Panda's puppies!
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| WOOHOO!!!! I'm so excited. Can't wait to find out how many more there are ...and how mommy is doing! |
| You must be thrilled to be having a new litter ! Good luck on a happy ,healthy speedy delivery and healthy pups . |
| Hooray!!!!!!!!!
Hope the rest goes quickly and safely for all! Thanks for keeping us posted. |
You can thank Jill for locking her thread. She was probably going for a forum record 
Keep us posted!!! 
KB |
| Girl |
| Oh YES, a play-by-play!
Go Panda, Go Panda!  |
YAY Panda  keep up the good work  |
| I hope everything is going OK.
Hang in there Panda, and of course you too Stacey and Kim! |
| Keep the updates coming. I hope the new mom is doing okay.
By the way - it looks like Ron's prediction is wrong after all.  There was obviously more than one puppy (and I am assuming it wasn't gigantic). |
| 8 more to go Panda!!! Hang in there Stacey and Kim!!! |
Two beautiful new puppies You're doing great Panda!  |
| So far she has had 6 pups...
3 boys, 3 girls, but one girl was stillborn  |
| awwwwwwwwwwww so sorry little girl.
I TOLD you tonight/today!! Ali |
Willowsprite wrote: So far she has had 6 pups...
3 boys, 3 girls, but one girl was stillborn for the poor stillborn one.
I hope Panda and the other 5 are doing well. |
| Panda is doing a great job and so sorry to hear of the one little stillborn. Best wishes for Panda, her new family and of course her household slaves |
| I am guessing there might still be more...so sorry about the little girl. |
| We think there is one more, maybe more than that...Panda is still pushing!
As for the stillborn one, Stacey didn't even let me see her  |
| how long did she work on her? I've worked on them for 30 minutes and then had them come around...
I'm so sorry..... any reason?? Did you have dopram or brandy handy? (for the whelp not you). Try the pin in the nose? Was she stuck for some time after placenta detached? Sorry for the questions............. |
Willowsprite wrote: So far she has had 6 pups...
3 boys, 3 girls, but one girl was stillborn Ronaldo Veronica Ronny Sharon Roland Rhonda |
| I am sorry that you lost one small one.
Terrific about the others; hope everything finishes smoothly. Thankyou for keeping us posted! |
| Hugs to Panda! Can't wait to hear the final count. |
| Good girl Panda
Whew what a night! We'll be thinking of you all |
| Well done Panda, what a clever girl. Sorry about the little one, she just wasnt meant to stay, looking forward to updates and photos.....xxx |
WizardMerlin wrote: ...We think there is one more, maybe more than
that...Panda is still pushing!... Congrats!!! PUPPIES!!!!!! Sorry about the one you lost!! When she goes out to pee, I'd take a light and watch to make sure she doesn't have the last one outside....... Pam (mouthypf) |
| Congrats on the new litter...sorry to hear about the new little angel.
Panda needs to have three more so my count will be right...off on the day though. I hope by now (4 am) all of you are having a restful night.
Please give Panda a big hug from us.  |
| Whoo-hooo!!! Puppies!!!! Way to go Panda!! I can't wait for the pictures!!!!!!!
(sorry to hear about the little one....) |
| Congrats to the new mommies |
| Yay Panda!
So sorry about the little girl. Good luck and best wishes with your new little pups. |
| Panda, great job, well done now hope you all get lots of rest |
| YIPPEE PANDA!!!! Great job. Congrats on your new pups! And in your hearts know, the little stillborn angel was needed somewhere else Can't wait for pictures! |
 Great job, Panda :yay:
So sorry you lost one of your precious pups |
| Great Job. Hope to get update when everyone wakes up. I hope all the mommies and babies are well. I'm sorry about the one that didn't make it. |
| Yeh Panda, congratulations on becoming a mummy!!
Big hugs to you all, and little hugs to the puppies. By the way if you now have no room for Stewie he can come and live with me and George |
| Woo hoo!!!
/Me is dancing! |
Ron wrote: Woo hoo!!! /Me is dancing!  I thought maybe you were still coming up with names containing RON 
But I'd pay to see a dancing Ron video |
bestdogsx4 wrote: But I'd pay to see a dancing Ron video Do we put it to the ugga chaka music? |
| Okay, but just remember that bell bottoms were in then.
I am "Gino." All the women want me, all the men want to BE me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnCyMiEMT8&fmt=18 |
| So what do I owe you Gino, I mean Ron |
| Congratulations to Panda on her babies, about time she popped.
Sorry for the loss of one, always hard, upsetting & sad.
So was the final count still the same or is there anymore surprises? Well done panda girl, rest up now sweetie and enjoy your new babies. Look forward to seeing photos of the new bubbas. Sheepie hugs to you all from us all here. |
| Hi,
Congrats to Panda and her family! I'm sorry about the little one that didn't make it. Marianne |
| Congrats to Panda and the rest of the gang I am so sorry for the loss of the other angel Keep us posted and post puppy pics |
| Yes, so soory you had to euthanize the little cleft palate puppy but Know you did the RIGHT thing eventually .......... hey ae so sweet but it is just the best thing to be done...........
Glad to know the rest are all healthy........ were all 3 girls cleft?? forgot what you told me. |
| Hows everyone doing today? |
Quote: Glad to know the rest are all healthy........ were all 3 girls cleft?? forgot what you told me.
I'm sorry to hear about the cleft pup or pups.
If any of the cleft pups are still with you, this information might be helpful... http://hennwood.tripod.com/cleft_pup_info.htm http://hennwood.tripod.com/id88.htm Anne was very helpful to both the breeder and me when Kaytee was born. Many people opt for corrective surgery... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Kaytee is a cleft pup that did not have surgery to correct the defect. The rule is dry food and water for life... Kaytee's defect allows her to eat other things and she's never had a URI to date but it is not a full mid-line cleft. If she gets wet food, we give it to her off a spoon that's flipped outside down. This isn't an option if it's a full mid-line cleft. Picture of her at birth- http://oesusa.com/Cleft-Palate-Puppy/Cl ... -Birth.jpg Pictures of her defect- http://www.oesusa.com/Kaytee/Kaytee1-4-05.jpg http://oesusa.com/Kaytee/CleftPalate3.jpg For some pups, the defect is too severe and euthanasia is kindest. Others will thrive. Their weight is much less than littermates because they must be tube fed for the first 4 weeks or until they reach about 2 pounds. http://oesusa.com/Kaytee/Kaytee.jpg In fact, the specialist that evaluated Kaytee told my husband and I she would only live about 6 weeks because he feared she had liver shunts... she was too small to test. We chose to adopt her anyway. Preventative meds are used while the pup is tub fed to help prevent inhalation pneumonia. They're then put on a tiny dry kibble and water at around 4 weeks/2 pounds. The water helps to clean out the opening in the roof of the mouth. Just info in case there are other special pups. |
| Jaci, adopting a special pup goes beyond a thank you. You're top notch!
Special needs adults and children have given me more than I could ever repay. I'm sure your pup has made a special impact in your lives. I agree that euthanizing is the best answer in some cases. And, at times, a few of us are humbled by having a special one in our lives. |
| Elissa explained that the cleft palate puppies had all passed away.
I'm very sorry, Stacey. Quote: Special needs adults and children have given me more than I could ever repay.
So you've been touched too, Dee Special pups are just as easy to
love... there comes a time when you forget they're any different. You just get so used to them being the way they are and making small adjustments in the way you do things. The other day Kaytee had come back to bed with us and she was doing this nose-in-the-air-licking thing. It doesn't happen very often but I knew she had something stuck. She had blueberries with her breakfast and had a big honkin' one stuck in her snozzle. Popped it out, she ate it and we went back to bed
I keep checking for new pictures of Panda's pups. We'll all be excited to follow them over the next several weeks. |
6Girls wrote: Elissa explained that the cleft palate puppies had all passed away.
I'm very sorry, Stacey. That is what I heard, not 100% sure on this. Stacey, I am very sorry. |
| Yes unfortunately there were two with cleft palates, one was stillborn, the other was born alive but was not thriving. After a trip to the vet we agreed it was kinder to euthanize. I had hoped to keep her alive, even though every breeder told me not to bother.... if she had shown signs that she could thrive I would have done what I could. However, I feel if too much intervention is needed sometimes it's just not meant to be, and not fair to make them suffer. |
| Stacey, I'm so sorry and sometimes it is very hard to be so kind. |
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| There are varying degrees of cleft palates... I'm certain you did the kindest thing. I applaud you for trying to save her!! Even Kaytee's doctors didn't have the same view on the extent of her birth defect. One thought it wasn't too bad and the other thought is was terrible and couldn't understand how the first vet could think this. There just wasn't a whole lot of experience out there with these pups because many are euthanized shortly after birth. Kaye Fletcher tube feed "Hope" (Kaytee) around the clock for over a month... it had to be exhausting. It was surprising too that Kayt's mother didn't reject her because of the defect- http://oesusa.com/Kaytee/Dinner.jpg It's not always the case.
I remember when we took Kayt down to MSU for a second opinion on her eyes... a doctor from the surgical department at MSU heard there was a 6 month old cleft palate pup in the building and brought along someone else and asked if they could examine her. They seemed quite excited for the opportunity to look her over and later a bit deflated we weren't going to have corrective surgery done. A former breeder once told me she tried to have a cleft palate surgically corrected in one of her pups and the surgery failed... twice. The pup was later euthanized. It can take multiple surgeries and it doesn't always have a happy ending. These were two pups were born with cleft palates. They made the news last year and had a bumpy ride in getting the birth defects surgically corrected. http://www.littleshelter.com/homepagest ... merlin.htm Euthanasia is the compassionate thing to do when the pup is not thriving or achieving that slow but steady weight gain. Doing the right think hurts sometimes though... |
| Jaci,
how wonderful you were able to work with this and THANK you for ALL the information! I wish more people were as open and unafraid to share information like this. We all need to learn in case it happens to us sometime. I know i would rather be prepared and KNOW WHAT to deal with at the time instead of being thrown to the wolves and wondering what i would supposed to be doing! Thanks again. Ali |
| Stacey
I am so sorry
There is never an easy answer..... You will all be in our thoughts. |
| You did the right thing Stacy. I'm proud of you.
Ali |
| I'm sorry to hear about the pups stacey! I didn't realize that could happen to dogs!!! |
Stacey, my heart goes out to you.  I'm sure this was one of the hardest things you've ever had to do, but you have to know that you did the right thing. I hope the rest of the pups are doing well. |
| We can only do our best, and make the best, most informed decision. Go easy on yourself. You did great. Huggle the other pups for me. |
The other pups are doing wonderfully,  gaining weight like crazy, Panda really is a great mom, she barely wants to leave them for potty time. But when she does go out...its my time for PUPPY BREATH  |
| Puppy breath is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you are incredibly busy, but can ya snap a few pictures for us? |
Here are a few from yesterday
And this one, though a bit blurry is the firstborn, a huge boy who is now a whopping 1lb 11oz  |
| Oh my...how precious!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| They are adorable...any names yet? |
| Awwww... they're beautiful Stacey
I love the picture of the first born. Smooches to the precious babies. |
| Just beautiful |
| They are SOOOOOOO cute!
Hugs to Panda and her babies. |
| I can almost smell the puppy breath from here! |
| How sweet they are |
Who is getting first born? Can I have him? I want to hear their names too! It almost seems easier to name each batch the same things as last time since they're changed later anyway. I think I said that last time too. This is coming from someone who will look at YUKI and say "that's 1 ....that's 2... " while she's out being bad on a walk as if she understands. All because I get confused to who I'm yelling at. I told my husband, "Ohhh bubby" [what I call lil j] in bed before ...more than once.  |
| They're adorable!!! Makes me want puppies!!!!! |
| Beautiful beautiful beautiful now youve gone and done it i want a puppy |
| People haven't chosen their pups yet, so not sure which ones are going where just yet.
As for names, we considered naming them all versions of Ron LOL but haven't done it. When I was planning on keeping a girl I was going to name her Piper, and I figured the whole litter would have names from the show Charmed, but now I'm not keeping the girl unless she turns out to be really, really spectacular. Otherwise their names I guess would be (in order of birth) Leo, Piper, Wyatt and Chris. |
Willowsprite wrote: As for names, we considered naming them all versions of Ron LOL but haven't done it.
We may never hear the end of it |
| I thought if we named them all variations of Ron then that would be it...we wouldnt have to hear about it anymore |
WizardMerlin wrote: I thought if we named them all variations of Ron then that would be it...we wouldnt have to hear about it anymore
You're kidding right? |
Willowsprite wrote: WizardMerlin wrote: I thought if we named them all variations of Ron then that would be it...we wouldnt have to hear about it anymore You're kidding right? You know me....ever hopeful lol |
Willowsprite wrote: As for names, we considered naming them all versions of Ron LOL but haven't done it. Willowsprite wrote: their names I guess would be (in order of birth) Leo, Piper, Wyatt and Chris.  |
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