! People need to be responsible in researching these issues on their own and making their own decisions. I guess I'll just keep my comments to myself from here on in. Kristen |
BritPresSyd wrote: Ron wrote: BritPresSyd for some reason decided that because she can't imagine how a large family can also breed well socialized dogs that it must be impossible. I'm sorry Ron but I didn't say it was impossible. I said I couldn't imagine being able to raise 13 children and properly breed and raise OES at the same time. (the word socialization was never mentioned in my post at all) BritPresSyd wrote: I can't imagine being able to raise 13 children - and properly breed and socialize OES at the same time! The tone of that sentence clearly (to me) indicates that you think that it's not likely that the OES could be properly socialized in that setting. That's the way I took it, and perhaps others. Maybe it's just me. BritPresSyd wrote: I still can't imagine it - but - I can't imagine raising 13 children either - it doesn't mean that I am saying OTHERS can't do it! I wasn't making a judgement - I was making a statement! If it's true that you didn't mean to be negative, then it's not about keeping your comments to yourself, it's about being sensitive and writing your posts in a way that's least likely to be misinterpreted so that others will understand your meaning and intent, especially in a controversial subject.
I guess I'll just keep my comments to myself from here on in. I certainly don't want to single anyone out here. This is probably the most direct and blunt I've been on the forum -- we MUST be considerate of the feelings of others in this format! I guess it's my own fault, I've always put the onus on the reader to interpret posts as if no insult was meant, but I guess I've never before cautioned writers to please write in a careful manner. |
| There apparantly needs to be guidelines then and it can't be only when we get caught discussing a breeder that it's an issue. Many things were said about Rhoad's as well - including some of your own comments Ron. Obviously interpretations vary.
I have emailed Oak Ridge privately and explained my comments - as they were not a judgement of her breeding practices. I will refrain from making any comments about particular breeders or their websites - good or bad. With the exception of one particular puppy miller - I have never suggested (publicly) a specific breeder was irresponsible (or responsible for that matter). Kristen |
| Wow, I don't know where to start!
I guess first off, I am THRILLED that Oak Ridge Acres posted! Kudos to you! And welcome, depsite what must feel horrible to you at the moment, I truly hope that you will come back, and share your experiences and stories with us. The forum is going through an adjustment period I think, and recent discussion about breeding and breeders has caused some flared tempers. I'm so sorry you got caught in the crossfire. I also loved your post Ron, and Cathy..... some of your comments mirror my own thoughts so I won't add to that.... Kristen I don't think you should refrain from posting because you add invaluable advice as does everyone. I don't feel comfortable talking about other breeders good or bad without them being involved in the discussion. It's just not fair to them. New breeders have to fight so hard to earn the respect and even just acceptance from other breeders as it is, and they do get dragged through the mud. You have to have a thick skin to enter the show ring, regardless of your dog, and I for one would like to see that all change. If someone feels the need to say something negative, it should be from fact, not heresay, and it should be done in private, in my opinion. |
| I apologize for any reputations wrongfully sullied.
I originated both the posts for Oak Ridge Acres and Rhoads (I was down to choosing between the two) because (1)I have not been involved with OES for years, (2)am not famililar with the "system" and (3)am geniuniely trying to find a "quality" puppy who is healthy, happy and friendly. It has been difficult to make the right decision. The OESCA offered little assitance, just a cryptic email that I still don't understand and later the name of a single breeder who offered terms that I could not agree to. ($1500, permission to spay, sole decision of the stud and 3 puppies from the litter plus extreme pressure to show) I was then going to get a puppy from a woman who turned out to be a rather unscrupulous puppy broker. No thanks. The internet has definitely been my best ally in this endevour. Lacking the knowledge and the "inside scoop", I was thrilled to have found this forum and its knowledgable and caring members. I spoke to a breeder who confessed that her experience taught her that shows can be "fixed" so that all key players have their turn for a "champion" thus increasing the value of their pups. (she had a friend (in 2nd place) crying after a show stating that they told her it was supposed to be "her turn") I questioned both the value of AKC registered and "champion" pedigree I searched petfind.com and phoned about most of the puppies on there. I thought that the puppies from Diane Darvis were beautiful.. It was the information from the members of this forum which advised that she owned a puppy mill and that her animals were kept in deplorable conditions; a statement based on first hand knowledge and experience. Thank you for that. That was the manner of guidance that I was seeking here. Experience and Knowledge, not speculation. I will add that I spoke to Oak Ridge Acres and found them to be responsive, kind and happy to answer any questions. I spoke to a number of the children who answered the phone and found them to be exceptionally polite and helpful. I do think any puppy from Oak Ridge Acres would be a pleasure to own. I have also spoken to Rhoads and provided her with the address of this forum so that she may also respond. |
| Good for you alina, and please don't feel the need to apologize for your posts! That's one of the many things this forum is here for! And if they stirred things up a bit, that is certainly not your fault, and it was probably for the best anyway!
Good luck on your upcoming family member |
| Oakridge Acres is NOT okay.
DO NOT PURCHASE A PUPPY FROM THIS BREEDER!!! I purchased a puppy from this breeder on Decemeber 20, 2006; just a day shy of his 6-week birthday. The next day I took the little guy to an emergency vet clinic where he was admitted and hooked up to an IV. After a slew of tests, x-rays, both a plasma and an albumin (sp?) transfusion and an ultra sound, he went into surgery. He didn't make it. He was in our care for a mere 30 hours and in our lives for only 84 but will forever be in our hearts. The cause was WORMS. Our little puppy had more worms than 5 different vets had ever before seen in a dog. The worse part of this awful situation is that it was 100% PREVENTABLE had Molly, the breeder, been de-worming the parents and the puppies starting at 2 weeks, this wouldn't have happened. I am working with the Burnett County Sherriff's Department, Animal Services and the states Public Health Department. I repeat: DO NOT PURCHASE A PUPPY FROM THIS BREEDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Red flags should immediately go up if any breeder is letting puppies go to homes any earlier than 8 weeks. Those few extra weeks make a huge difference in a pup's life. |
SadMom wrote: It was just over a week ago that my husband and I made a 5 hour journey to OakRidge Acres in Grantsburg, WI to pick up our newest addition to the family. I immediately fell in love with Gus and in about 30 minutes we were on our way back home. The first night with Gus was typical; I was up every hour and then indefinitely as soon as 4 o'clock rolled around--it's a good thing he was so cute... The next afternoon Gus was acting lethargic and around 5pm he threw up a worm. I rushed him to an emergency vet clinic where he was admitted after not responding to sub-que (sp?) fluids. He was put on an IV and observed all night. In the morning he was not getting any better despite the parvo test coming back negative. He was passing more worms than the 5 vets who examined him had ever before seen. My little 6-week old baby was kept in an isolation room and I was allowed to visit but I had to wear a gown, foot booties and rubber gloves--to hold my own baby!!! A slew of blood work, x-rays and nearly 50 hours of around-the-clock observation yeilded no clues. An ultrasound detected something abnormal in his abdomen and surgery was the only way to find out. Saturday night, the 23rd of December around 10:00 our little Gus went into surgery. We got a call from the vet around 11:00 telling us that the parasites had penetrated his tissues and that there was nothing else they could do. We rushed to the clinic and were escorted into the operating room where we kissed, caressed and said our last good-byes to our puppy as he humanely passed in front of our very eyes. We are devastated. How could something like this happen? The worst part is that it was 100% preventable had the breeder been de-worming the parents and puppies starting at 2-weeks of age. There were more puppies--6 more and another litter from another mama OES due on Christmas day. We are so scared for those puppies and don't want another family to have to go through what we did.
Gus was in our lives for only 84 hours but he will forever be in our hearts. Our hearts are broken, Gina & Marty This story is devestating. As said above, the red flag was raised when the puppy was released at six weeks. I've alerted a friend at the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and CONSUMER PROTECTION of this situation, and suggest that others express their concern and suggest a thorough investigation into the operation of this breeder. Go to: http://www.datcp.state.wi.us/contacts/e ... to=animals |
| I am the person attached to oak ridge acres. I am guilty of letting a puppy go home at 6 weeks. I have never done that before and will never do it again. I do treat my pups for worms and did treat this one once. The remainder of the litter continues to grow and be healthy. We were visited by the police yesterday after being reported by this young couple and our dogs were found to be healthy and happy and worm free! I don't really understand what happened with there pup, I was devastated for them and for the puppy. We have been in contact with our own vet a number of times during there ordeal with Gus as well as being in contact with there vet down there and I don't have any answers for anyone. The puppy was healthy when it left here and the rest of the litter is doing wonderfully, the local police and our vet can attest to that. They were such a cute young couple and so excited for there new family member, they had driven 5 hours and were going to be the best owners for our baby, it was Christmas. I made an incredibly poor judgement and let them take a puppy home with them earlier than I should have. For that I am truly guilty, I have never let one go before 8 weeks and I know better. |
That is so sad and must have been devastating. 
Do you plan on getting another OES, Sadmom? We'd love for you to be a part of this community with or without one. I have learned so much from this forum. |
| Molly, I do appreciate that you responded and I'm not going to bash you but do have to ask and I know you've asked yourself a thousand times probably , why let it go at such a young age?
I understand it was Christmas and no matter how much someone begs to make an acception - you as the breeder had the knowledge and responsibility, as you knew better than a new owner. Six weeks is a crutial age and studies have shown that letting a pup go at that age is detrimental to their overall adjustment for years to come. I teach school and kids will beg me or even my own kids did for things which I knew being older and wiser that it was not in their best interest and no matter what I had to say NO.
I feel badly for the young couple, baby Gus and the entire thing..so much heartbreak could have been avoided if the dog's best interest is always upheld. Marianne and the boys |
| Hello,
Your right, I new better and made an incredibly poor choice, and all involved are suffering for it. Just for the record, this young couple did not "beg and plead" with me, I made the decision to allow them to take the puppy home and I am responsible for that. You can't begin to imagine how devastating this whole situation has been for us and Gus's family also I'm sure. It is important to me to be a responsible pet owner and "breeder" although I hate that word. I do my best to insure the health and happiness of our dogs and puppies. Our adult dogs are part of our family and have a wonderful life. The rest of Gus's brothers and sisters continue to grow strong and healthy. To Gus's family if your reading this, I left a message on your phone and have sent you a couple of emails. I would love to talk with you but if you are not comfortable with that let me tell you how deeply sorry I am about what has happened. If there is anything I can do to try to make it right please feel free to contact me. If you continue in your quest to make an oes part of your family I wish you years of love and pleasure, there is nothing like a sheepie!! Happy New Year and God Bless you, I'm praying. Molly Oak Ridge Acres |
| SadMom, I am so sorry for your loss. I know that, even in a very short time, one becomes very attached to an OES puppy.
I learned the hard way that a visit to the kennel isn't the only way to check out a prospective puppy/breeder. There are too many variables in play. My first sheepdog was diagnosed with hip dysplasia and had four surgeries before she was two years old. It was heartbreaking to lose her the following year but she will always be in my heart. While she was still active, I joined the local sheep dog club and met many fabulous people who shared experiences, knowledge and the love of the breed. If I ever buy another pupppy, I will draw from that pool. I know that I will have a puppy who's had the best start possible and that's all I can ask. |
| What a sad sad story.
I do find it hard to believe that none of the other pups were sick, a pup does not become THAT infested in less than 24 hours. I hope this breeder plans on doing the "right" thing, reimbursement for medical expenses and either money back or a healthy pup would be a start. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: I do find it hard to believe that none of the other pups were sick, a pup does not become THAT infested in less than 24 hours. I hope this breeder plans on doing the "right" thing, reimbursement for medical expenses and either money back or a healthy pup would be a start. Actually I would strongly suspect that the rest of the pups have worms as well. The difference is the pups still at her home have not had the stress of being shipped to a new home at less than 6 weeks of age. A healthy pup going to a new home is stress enough to a puppy's immune system, but that young means the immune system has almost no hope of dealing with it, and parasites, virus and infection take over very quickly. |
| AHHH! That makes sense!! |
| I hope the rest of the dogs are doing okay.
How or why do dogs get worms? I just can't imagine a dog coughing up worms |
| I know my vet told me that all puppies usually have worms, not sure why. Neither Tasker or Ty have ever had a positive fecal, but then I worm them regularly and use heart guard. |
| Most dogs, no matter how well bred and how well kept, have round worms encysted in their tissues. During pregnancy, the bitch's hormones will trigger the encysted worms to move to the puppies and infect their digestive tract. This is why puppies should always, always, always be wormed. It is not an indication of bad breeding or animal husbandry for a dog to be infected with round worms. However, most healthy dogs should clear the infection with appropriate medication. Some worms will remain encysted in their tissues, and not cause any problems with the dog.
My guess is that the puppy became so ill because of the stress at leaving its mother so young. It is easy to blame the breeder for letting go such a young puppy, and should be a red flag, sure. However, and not to rub salt into the would of someone who lost a puppy so quickly, if I were a breeder and a potential buyer were pressuring me to release a puppy so young, it would also be a red flag to me that perhaps the buyer wasn't quite as knowledgeable as they should be. It sounds like a very sad situation for everyone. I am very sorry for the loss of the puppy. I am also sorry if feelings get hurt when people so quickly leap on breeders who seem to make mistakes or don't live up to the very high standards most of the posters on this forum expect. What I hope anyone reading this forum takes away is that those of us who post here passionately care about dogs, particularly OES. Many of us have cared for dogs who were bred and raised with little thought to the long term health and welfare of the puppies, incurring expense, yes, and heartbreak, as well. Rewards, too, but some of those who are most passionately against back yard breeding and puppy mills are those who have seen first hand what happens when people breed for profit and not because they love and understand the breed. I am not suggesting this is what happened with this kennel or in this case. It sounds quite unfortunate all around. |
| Thank you all for your responses and postings. It seems Gus' tragedy has sparked some good discussion about how to find reputable breeders. I hope all that hear our story will first contact the AKC and local Dog Rescue societies as all those with whom I spoke have offered a plethora of valuable information. As for Gus, he is home now and we will bury him under a tree that we will plant in his memory this spring. We have contacted Molly at Oakridge Acres and given her the chance to do the "right" thing and offer restitution. No reply has yet been received. We will continue to share our story in hopes that Gus' legacy will help save future puppies and teach people how to find reputable and trustworthy breeders. Sincerely, Gina |
| Gina, I hope thqt someday soon you will have the joy of a sheepie in your life once again. HUGS!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Oak Ridge Acres wrote: my 13 children have a big part in helping to socialize the pups.
Holy cow! The sheeps are either the happiest dogs in the land or absolutely exhausted from all the activity. Patch was a return to the breeder - the breeder, for reasons unknown, dumped her in a kill shelter. I always say that their "trash" is my wonderful, lovable, bouncy, fun, beautiful, fluffball "treasure!" She is also a therapy dog - one of the best with many requests for visits. Rescue is wonderful - Patch is living proof. |
| I have had experience with this place. We, at first, went there looking for an OES puppy. I was not impressed with the conditions, although the parents looked pretty healthy and the puppies were cute. By the way, her adopted children are quite wonderful!
Later I found out that she had "rescued" the parents and an entire litter of Bearded Collies. They had been at her kennel for 2 1/2 months and were 4 months old at this time. We agreed to rescue (bought) 2 of the male puppies. We found out that the entire litter had been kept in a cage before Molly took them but she kept them in a fenced pen at all times for 2 1/2 months at her farm. When I took our puppies to the vet the day we brought them home, they were both covered with fleas. One of my puppies was starving and half the size of the other. They both had eye and ear infections. They were unsocialized and afraid of everyone and everything. Molly told me they were AKC registered and she'd send the papers. Obviously, I never received them. Both of my Beardies have recovered physically now but one of them continues to be extremely fearful out of our home and yard. He has also been diagnosed with Lupus and they both had chronic ear infections for the first 6 months. I did contact a Beardie Rescue and they rescued the remaining puppies and the parents. I am happy to say that both of my boys are the same size now and have beautiful, healthy coats. I attribute this to the Nutro Ultra All Natural Puppy food I keep them on along with fresh table food. |
| Hi, I really am disgusted with this whole forum.. I sold those beardies to the lady in the previous post. One was NOT half the size of the other. I did rescue the parents and the puppies, they very well might have had flee's. They certainly did not live in a cage for any of the time they were here. We spent alot of time trying to help those puppies adjust to people and I was totally open with the family that took them home as far as who these puppies were and the kind of start they had had. When we got them they had never been handled at all by people and we did our very best to love them up! I did tell her they were AKC registered and would send the papers as soon as I got my hands on them. I never could get the people I got the dogs from to release any paper work and I wasn't willing to go thru legal chanels. The woman in the previous post did not as far as I know contact a Beardie rescue, at least we were never contacted by one and we found homes for each and every one of those puppies and their parents. I love my dogs, I'm tired of the bashing. I have eye cerfs on each of my sheepies, we are in the process of completing the ofa's on each of them. We are preparing one of our puppies for the show ring and are very hopeful for his success, he is a beauty! I would love for the lady to tell me what about our conditions she wasn't impressed by. The internet has the potential to be a wonderful resource but frankly it hasn't done me any favors. I am trying very hard to be a responsible breeder. My dogs are healthy and loved and doing wonderfully. I'm sure I have not perfected everything but we are doing a good job and will continue to do our best to better the breed. I welcome any of you to come, visit, talk, look at our dogs and our puppies. I am totally confidant that you will be pleased with what you see. To the woman in the previous post.....I really liked you, I prayed for you and your Granddaughter, my heart ached for your situation. I don't understand why you would come on line and tell lies about me and my family and my dogs. I'm sorry that you feel like I wasn't all you thought I should be and if you thought the conditions here were so bad why in the world did you buy two puppies? I'm hurt by your accusations although I don't imagine that you care. |
Quote: One of my puppies was starving and half the size of the other.
Got some puppy pictures you can share? It will either prove or disprove this. |
| Hello all,
I just found this forum recently and also recently purchased a puppy from Oak Ridge Acres. Molly was wonderful throughout the whole process and was very nice in accomidating my requests. I purchased a puppy from her that was super healthy and super friendly. He warmed right up to us! He has a great temperment and when we took him to the vet that said that his hips looked great and he is very healthy. He did have hook worms, and a few ticks on him which is very understandable. We took him to the dog park to play and he loved everyone! Not just the dogs but every single person he saw he went up to and just loved and demanded attention! A very happy and socialized dog! Kudos to Molly for all her hard work! I would get another pup from her any day! |
guest wrote: Hello all,
. He did have hook worms, and a few ticks on him which is very understandable. |
| If you recently got your dog, how do you know the hips are excellent? I thought you can't tell in OES' until they are 2. |
| Like getting TICKS is a good thing? |
Quote: He did have hook worms, and a few ticks on him which is very understandable.
Only if you have very low expectations. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Well said! I don't think worms and ticks are really acceptable in any situation. |
guest wrote: Hello all,
I just found this forum recently and also recently purchased a puppy from Oak Ridge Acres. Molly was wonderful throughout the whole process and was very nice in accomidating my requests. I purchased a puppy from her that was super healthy and super friendly. He warmed right up to us! He has a great temperment and when we took him to the vet that said that his hips looked great and he is very healthy. He did have hook worms, and a few ticks on him which is very understandable. We took him to the dog park to play and he loved everyone! Not just the dogs but every single person he saw he went up to and just loved and demanded attention! A very happy and socialized dog! Kudos to Molly for all her hard work! I would get another pup from her any day!Sounds to me like one big happy family; an ill informed breeder and ill informed purchasers. One benefit of the Internet is the inability of unscrupulous people to hide. |
guest wrote: when we took him to the vet that said that his hips looked great and he is very healthy. He did have hook worms, and a few ticks on him which is very understandable.
Well I hope you end up with a healthy long lived dog. I am flabbergasted that the pup came to you full of hook worms and ticks on the dog , no that is not understandable at all and very preventable.
You say the hips are good, well I hope so for the sake of your dog in later life they are, no one can tell for sure how the hips are until the dog is two years of age and they have been x-rayed and evaluated. Less chance of bad HD too if the parents have been evaluated & screened before breeding with them. Hope all goes well with your new pup. |
wjsVT wrote: Sounds to me like one big happy family; an ill informed breeder and ill informed purchasers.
One benefit of the Internet is the inability of unscrupulous people to hide. I understand saying Molly isn't informed as much as she should have been about breeding ...before breeding... but I don't see how how labeling her as "unscrupulous" is accurate from what we have read of these one-sided opinions or from Molly's responses. |
| Joah,
How many times does someone have to post that they got a dog that was sick or with parasites both internal and external and then have the breeder come on here and tell us how we're all evil people before you stop giving out the benefit of the doubt? I have had private conversations with this breeder several times, and all she wants to do is lash back. Let her lash. |
| BTW she has a user account here for the last 2 1/2 years. She's never posted with it. |
| Hi again,
Ron, I don't think I have had several conversations with you, only one email I believe, and how can you say I have had an account here and never posted, I have posted on this one place a number of times. I apoligize for saying this forum disgusts me, I didn't attack anybody and I only said it once, I feel like I am the enemy here and I don't like it much. I take good care of my dogs and I am doing hips and eyes....I only breed for the betterment of the breed, I am in the process of completing the requirements for becoming a member of oesca....I don't know what else I can do. Before the tragedy with Gus, I wormed my puppies at 4,6 and 8 weeks. Since Gus my vet has told me to start at 2 weeks and so we now worm at 2,4,6 and 8 weeks. We do live in the country on 40 acres and my dogs do get an occasional woodtick. If somebody knows how to prevent that from ever happening please please please tell me! I use frontline, is there something better. I hate that you guys all think I'm some kind of monster that is indiscrimanately breeding dogs with no concern for anything but myself, I wasn't kidding, any of you are welcome to come and visit. I don't have anything to hide. I would appreciate any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and suggestions if you think I am doing things wrong. I would love to be able to get to a place where you guys had some positive thoughts about me and my dogs.........again, i'm sorry for saying the forum disgusted me, it wasn't a personal assault on anyone, just me reacting. I was feeling insulted and misunderstood and a little angry to I guess. Who wants to post and be involved in an arena where everybody thinks your some kind of a monster? Molly |
Molly Gaffney wrote: Hi again,
I apoligize for saying this forum disgusts me, I didn't attack anybody and I only said it once, I feel like I am the enemy here and I don't like it much. I take good care of my dogs and I am doing hips and eyes....I only breed for the betterment of the breed, I am in the process of completing the requirements for becoming a member of oesca....I don't know what else I can do. Molly If this is true, then I am impressed. There have been many times that folks on this forum have expressed opinions and pointed out to certain breeders their irresponsible practices, and those breeders have just gone away angry...Not interested in learning or changing. But you keep coming back, and I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe that you really want to do things right. I am listening... |
| I have used Frontline and it doesn't help much with ticks. Try Advantix.
hate 'em...hate 'em....hate'em...hate 'em...hate 'em...hate 'em...hate 'em...hate 'em...hate 'em.... |
| That's wonderful to hear Molly!!! |
Molly Gaffney wrote: Ron, I don't think I have had several conversations with you, only one email I believe, and how can you say I have had an account here and never posted, I have posted on this one place a number of times. I will forward or resend the emails we had. They were from 2 1/2 years ago. I set up your account for you at that time! (I said you hadn't used that account to make a post)
I'll resend the info and I'll refrain from publishing the username here at this time just in case you'd like to change the username. No hard feelings here. |
| Isn't Yuki from Oak Ridge? http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=2239 |
| Sorry.. are you asking or stating? I'm confused since you posted a link that shows she is
I wouldn't get another dog from her. I wanted to for a long while but some things happened that I did not post but have discussed in chat that made me upset. I still think it's great that she is learning from her mistakes and becoming a better breeder. She and her family are super. Yuki has the bestest personality in the world too. I tell the truth to the several people who have emailed me from these threads. |
| I guess I was stating.
I was just wondering why you hadn't commented from experience, because you have had experience with her. I thought you had a good experience, and that was why you were giving her the benefit of the doubt, as Ron had questioned why... and thought maybe Ron forgot you do have experience with the breeder. So, you did not have a good experience, but prefer not to discuss details. That's fair, and very diplomatic. |
Quote: I was just wondering why you hadn't commented from experience,
because I have in the past in other threads asking about oakridgeacres. Since my dog isn't sick, there's nothing I felt I had or wanted to add. |
| Now I'm really confused. Maybe threads have been removed or I suck at searching, because I only found a glowing recommendation. |
| What exactly is your point Steph... don't beat around the bush.. if you have a reason for pointing out the fact that Yuki came from there.. by all means tell everyone...all of a sudden out the blue.. you post that Yuki is from there....what is the purpose... |
I'm so glad I got more than 1 pm that read and see it like I did.  |
| There is no purpose. Ron reminded us that the original poster requested anyone with experience to comment. Very few actually did post from experience, then I had searched for the kennel name and saw that J had experience, seemed to be all good and wondered why she didn't share her experience. That is all. Nothing fishy, and no bush. I guess I should've PM'd her and just asked.
Sorry. |
| IMO a PM would of been more appropriate...but then that's JUST my opinion. |
| Molly has made sure Yuki was healthy and doing well since I got her several years ago.
I'm not going to defend a subject I have no idea about or experience in... I never visited her place or had my dog get sick or die. AND I didn't have Yuki when the original poster posted. |
| Well,
Here I am again, I'm not going to quit and go away, although I have to admit I have wanted to more than once in the last couple of months! Thanks for the headsup on the Frontline versus advantix, does anyone else have an opionion? We live in the country in Western Wisconsin, my kids get ticks everytime they go outside this time of year. It's just part of living here. Someone told me to buy some guinea hens and put them in the yard, they supposedly will eat all the ticks. I certainly know ticks are bad but almost impossible to avoid here, for dogs or humans. Molly |
| Here are a few things that might reduce ticks...
Widen trails through woods (to 6 feet). Remove brushpiles. Keep turfgrass mowed. Thin out low shrub vegetation in woods. Because of the serious health problems that ticks can cause, as a last resort you might consider a pesticide if you have a big tick problem. You have to weigh the pros and cons of using one though. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nasd/docs/d000901-d0 ... 00960.html |
| Just a quick note to mention that I live in SE MN, so roughly the same geographic region as Molly. My dogs have occasionally picked up a tick in my yard and/or neighborhood if I wasn't quick enough in the spring to start tick and flea prevention. BTW, I live in the dead center of my smallish city and my yard is not full of underbrush or overgrown vegetation. Springtime is notoriously high risk time for ticks, especially the juvenile nymphs who are very hungry for a blood meal this time of year.
I don't know Molly or her kennel or any of the people involved, outside of this forum. But ticks do happen. Even to very good animal owners. And--as Ron can attest--to really good people, too. |
| Hi,
All good advice and all being implemented. We do have a logging road thru our 40 and it is kept wide enough for the truck to drive thru, at least 6 feet, closer to 8. I am hesitant about the whole pesticide thing, we live a very short distance from the St Croix River which is a National Park and I am not a big fan of anything chemical, we drink the ground water! Once we are past the initial rush of spring ticks it isn't much of a problem unless you go deeper into the woods but it is a huge issue for all of us this time of the year. Lymes disease is a huge issue here for people as well as animals and it is almost impossible as far as I can tell to totally eliminate the ticks this time of year. Anybody know any holistic type of approaches to this issue? Molly |
| You might contact your local extension office or a lawn service to see if an effective organic tick control is available. Do some research to make sure whatever is recommended is actually safe though- don't assume that "natural" or "organic" means it's safe.
I located a product that indicates it's organic. The same warning above applies but also you need to make sure it's truly effective. No sense wasting money on something that doesn't actually work. Maybe use it in areas where the adults/kids/dogs frequent the most. http://cleanairgardening.com/fleatickrepell.html |
| I'm sure if hip clearances were done on your "breeding stock" the results would be back by now. Molly, would you give us the full registered names of your males and females? If your intentions were good we could all see hip clearances on www.offa.org |
| Oh yes! Please share the news
I see you've got a sheepie-boy on Craigslist so this will be good information for anyone looking to adopt him. It may help you to home him faster too. (By the way, he looks like a very sweet boy.) I never knew you could research OES hips online so easily
Probably good my focus is on rescue... |
| Just a quick note:
We planned to purchase an OES from Oak Ridge. Initially no deposit was required, but closer to the pick up date, suddenly one was needed. It was only $200.00, that's ok. We asked for Vet Check and updated de worming...this was going to come out of the deposit Timing is everything and we were transferred to another province, and we made the HARD decision that it wasn't in the best interest of the pup to stress him out and move him twice in such a short amount of time. Molly said she would return our deposit to us, less the vet fees. To date: No deposit return. She reads our emails, but doesn't respond to them. Reputation is everything. I hope that this dog got a great home. $200 is a small price to pay to learn about someone's integrity. LS |
| I guess my first question is, was the deposit "refundable" or "nonrefundable"? A seller does have the right to take a non refundable deposit when selling something. Whether you put a deposit on a puppy or a car the purpose of the deposit is for the seller to "hold" that item for you. This means that the seller can no longer attempt to sell that item.
As in the case of a house, a depoist is often "not refundable" which means if you change your mind you forfeit your deposit. So, in this case or in any case where a deposit is paid the status of the deposit should be clearly stated in the contract. i'm sorry you are out the money, next time make sure the terms are clearly stated. |
| yup, I agree, If you change your mine you loss your money. Only refund I can think o,f is that if they do not have enough pups born and some, if not the sex you want. |
| Fair's fair...that's for sure. BUT....we made arrangements with her regarding the return of it. She agreed.
She didn't say no...she said when she got the vet bill, she would deduct the charges...fair enough. My wife is a Vet Tech....when was the last time you left the vet without having to pay for...or get a copy of the charges.... NEVER!! Beware the "For Profit...Breeder". LS |
Canadian Lover of OES wrote: Initially no deposit was required, but closer to the pick up date, suddenly one was needed. It was only $200.00, that's ok. We asked for Vet Check and updated de worming...this was going to come out of the deposit Molly said she would return our deposit to us, less the vet fees. To date: No deposit return. She reads our emails, but doesn't respond to them. $200 is a small price to pay to learn about someone's integrity. LS I agree totally with you, you were shafted, In Mollys words above she would return the deposit less the vet fees. Sorry this happened, just not right. I hope your move goes well and completely understandable you putting the dog first and cancelling after finding out you are moving. Best wishes with the future and when settled and if you do go ahead later and get an OES pup then do seek one from a breeder that is referred by an OES club. |
| If she agreed to return the deposit then she most certainly should. |
| I just this whole thread, and all I can say is, "Wow!" My head is spinning! |
debcram wrote: I just this whole thread, and all I can say is,
"Wow!" My head is spinning! Mine too... |
| In a few days I'll tell you all about my experience with them. |
| I cannot wait... |
| Canadian Lover of OES what was your puppie's name, or at lwast what was he called in the ad? |
| His name was to be Cozbee....
email me (edit: by clicking the e-mail button below) if you wish |
Oak Ridge Acres wrote: Hello,
Got the link to this forum from someone I was talking to that was looking for a puppy. I was a little stunned at the nastiness of some of the things written about me by people I don't know and have never talked to. BUT....I did learn some things so for that I guess I should be grateful. Although I have loved and owned oes for a number of years I am relatively new to the internet. Obviously my websight, which is only a couple of months old, needs some more information. I certainly would not consider myself a "back yard breeder" but I guess that is up for debate. My dogs do spend sometime in the backyard, although more often in my car with me or on my bed, and I do breed them once a year....I didn't think that was a problem, apparently you do. As far as being able to raise my children and also dogs, don't you think that was a little uncalled for? You don't even know me. I'm sure there are plenty of breeders who will be glad to sell you a puppy for 1000.00 and you can certainly buy one from them. Yes my dogs have had there hips done, and thyroid checked, I admit I haven't gotten there eyes checked as of yet. They are both beautiful family pets, we do not show, they live in our home with us, they are part of our family, they go on vacation with us....and my 13 children have a big part in helping to socialize the pups. I wasn't aware that it was bad for them to be played with by many children, you should tell me what book you read that in. Anyway, if you are interested you certainly can email me and I will be glad to give you the name and phone number of our vet. I seriously don't understand the openly vindictive attack on me, or anyone else that you don't know. nobody has to buy a puppy from me, and the people who have are all quite happy with them. I would gladly take a puppy that has been spayed or neutered back into our home and find it a great family than to just let them leave here and loose track all together. Why do you find that suspicious? I apologize if I have insulted anyone, but I just can't figure out why whoever that was was so nasty. Could someone please clue me in? You state that you breed QUALITY dogs, on what is that based whenyou do not show your dogs and get EXPERT opinions on the QUALITY of your dogs |
Quote: I seriously don't understand the openly vindictive attack I can understand this as most of the OES end up in rescue come from breeders who just breed dogs for whatever reason and not responsible breeders who do a lot of research and shows etc opposed to the ones from reputable OESCA breeders |
| In 2007, my father and I both purchased puppies from Molly. Amanda's mom is Ophelia and Ollie's mom is Patches. Ophelia and Patches are sisters and the father is Shakespeare. Amanda lives with my dad; she was born in November of 2006 and is very beautiful and sweet. She is very healthy and goes on long walks with my dad regularly. Ollie lives with me and he is full of energy. He was born in January of 2007. He gets along well with cats and dogs. He is very social. This past winter we couldn't walk outside daily due to the icy, cold weather so he learned to walk on the treadmill in November of 2008. He has not had any health problems. He looks a lot like his mom. My sister-in-law also purchased a pup from Oak Ridge Acres in July of 2007. Siobon is Amanda's sister since they have the same mom. She also is doing well and is very healthy and social with other animals. Oak Ridge Acres really cares about their animals and who they are placed with. This is one breeder who is not in it for the money but for the love of the breed! Whenever I needed anything from Molly she was right there to accomodate me. She doesn't just take the money and run like other breeders I have dealt with. Anyone who decides on making a sheepdog an addition to their family would be very blessed to have any one of her pups. |
I could be wrong, but I think our dogs have the same parents. I could be imagining it though b/c I'm horrible w/names, but that just sounds familiar.  Anyway, I would agree that the breeder is there all the time and always responding to any questions or concerns. She has always been a very nice person, and I believe loves all her dogs.
But.... meaning well doesn't always mean you are going about the approach of breeding sound dogs correctly. I think that's what is trying to be said. I can tell you as someone who HAS a dog from her that they are NOT structurally correct at all (i'm not sure if I'm wording that correctly), and I wouldn't be surprised if BOTH of our dogs have hip/joint issues in the coming years. Both our dogs are young. ETA: I feel guilty not saying this EACH time this thread comes up, but... I know my husband would want another dog from them, but also knows it's not right so would listen to what he has learned from here. Yuki's personality and good looks are unbeatable /his words  |
| This woman is possibly the most careing and responcible person i have ever met. I was actually visiting their little puppies the day the Burnet Sherif came, they found NOTHING wrong. They checked the kennels, puppies, backyard, and intereviewed several children. If that puppy got worms, it happend because of you, NOT because of Molly... I'm sorry your puppy died. I'm also sorry that you'd be selfish and inconsiderate enough to post something like this on the internet. I feel you could and should have handeled it better than you did... If you'd like to chat with me one on one, my e-mail is gaffbillie@hotmail.com billie SadMom wrote: Oakridge Acres is NOT okay. DO NOT PURCHASE A PUPPY FROM THIS BREEDER!!! I purchased a puppy from this breeder on Decemeber 20, 2006; just a day shy of his 6-week birthday. The next day I took the little guy to an emergency vet clinic where he was admitted and hooked up to an IV. After a slew of tests, x-rays, both a plasma and an albumin (sp?) transfusion and an ultra sound, he went into surgery. He didn't make it. He was in our care for a mere 30 hours and in our lives for only 84 but will forever be in our hearts. The cause was WORMS. Our little puppy had more worms than 5 different vets had ever before seen in a dog. The worse part of this awful situation is that it was 100% PREVENTABLE had Molly, the breeder, been de-worming the parents and the puppies starting at 2 weeks, this wouldn't have happened. I am working with the Burnett County Sherriff's Department, Animal Services and the states Public Health Department. I repeat: DO NOT PURCHASE A PUPPY FROM THIS BREEDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Maggies father is from this breeder, and we all know how we have been working with her hip dysplasia. I will say this though, Maggie is beautiful and the sweetest thing on 4 paws. |
| I thought this person was no longer breeding? If by chance she is and someone wants to do further research my suggestion would be to contact the head of Minnesota/Midwest OES rescue and ask her about her experiences. Kristine |
LolasMama wrote: Maggies father is from this breeder, and we all know how we have been working with her hip dysplasia. Is she from a breeder in California? I saw ads for litters from B+B advertised in March and October 2010 and that says the stud dog is "Oak Ridge Acres". But there could be others using stud dogs from Oak Ridge Acres. If Maggie had x-rays and vet confirmed Hip Dysplasia, please notify the breeder in writing so the breeder can take the necessary steps to reevaluate their breeding program. Living with a dog with Hip Dysplasia, we both know we don't want others to suffer with this horrid condition if at all possible. SadMom wrote: I purchased a puppy from this breeder on Decemeber 20, 2006; just a day shy of his 6-week birthday. The next day I took the little guy to an emergency vet clinic where he was admitted and hooked up to an IV. billie wrote: If that puppy got worms, it happend because of you, NOT because of Molly... I know you're likely just supporting a friend but #1 I don't think a puppy can get a deadly case of worms within 24 or even 48 hours. A veterinarian can provide accurate info on this as can proof of the date the puppy was picked up and the date of emergency vet care. According to the owner (the puppy's name was Gus- viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11622&hilit=gus+worms ), this 6 WEEK old puppy was at the emergency vet the day after bringing him home. #2 A puppy misses out on important dog-to-dog life lessons if removed from mom and littermates before 8 weeks of age. #3 Was the buyer's money willingly returned when requested? |
| My the email address, I am pretty sure he is a relative who ran into this. I think she stopped breeding too. ...and I do believe the breeder is a good person with a tremendous heart ...just went in not knowing how much harm can be caused [to the dogs] by breeding and not having the knowledge many good breeders do. I know I always wanted/intended on breeding my own dog ...and never thought I was a bad person or was doing it for the wrong reasons. Nor did I think those telling me I had to do this, this, and that first were right [until I had been on here long enough]. Who knows... maybe she stopped because she learned it was a lot more work than she originally intended and/or felt horrible about having dogs that were getting sick as they got older or got sick due to being let go too soon (have no idea what went on with that story). I don't think we'll ever know unless she told us. |
| No, Maggie was born in Oregon. She wasn't from a breeder per say, she was from an oops litter. I am still not convinced she has HD. I will have her re-evaluated at 2. I tend to think that when she splayed herself at 6 months, she pulled her inner thigh muscles. I have xrays, but they are subject to interpretation. |
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