Getting older OES HELP
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| 18 months is definately "salvagable". You need to find a very good trainer who can help you one on one with positive reinforcement training techniques. It would be very difficult for any of us to give you specific techniques without knowing the dog. But there are dog behavioralist who can help you figure out the best way to train your pup.
GOOD LUCK! |
| Do you have young children in your home? That's a HUGE consideration here, since it would be good if you didn't need to rehome him again.
edit: Rehome the dog, that is! |
| Chauncey's first trainer was a GSD trainer recommened by our vet. He was 12 weeks old, after one 3 hour session she said he was the most stubborn, untrainable puppy she has ever met.
We didn't give up, decided against another professional, learned much from this website, and now have a dog that as maturation sat in has become a wonderful sheepie. I'm convinced they are a breed of their own. I'm now at the point where I'd like just for the heck of it take Chaunce to obedience. We are lucky enough to have Peaceable Paws just a few miles from us. We will be starting soon. Please keep in mind they are late bloomers. Chaunce was well over 18 mos until he grew into himself. |
| Where in MI are you? |
| Hi,
One of my boys, Panda, (pictured in my avatar) arrived at my home with issues. One being you could not take anything out of his mouth without fear of being bit. CD's, sweaters, dishcloths, virtually anything he grabbed was frantically shredded. Panda had never been inside a home before and was 3 years of age. Here's how I handled it. I didn't give chase, no attempt to retrieve the item as that would cause more stress. Instead, I remained calm and "TRADED" him the item I wanted for something he would value more, such as a kibble. Using the words, "drop it" at the same time. While distracted I merely picked up the item and walked away. Over time, just using the words "drop it" brought the wanted response. That was four years ago and I no longer have problems with him regarding any of these issues. He's also no longer food aggressive - although, since I have three male dogs I do feed them in seperate rooms to avoid confrontations. Only because my eldest dog eats so slowly and is passive that the others would eat his food before he was finished. I also have numerous other animals in my home and simply it's easiest for me this way. Mouthing can also be dealt with by a firm no and immediately placing a wanted item such as chew toy in their mouth followed by lots of praise. Sometimes it's not enough to tell them what's not acceptable but show them what the accepted behavior is. Chew toy...praise, fingers, arms off limits - they eventually "get it". Once they trust you and view you as alpha you can pick up the food dish, play with the food and replace it back. However, doing so you must be careful that doggie trust you implicately as lowering your face down close to theirs before you trust them 100% is risky as well. I wanted to make sure that there was never a chance he would be possesive of food around humans. 4 years and my boy is extremely well behaved and 99% trust worthy. I still continue to always be on quard nonetheless due to his former abusive background. I trust him with the smallest of kittens, bunnies and children and leave him uncrated in my home while at work and nothing is touched. It is possible to desensitize and retrain with work and consistency. Ron, brought out a good point regarding children. I know myself, that while Panda was very sweet in many ways I would also have found it difficult if I had young children in the home in order to be consistent and retrain him. It would have been too risky and sadly it's usually the dog that pays the price. I wish you all the luck and please don't hesitate to post again as we are all here to help. Marianne |
My youngest daughter is nine, 2 boys 12 and 13 and a 16 yr who is never around. They have been around a rescued German Shepherd with aggresion problems. I am tasking the 13 yr old with me, to see how the dog does with him. I guess i was wondering if oes aggression issues could compare to a GSD, They all seem like big fuzzy babies to me.  We have been looking for a dog for months. I love puppies, but really would prefer to skip the problems of the puppy stage. Besides when you get an older dog you know what your getting. I am going to visit him and won't take him if there is conflict. I will be his third home, not counting the breeder. I want one a can keep fur-ever. My big fuzzy baby.  |
Chauncey wrote: Chauncey's first trainer was a GSD trainer recommened by our vet. He was 12 weeks old, after one 3 hour session she said he was the most stubborn, untrainable puppy she has ever met.
That is too funny!!! She thought you could train a 12 week old OES puppy for three hours? Try three minutes twelve times a day to actually have an impact. Good for you for not taking her word for it and for finding someone else. First of all, GSDs, at least those purposefully bred (for one reason or another - temperaments vary greatly depending on that purpose) are bred for biddability. Once upon a time they used to be very common in obedience rings and even professional capacities which actually required of them to care what the human thinks they should or should not be doing. Your average OES puppy is not burdened in this way. Though there are exceptions, many can pretty much make any trainer who is only truly used to and comfortable with the easily trained breeds cry. They may both be herding breeds, but there the similarity ends. The GSDs tend to be more serious, even dignified dogs. Sort of the antithesis of our breed. I remember one GSD rescue person who spent 30 minutes in the company of Sybil and I in a busy waiting room while we were comparing notes and finally said: "I mean no disrespect, but thank God I don't have to live with your breed!". 
Kristine |
| Kristine!!
don't be so hard on the OES breed A GSD will train because of the drive and the willingness to please. An OES wonders whats in it for me?? and if it is good , maybe I will follow the command. GSD's stay alert and OES's have a waxing and waning attention deficit disorder..........I can say this because I rescue both breeds and have one of each  You are so right someone who trains GSD's would run crying while training an OES but the trainer I have (which Gunniss needs to revisit soon!) had Danes and an OES does not faze him!!!!
Cindy |
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